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#41
September 2nd 04, 06:57 PM
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:32:26 -0600, Jerry McG wrote:
FWIW, the essentially forgotten F4 was perhaps one of the greatest bodies Nikon ever made. Unfortunately it seemed to have been designed with AF as an occasional use feature and the entire product line was "scooped" by Canon's EOS and internal focusing lens system. I worked with two F4s for about fiuve years before the F5 came out and I really missed that simple, elegant camera. You can get them now for a song, not even sure Nikon still supports them. Don't I know it! You obviously haven't been reading the exchanges between Tony Spadaro and I on this very topic. See the thread "Canon stomps Nikon...again". I recently picked up an F4s with multi-function back and 28-70mm f/2.6 AF Angenieux lens for less than what I paid for my 550EX Canon speedlite a couple of years ago. Having previously owned an F5 I find the F4s to be a lot friendlier and more versatile than the F5. With an AF-S lens onboard you will find the AF to be more than capable. As far as support goes, there is such a big Nikon user community out there that even if Nikon closed shop tomorrow you'd find support. -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded" - Sixto Rodriguez 
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#42
September 2nd 04, 06:57 PM
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:32:26 -0600, Jerry McG wrote:
FWIW, the essentially forgotten F4 was perhaps one of the greatest bodies Nikon ever made. Unfortunately it seemed to have been designed with AF as an occasional use feature and the entire product line was "scooped" by Canon's EOS and internal focusing lens system. I worked with two F4s for about fiuve years before the F5 came out and I really missed that simple, elegant camera. You can get them now for a song, not even sure Nikon still supports them. Don't I know it! You obviously haven't been reading the exchanges between Tony Spadaro and I on this very topic. See the thread "Canon stomps Nikon...again". I recently picked up an F4s with multi-function back and 28-70mm f/2.6 AF Angenieux lens for less than what I paid for my 550EX Canon speedlite a couple of years ago. Having previously owned an F5 I find the F4s to be a lot friendlier and more versatile than the F5. With an AF-S lens onboard you will find the AF to be more than capable. As far as support goes, there is such a big Nikon user community out there that even if Nikon closed shop tomorrow you'd find support. -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded" - Sixto Rodriguez
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#43
September 2nd 04, 09:28 PM
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Jerry McG wrote:
FWIW, the essentially forgotten F4 was perhaps one of the greatest bodies Nikon ever made. Unfortunately it seemed to have been designed with AF as an occasional use feature and the entire product line was "scooped" by Canon's EOS and internal focusing lens system. Nikon had internal focus manual focus lenses available for many years prior to offering autofocus lenses. However, I will agree that the early Nikon autofocus lenses were not that great. I worked with two F4s for about fiuve years before the F5 came out and I really missed that simple, elegant camera. You can get them now for a song, not even sure Nikon still supports them. Nikon in the US still support service on the F4. There are still some accessories available new for the F4, though with used pricing so good, buying used items might be a better choice. Also, there are many independent Nikon repair places in the US, and some are much lower cost than Nikon (some are faster turnaround time too). Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!
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#44
September 2nd 04, 09:28 PM
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Jerry McG wrote:
FWIW, the essentially forgotten F4 was perhaps one of the greatest bodies Nikon ever made. Unfortunately it seemed to have been designed with AF as an occasional use feature and the entire product line was "scooped" by Canon's EOS and internal focusing lens system. Nikon had internal focus manual focus lenses available for many years prior to offering autofocus lenses. However, I will agree that the early Nikon autofocus lenses were not that great. I worked with two F4s for about fiuve years before the F5 came out and I really missed that simple, elegant camera. You can get them now for a song, not even sure Nikon still supports them. Nikon in the US still support service on the F4. There are still some accessories available new for the F4, though with used pricing so good, buying used items might be a better choice. Also, there are many independent Nikon repair places in the US, and some are much lower cost than Nikon (some are faster turnaround time too). Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!
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#45
September 2nd 04, 09:29 PM
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Dallas wrote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:32:26 -0600, Jerry McG wrote: FWIW, the essentially forgotten F4 was perhaps one of the greatest bodies Nikon ever made. Unfortunately it seemed to have been designed with AF as an occasional use feature and the entire product line was "scooped" by Canon's EOS and internal focusing lens system. I worked with two F4s for about fiuve years before the F5 came out and I really missed that simple, elegant camera. You can get them now for a song, not even sure Nikon still supports them. Don't I know it! You obviously haven't been reading the exchanges between Tony Spadaro and I on this very topic. See the thread "Canon stomps Nikon...again". I recently picked up an F4s with multi-function back and 28-70mm f/2.6 AF Angenieux lens for less than what I paid for my 550EX Canon speedlite a couple of years ago. Having previously owned an F5 I find the F4s to be a lot friendlier and more versatile than the F5. With an AF-S lens onboard you will find the AF to be more than capable. As far as support goes, there is such a big Nikon user community out there that even if Nikon closed shop tomorrow you'd find support. Question for you on your particular F4: do you have the leader out option activated on it? Also, which multifunction back do you have, and any custom settings? Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!
