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Photoshopping school photos
On 11/30/2017 05:56 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:
On Thursday, 30 November 2017 02:59:00 UTC, PeterN wrote: On 11/29/2017 9:34 PM, Mayayana wrote: "Tony Cooper" wrote | Today, school photographers offer editing-at-a-cost. The local | photographer charges $20 to whiten teeth, whiten the whites of the | eyes, and remove minor blemishes. Other, more extensive services are | available. If all the services are taken, the amount could be as much | as $240. That might include taking braces off, restoring missing | teeth, removal of tan lines, adjustments to the hair, etc. | | I've used "Photoshopping" in the Subject line, but some other software | may be used. I think that's not really a PS thing. There are specific programs. When I bought PSP16 "Ultimate" version it came with Face Filter 3. I never used it. It required me to register and I had no interest in the functionality. But it's one of a number of automated programs that do what you're talking about. The difference with PS is that these programs don't just provide tools. They provide "wizards". Face Filter describes functions like so: Create a flawless complexion... skin smoothing... blemish removal. Beautifying tools. Basically graphical makeup. Expression redefining. "Muscle based facial morhing to create a desired expression". I'd guess that the school photographers are using such tools. Not skill with PS. Just feed in the photo and get a picture of a more attractive, similar looking person. On the other hand, like plastic surgery it doesn't really quite work. The personal character is lost and that's most of what makes someone interesting. It looks like my initial response to Tony did not get through. Event and portrait photographers have been fixing blemishes for years. Decades+, someone I knew fixed blemishes before WWII. In the digital age a lot of people tend to regard photographers as a commodity, and not as craftsman and artists. Photographers are entitled to make an honest living. Ah yes as long as it's honest. They need to eat, as do all of us. If fixing images of teeth helps them do so, I think that's great. Well it does depend on the reason doesn't it. Just supose you were hiring a model from a catologue of some sort. You foudn this beautiful girl who looked exactly right for the photo shoot you wanted so you email her and a week later she arrives, trouble is the photoshopped image yuo based yuor assemement on isn't quite right. In fact this slime-sleek girl is actually over weight if not obese, only has half her teeth, her hair is al matted and she has tatooes on her body which you didn't see in the picture, but donl;t worry with a day or so photoshopping you can get her to look exactly like you want. Then there's the peer pressure your next door daughters parents gave $500 to have her picture taken and 'adjusted' so you should do the same. Not that it's the photographers problem. But I do see this as another job NOT necessarily a photographers but a graphic artists job. In the hair salon down the street, there is a sign in the window: "I'm a Beautician, not a Magician." After seeing some of the clients, I suspect the owner should invest in a hat and rabbit. It might be easier. -- Ken Hart |
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On 11/30/2017 10:05 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"PeterN" wrote | Event and portrait photographers have been fixing blemishes for years. | In the digital age a lot of people tend to regard photographers as a | commodity, and not as craftsman and artists. Photographers are entitled | to make an honest living. They need to eat, as do all of us. If fixing | images of teeth helps them do so, I think that's great. Sure. Though I was not aware that such things were being done at the level of school photos. I was only pointing out that this seems to be neither the realm of the photographer nor of the graphic artist. Like "fixing redeye", it's become a one-click operation. I imagine publishing companies probably have very advanced stuff to do it, so that only one click give a movie star hips, bright blue eyes, and air-brushed skin, while thinning her chin to "feminize", maybe reshaping her nose, etc. The program I got for free with PSP claims to do most of that. I can hardly imagine what Cosmo must use. Once upon a time, skilled portrait photographers could handle most of those things with creative lighting and posing. -- Ken Hart |
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In article , Ken Hart
wrote: I was only pointing out that this seems to be neither the realm of the photographer nor of the graphic artist. Like "fixing redeye", it's become a one-click operation. I imagine publishing companies probably have very advanced stuff to do it, so that only one click give a movie star hips, bright blue eyes, and air-brushed skin, while thinning her chin to "feminize", maybe reshaping her nose, etc. The program I got for free with PSP claims to do most of that. I can hardly imagine what Cosmo must use. Once upon a time, skilled portrait photographers could handle most of those things with creative lighting and posing. they still can. |
