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IS lenses on APS cameras?
I'm lying in wait for when full frame sensors become predominant in the
digital marketplace and many of these digital specific lenses, in particular the pricey IS models, will become obsolete and cheap on eBay. I assume nearly all of them will cover APS. Will the Canon IS "digital" lenses work on an APS body? Any other suggestions? Thank you Always thinking ahead. |
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IS lenses on APS cameras?
If Canon makes the camera body work with the lens, and the center
sharpness is good, the IS lens should work with either a full-frame sensor and the smaller-APS size sensor. Canon has one type of EF-S lens that is not 'forward' designed for all Canon bodies.... But generally, cheaper prices are not going to be found if the lens is good. = = = wrote: I'm lying in wait for when full frame sensors become predominant in the digital marketplace and many of these digital specific lenses, in particular the pricey IS models, will become obsolete and cheap on eBay. I assume nearly all of them will cover APS. Will the Canon IS "digital" lenses work on an APS body? Any other suggestions? Thank you Always thinking ahead. |
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IS lenses on APS cameras?
"Michael Benveniste" wrote in message
... wrote in message news I assume nearly all of them will cover APS. I don't think that's a good assumption. The APS-H frame is 16.7mm by 30.2mm -- none of the "APS-sized" dSLR sensors are that wide. So it'll have to be a trial-and-error process? I think you'll agree that once the industry settles on "full frame" or some variant of it, all of these lenses designed to cover "APS" sized sensors will be obsolete and cheaply dumped on eBay. I can't speak about Canon's products, but Nikon does not recommend using their DX lenses on their Pronea SLR's. Nor do Nikon's APS-only IX-Nikkor have the necessary mirror clearance to work on Nikon's dSLR's. (Not that you'd want to -- the IX-Nikkors are mediocre at best.) I think you get my point. Many of the APS-only lenses were dogs. However, I believe many of these lenses manufactured for digital were over-engineered for good reason. Once they can't cover the predominant sensor size they will become superfluous to digital shooters - but not for me. Incidentally to answer the "film is nearly dead" sentiment found on all but the most closely moderated discussion groups, my lab reports that one of their APS shooters (not me) shoots more rolls than any of their 35mm shooters - and APS is supposedly dead by most accounts. Steve |
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IS lenses on APS cameras?
"Jerry L" wrote in message
oups.com... If Canon makes the camera body work with the lens, and the center sharpness is good, the IS lens should work with either a full-frame sensor and the smaller-APS size sensor. Canon has one type of EF-S lens that is not 'forward' designed for all Canon bodies.... Translation please - you mean they will not cover a full-frame sensor but may cover an APS film frame? A group of lenses or just one? I'm a Minolta man, so I'm not familiar with the Canon line. Minolta's approach to APS and digital has been completely different i.e. nearly no compatibility. But generally, cheaper prices are not going to be found if the lens is good. = = = wrote: I'm lying in wait for when full frame sensors become predominant in the digital marketplace and many of these digital specific lenses, in particular the pricey IS models, will become obsolete and cheap on eBay. I assume nearly all of them will cover APS. Will the Canon IS "digital" lenses work on an APS body? Any other suggestions? Thank you Always thinking ahead. |
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IS lenses on APS cameras?
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news I assume nearly all of them will cover APS. I don't think that's a good assumption. The APS-H frame is 16.7mm by 30.2mm -- none of the "APS-sized" dSLR sensors are that wide. I can't speak about Canon's products, but Nikon does not recommend using their DX lenses on their Pronea SLR's. Nor do Nikon's APS-only IX-Nikkor have the necessary mirror clearance to work on Nikon's dSLR's. (Not that you'd want to -- the IX-Nikkors are mediocre at best.) -- Michael Benveniste -- Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. |
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IS lenses on APS cameras?
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... "Michael Benveniste" wrote in message ... wrote in message news I assume nearly all of them will cover APS. I don't think that's a good assumption. The APS-H frame is 16.7mm by 30.2mm -- none of the "APS-sized" dSLR sensors are that wide. So it'll have to be a trial-and-error process? I think you'll agree that once the industry settles on "full frame" or some variant of it, all of these lenses designed to cover "APS" sized sensors will be obsolete and cheaply dumped on eBay. That presumes that they will settle on a single chip size, which might happen, but not necessarily, nor necessarily soon. The very fact that Nikon has invested lots of R&D into a DX lens system would seem to indicate that it isn't going away any time soon. If Nikon produces a full frame sensor, which remains to be seen, too, I predict they will continue to produce the 1.6 crop factor sensors for the likes of the D50/D70, that is, prosumer cameras. So, I wouldn't hold your breath. Now, the drop in medium-format system prices, there's something to get excited about! -- Regards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com |
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IS lenses on APS cameras?
"Matt Clara" wrote in message
. .. wrote in message ... "Michael Benveniste" wrote in message ... wrote in message news I assume nearly all of them will cover APS. I don't think that's a good assumption. The APS-H frame is 16.7mm by 30.2mm -- none of the "APS-sized" dSLR sensors are that wide. So it'll have to be a trial-and-error process? I think you'll agree that once the industry settles on "full frame" or some variant of it, all of these lenses designed to cover "APS" sized sensors will be obsolete and cheaply dumped on eBay. That presumes that they will settle on a single chip size, which might happen, but not necessarily, nor necessarily soon. The very fact that Nikon has invested lots of R&D into a DX lens system would seem to indicate that it isn't going away any time soon. If Nikon produces a full frame sensor, which remains to be seen, too, I predict they will continue to produce the 1.6 crop factor sensors for the likes of the D50/D70, that is, prosumer cameras. Ah yes, Nikon won't abandon their current system when a new standard arrives? What about APS - they seemed to dump that the minute camera sales started falling. So, I wouldn't hold your breath. Now, the drop in medium-format system prices, there's something to get excited about! The drop in MF gear is old news. It's been going on for a few years - hence the exit of Bronica from the market with more to follow I'm sure. To not recognize that the whole reason why camera companies have embraced digital technology is because of planned obsolescence is quite naive. Certainly the bodies will be worthless, but some of the lenses can be salvaged. Steve |
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IS lenses on APS cameras?