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#46
September 2nd 04, 09:29 PM
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Dallas wrote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:32:26 -0600, Jerry McG wrote: FWIW, the essentially forgotten F4 was perhaps one of the greatest bodies Nikon ever made. Unfortunately it seemed to have been designed with AF as an occasional use feature and the entire product line was "scooped" by Canon's EOS and internal focusing lens system. I worked with two F4s for about fiuve years before the F5 came out and I really missed that simple, elegant camera. You can get them now for a song, not even sure Nikon still supports them. Don't I know it! You obviously haven't been reading the exchanges between Tony Spadaro and I on this very topic. See the thread "Canon stomps Nikon...again". I recently picked up an F4s with multi-function back and 28-70mm f/2.6 AF Angenieux lens for less than what I paid for my 550EX Canon speedlite a couple of years ago. Having previously owned an F5 I find the F4s to be a lot friendlier and more versatile than the F5. With an AF-S lens onboard you will find the AF to be more than capable. As far as support goes, there is such a big Nikon user community out there that even if Nikon closed shop tomorrow you'd find support. Question for you on your particular F4: do you have the leader out option activated on it? Also, which multifunction back do you have, and any custom settings? Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!
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#47
September 3rd 04, 05:06 AM
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I mis-stated what I meant by "internal focusing". I was referring to Canon
EOS's internal lens motors. Oddly, Nikon pioneered this concept with the unsuccesful F3AF in the early 80's but adoptewd a less presie, slower focusing motor-in-body system for the F4 and amateur AF bodies. IMHO, Canon's early EOS AF system was far superior to Nikon's, however all that advantage eventually disapeared as Nikon released the F5 & F100, and their ultrasonic focusing motors. "Gordon Moat" wrote in message ... Jerry McG wrote: FWIW, the essentially forgotten F4 was perhaps one of the greatest bodies Nikon ever made. Unfortunately it seemed to have been designed with AF as an occasional use feature and the entire product line was "scooped" by Canon's EOS and internal focusing lens system. Nikon had internal focus manual focus lenses available for many years prior to offering autofocus lenses. However, I will agree that the early Nikon autofocus lenses were not that great. I worked with two F4s for about fiuve years before the F5 came out and I really missed that simple, elegant camera. You can get them now for a song, not even sure Nikon still supports them. Nikon in the US still support service on the F4. There are still some accessories available new for the F4, though with used pricing so good, buying used items might be a better choice. Also, there are many independent Nikon repair places in the US, and some are much lower cost than Nikon (some are faster turnaround time too). Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!
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#48
September 3rd 04, 05:06 AM
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I mis-stated what I meant by "internal focusing". I was referring to Canon
EOS's internal lens motors. Oddly, Nikon pioneered this concept with the unsuccesful F3AF in the early 80's but adoptewd a less presie, slower focusing motor-in-body system for the F4 and amateur AF bodies. IMHO, Canon's early EOS AF system was far superior to Nikon's, however all that advantage eventually disapeared as Nikon released the F5 & F100, and their ultrasonic focusing motors. "Gordon Moat" wrote in message ... Jerry McG wrote: FWIW, the essentially forgotten F4 was perhaps one of the greatest bodies Nikon ever made. Unfortunately it seemed to have been designed with AF as an occasional use feature and the entire product line was "scooped" by Canon's EOS and internal focusing lens system. Nikon had internal focus manual focus lenses available for many years prior to offering autofocus lenses. However, I will agree that the early Nikon autofocus lenses were not that great. I worked with two F4s for about fiuve years before the F5 came out and I really missed that simple, elegant camera. You can get them now for a song, not even sure Nikon still supports them. Nikon in the US still support service on the F4. There are still some accessories available new for the F4, though with used pricing so good, buying used items might be a better choice. Also, there are many independent Nikon repair places in the US, and some are much lower cost than Nikon (some are faster turnaround time too). Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html Updated!
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#49
September 3rd 04, 03:57 PM
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:29:43 -0700, Gordon Moat wrote:
Question for you on your particular F4: do you have the leader out option activated on it? Also, which multifunction back do you have, and any custom settings? Gordon, I have the MF-23 back which is quite awesome. As far as custom functions are concerned, I don't think I have any set on the body, but will investigate the manual later to see what is available. -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded" - Sixto Rodriguez
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#50
September 3rd 04, 03:57 PM
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 13:29:43 -0700, Gordon Moat wrote:
Question for you on your particular F4: do you have the leader out option activated on it? Also, which multifunction back do you have, and any custom settings? Gordon, I have the MF-23 back which is quite awesome. As far as custom functions are concerned, I don't think I have any set on the body, but will investigate the manual later to see what is available. -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "Going down a dirty inner city side road I plotted Madness passed me by, she smiled hi, I nodded" - Sixto Rodriguez
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