Rockwell - "but what about Godwin's"

Alan Browne wrote:
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"Me" wrote in message ...
Ken's really on form today.

"As an historical note, Leica has been making 35mm cameras and lenses since the 1920s.

Nikon never made cameras until the late 1940s, or after after World War II. Prior to and during WWII,
Nikon instead specialized in making instruments for mass destruction: long-range rangefinders for
artillery, military binoculars, especially large ones used on ships, and aircraft bombsights. Nikon's
instruments were instrumental in Japan's terrorist attacks against America at Pearl Harbor
Which ones - they didn't use artillery, didn't sail closer than 200 miles and you hardly need a precision
sight to dive bomb something as large as a battleship in broad daylight!

Bombing ships, regardless of size, was never easy, bomb sight or not.

In fact, the US Navy maintained that it could not be
done in the shallow waters of Pearl Harbor. They left
the ships in the harbor unprotected from aerial
torpedoes, and as a result the Japanese attack was
extremely successful.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

On 2009-09-15 13:28:47 -0700, DG said:

C J Campbell wrote:
Nikon has never figured out that people want high ISO, either.


Who has better high ISO than Nikon?

I was not clear, sorry. Nikon's point & shoots have terrible high ISO
performance compared to the competition. The D3 and D700, however, are
probably the best high ISO cameras made right now.


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2009-09-15 14:33:30 -0700, "Neil Harrington" said:

Nikon's top of the line DSLRs still do not have sensor dust removal.

Really? The cheaper ones do. I have no idea about what's happening at the
top of the line.

Crazy, isn't it?

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2009-09-15 14:37:51 -0700, Wolfgang Weisselberg
said:


Nikon dumped their MF camera while Leica came out with the S2.

You cannot focus manually with Nikon? Really?

Sorry. Medium format, not manual focus.

Note that Nikon cameras cannot be used as game consoles or
cars either.

-Wolfgang

Dang. I really wanted to play World of Warcraft on my D3X, too. Maybe
the next version.

I think you missed my point -- I am saying that a lot of Rockwell's
complaints are imaginary or misplaced. I do think Nikon can do better,
especially with the point & shoots.

Nikon is due to announce some new lenses. I hope they are lenses that
actually fill some holes in the lineup, not just another DX format
mid-range zoom.

As I said, I will give up my D3X when Leica comes out with something
that will do the job better.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"DG" wrote in message
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"Neil Harrington" wrote:

"DG" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote:





So while Ken seems to have gone off the deep end to the point where his
hatred of Nikon seems pathological, I would say that Nikon is certainly
accommodating him by providing him a lot to complain about.


There isn't much to speak about in the Nikon world. D300s? Who
cares? D5000? yawn... I do like the 35mm f/1.8 and recommend it to
everyone. It's cheap and good.

If you can get one. I've had my order in for a while and no word yet on
when
it will come.

Of course I could get one right now if I wanted to pay extra, but I'm
against doing that on principle and also as a tightwad.


I walked in the local camera store. They had it. Bought it. Cost
~$220. Are they going much cheaper than that?

List price is $199.95, I believe -- there's no list price on NikonUSA, but
I've seen that price mentioned and both Amazon and Adorama have had it
listed at that for some time now, though neither has had it in stock. Where
it's been in stock it's been selling for higher prices -- the $220 you paid
is about the best I've seen.

Just now checked Amazon, where I placed the order, and it's IN STOCK! YAY! I
guess they have quite a load of orders for it, because it says mine is
"being prepared for shipment" with no actual shipping date listed and I've
received no e-mail notification. But it won't be long now. I am really
looking forward to it.

Adorama still has it listed as "on allocation" -- place an order and they
"will ship when it comes in."

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:33:30 -0400, "Neil Harrington"
wrote:

Nikon's top of the line DSLRs still do not have sensor dust removal.

Really? The cheaper ones do. I have no idea about what's happening at the
top of the line.

The D300 has ultrasonic dust removal. So too, presumably, do the
higher order cameras.



Eric Stevens

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:53:40 -0800, (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

Alan Browne wrote:
R. Mark Clayton wrote:
"Me" wrote in message ...
Ken's really on form today.

"As an historical note, Leica has been making 35mm cameras and lenses since the 1920s.

Nikon never made cameras until the late 1940s, or after after World War II. Prior to and during WWII,
Nikon instead specialized in making instruments for mass destruction: long-range rangefinders for
artillery, military binoculars, especially large ones used on ships, and aircraft bombsights. Nikon's
instruments were instrumental in Japan's terrorist attacks against America at Pearl Harbor
Which ones - they didn't use artillery, didn't sail closer than 200 miles and you hardly need a precision
sight to dive bomb something as large as a battleship in broad daylight!