"Matt Clara" wrote in message
. .. wrote in message ... "Matt Clara" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... "Michael Benveniste" wrote in message ... wrote in message news I assume nearly all of them will cover APS. I don't think that's a good assumption. The APS-H frame is 16.7mm by 30.2mm -- none of the "APS-sized" dSLR sensors are that wide. So it'll have to be a trial-and-error process? I think you'll agree that once the industry settles on "full frame" or some variant of it, all of these lenses designed to cover "APS" sized sensors will be obsolete and cheaply dumped on eBay. That presumes that they will settle on a single chip size, which might happen, but not necessarily, nor necessarily soon. The very fact that Nikon has invested lots of R&D into a DX lens system would seem to indicate that it isn't going away any time soon. If Nikon produces a full frame sensor, which remains to be seen, too, I predict they will continue to produce the 1.6 crop factor sensors for the likes of the D50/D70, that is, prosumer cameras. Ah yes, Nikon won't abandon their current system when a new standard arrives? What about APS - they seemed to dump that the minute camera sales started falling. So, I wouldn't hold your breath. Now, the drop in medium-format system prices, there's something to get excited about! The drop in MF gear is old news. It's been going on for a few years - hence the exit of Bronica from the market with more to follow I'm sure. To not recognize that the whole reason why camera companies have embraced digital technology is because of planned obsolescence is quite naive. Really? That's the model Canon is following. I think your plan stinks and hasn't a chance in hell of working out for at least 15 years. I'm betting on the "newer is better" mentality of digital shooters. If they've matured past that by the time "full frame" (or equivalent) sensors are predominant, then you're correct. Time will tell. Of course if Fuji and Kodak discontinue APS film by then, as another poster suggests, then I'm out of luck. However the APS patents should be expiring soon (2010 perhaps?) allowing secondary suppliers (like Ferrrania for example) to start manufacturing APS film without paying royalties. Steve |
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IS lenses on APS cameras?
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So it'll have to be a trial-and-error process? Yes. And some lenses will only provide coverage at some focal lengths or distances, or provide coverage but with lousy quality. I think you'll agree that once the industry settles on "full frame" or some variant of it, all of these lenses designed to cover "APS" sized sensors will be obsolete and cheaply dumped on eBay. Actually, I disagree rather strongly. It's now fairly clear that the reduced-sized sensor cameras can and will produce results comparable to 35mm film. That level of performance has proven to be good enough for many professional applications and the vast majority of amateur users. It's far less clear that 24x36mm represents any sort of "sweet spot" for dSLR's. As others have pointed out, Nikon has bet heavily on the DX format. Others have placed their bet on the even smaller 4/3rd's format. Canon has hedged their bets, but already seem to have abandoned their 1.3x line. I'd also guess that 24x36mm dSLR's make up only 2-3% of their sales. So quite honestly I doubt the industry will "settle on" 24x36mm any time soon. Instead, I expect an extended period of competing sensor formats, and that the current "dSLR- only lenses" will stay viable long after Kodak and Fuji discontinue APS film. Incidentally to answer the "film is nearly dead" sentiment found on all but the most closely moderated discussion groups, my lab reports that one of their APS shooters (not me) shoots more rolls than any of their 35mm shooters - and APS is supposedly dead by most accounts. Such is the danger of second-hand anecdotal evidence. I have a Pronea-S as a "car camera," but I also own and use 35mm, medium format, and 4x5" film cameras. I even trot out my Pentax 110 SLR once or twice a year. While I expect to be able to shoot film for at least the next two decades, I'm on record at predicting the end of APS film in 2008. ISO-100 APS film is already gone. -- Michael Benveniste -- Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. |
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IS lenses on APS cameras?
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... "Matt Clara" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... "Michael Benveniste" wrote in message ... wrote in message news I assume nearly all of them will cover APS. I don't think that's a good assumption. The APS-H frame is 16.7mm by 30.2mm -- none of the "APS-sized" dSLR sensors are that wide. So it'll have to be a trial-and-error process? I think you'll agree that once the industry settles on "full frame" or some variant of it, all of these lenses designed to cover "APS" sized sensors will be obsolete and cheaply dumped on eBay. That presumes that they will settle on a single chip size, which might happen, but not necessarily, nor necessarily soon. The very fact that Nikon has invested lots of R&D into a DX lens system would seem to indicate that it isn't going away any time soon. If Nikon produces a full frame sensor, which remains to be seen, too, I predict they will continue to produce the 1.6 crop factor sensors for the likes of the D50/D70, that is, prosumer cameras. Ah yes, Nikon won't abandon their current system when a new standard arrives? What about APS - they seemed to dump that the minute camera sales started falling. So, I wouldn't hold your breath. Now, the drop in medium-format system prices, there's something to get excited about! The drop in MF gear is old news. It's been going on for a few years - hence the exit of Bronica from the market with more to follow I'm sure. To not recognize that the whole reason why camera companies have embraced digital technology is because of planned obsolescence is quite naive. Really? That's the model Canon is following. I think your plan stinks and hasn't a chance in hell of working out for at least 15 years. -- Regards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com |
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