Bombing ships, regardless of size, was never easy, bomb sight or not.

In fact, the US Navy maintained that it could not be
done in the shallow waters of Pearl Harbor. They left
the ships in the harbor unprotected from aerial
torpedoes, and as a result the Japanese attack was
extremely successful.

The Royal Navy knew better and graphically demonstrated what could be
done by an attack on the Italian fleet at Taranto. The Japanese
learned from this. The US Navy obviously did not.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Swordfish



Eric Stevens

On 9/16/09 10:12 , DG wrote:
"Neil wrote:

wrote in message
...
"Neil wrote:

wrote in message
...
C J Campbell wrote:





So while Ken seems to have gone off the deep end to the point where his
hatred of Nikon seems pathological, I would say that Nikon is certainly
accommodating him by providing him a lot to complain about.


There isn't much to speak about in the Nikon world. D300s? Who
cares? D5000? yawn... I do like the 35mm f/1.8 and recommend it to
everyone. It's cheap and good.

If you can get one. I've had my order in for a while and no word yet on
when
it will come.

Of course I could get one right now if I wanted to pay extra, but I'm
against doing that on principle and also as a tightwad.


I walked in the local camera store. They had it. Bought it. Cost
~$220. Are they going much cheaper than that?

List price is $199.95, I believe -- there's no list price on NikonUSA, but
I've seen that price mentioned and both Amazon and Adorama have had it
listed at that for some time now, though neither has had it in stock. Where
it's been in stock it's been selling for higher prices -- the $220 you paid
is about the best I've seen.

Just now checked Amazon, where I placed the order, and it's IN STOCK! YAY! I
guess they have quite a load of orders for it, because it says mine is
"being prepared for shipment" with no actual shipping date listed and I've
received no e-mail notification. But it won't be long now. I am really
looking forward to it.


You are going to love this lens. It's like an old normal (given the
1.5x on my D200). Sharp and great for low light.

Just took a quick read over at Ken's site. He's now on the PC vs. Mac
thread where he spews. He talks about upgrading a hard drive and how
easy it is on a Mac. 20 years ago I ran a Mac lab and a PC lab. I've
built, installed various OS's and networked hundreds (probably
thousands) of computers. I don't see a big difference except in
software availability (pc wins) between the two tools. If it works
for you great.

Here is what he says about installing a hard drive:
"If I was on Windows, I'd be taking all week trying to get it to work
again. " Really? You need some computer store guy to walk you
through your Mac installation and you criticize PCs for it?

I just bought a new 1.5 tb drive and it will take less than a minute
to get the SATA drive installed and recognized by the OS. I have a
great case (nothing to do with the OS). Sure it will take some time
to format but Mac doesn't have a magic bullet when it comes to
formatting a drive.

As usual, Ken goes for the divisive issue of Ford/chevy,
nikon/leica/canon, and mac/pc. Probably a good idea to get those Mac
people whipped into a frenzy while computer people roll their eyes at
his ignorance.


I dropped a fresh 1.5TB into my Mac and it found and formatted
the drive in a few minutes.

The primary difference between Windows and Mac, in this process,
is, the tools for adding, switching, modifying a drive are all
built-in to the O/S on a Mac. Under most Windows systems they
require third party, and often proprietary, software.

The process of swapping drives if you're moving from one drive to
a larger drive, takes about the same, depending on
processor/buss/drive cache speed of the respective computers.

On 2009-09-16 02:12:21 -0700, Eric Stevens said:

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:33:30 -0400, "Neil Harrington"
wrote:

Nikon's top of the line DSLRs still do not have sensor dust removal.

Really? The cheaper ones do. I have no idea about what's happening at the
top of the line.

The D300 has ultrasonic dust removal. So too, presumably, do the
higher order cameras.



Eric Stevens

One would think so, but they don't. Adorama even advertises the D3X as
having it, but it does not. None of Nikon's FX cameras have it.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 9/16/09 11:06 , DG wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:

I dropped a fresh 1.5TB into my Mac and it found and formatted
the drive in a few minutes.

The primary difference between Windows and Mac, in this process,
is, the tools for adding, switching, modifying a drive are all
built-in to the O/S on a Mac. Under most Windows systems they
require third party, and often proprietary, software.


No.

Right click my computer Manage Storage... etc.

No third party software required.


I did say 'most.'