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On 11/29/2017 10:28 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:58:17 -0500, PeterN wrote: On 11/29/2017 9:34 PM, Mayayana wrote: "Tony Cooper" wrote | Today, school photographers offer editing-at-a-cost. The local | photographer charges $20 to whiten teeth, whiten the whites of the | eyes, and remove minor blemishes. Other, more extensive services are | available. If all the services are taken, the amount could be as much | as $240. That might include taking braces off, restoring missing | teeth, removal of tan lines, adjustments to the hair, etc. | | I've used "Photoshopping" in the Subject line, but some other software | may be used. I think that's not really a PS thing. There are specific programs. When I bought PSP16 "Ultimate" version it came with Face Filter 3. I never used it. It required me to register and I had no interest in the functionality. But it's one of a number of automated programs that do what you're talking about. The difference with PS is that these programs don't just provide tools. They provide "wizards". Face Filter describes functions like so: Create a flawless complexion... skin smoothing... blemish removal. Beautifying tools. Basically graphical makeup. Expression redefining. "Muscle based facial morhing to create a desired expression". I'd guess that the school photographers are using such tools. Not skill with PS. Just feed in the photo and get a picture of a more attractive, similar looking person. On the other hand, like plastic surgery it doesn't really quite work. The personal character is lost and that's most of what makes someone interesting. It looks like my initial response to Tony did not get through. It came through to me as email. Event and portrait photographers have been fixing blemishes for years. In the digital age a lot of people tend to regard photographers as a commodity, and not as craftsman and artists. Photographers are entitled to make an honest living. They need to eat, as do all of us. If fixing images of teeth helps them do so, I think that's great. I don't object to photographers making money, but I do see the practice as somewhat objectionable. The message it gives to the kids is that their appearance is of paramount importance to their parents. You're teeth aren't brilliantly white in a photo? You don't live up to my expectations. You're parents didn't pay to have that gap where the baby tooth came out filled in with a fake tooth? They must not love you. To me that seems like a stretch. If a kid thinks he is not loved because his parents didn't give him a material thing, I think there is a deeper problem with the relationship. When the demand for physical perfection starts that early in life it can have later repercussions. It sounds to me that you are conflating an absolute of perfection, with making the best of what you are. Lots of kids go to school wearing hand me downs. Is it a terrible thing for the clothes to be neat and clean? Should the use of bleach and soap be outlawed. If a kid stammers and stutters should he be denied speech therapy. Your statement sounds to me like you are conflating unconditional emotional caring with making the best of the way things are. -- PeterN |
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On 11/30/2017 5:13 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
snip In the hair salon down the street, there is a sign in the window: "I'm a Beautician, not a Magician." After seeing some of the clients, I suspect the owner should invest in a hat and rabbit. It might be easier. Things are rarely what they seem.............. We went to a reception ans were sitting at a table with a young lady who was scarfing Italian pastries, at an extremely rapid rate. I didn't mention that she was a HIGHLY PAID salesperson for a weight loss company. I rarely resist temptation, and threatened to make a video of her desert eating habits, and put it in a competitors store window. She had no sense of humor, and hasn't spoken to me since. -- PeterN |
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On 11/30/2017 5:16 PM, Ken Hart wrote:
On 11/30/2017 10:05 AM, Mayayana wrote: "PeterN" wrote | Event and portrait photographers have been fixing blemishes for years. | In the digital age a lot of people tend to regard photographers as a | commodity, and not as craftsman and artists. Photographers are entitled | to make an honest living. They need to eat, as do all of us. If fixing | images of teeth helps them do so, I think that's great. Â*Â* Sure. Though I was not aware that such things were being done at the level of school photos. Â*Â*Â* I was only pointing out that this seems to be neither the realm of the photographer nor of the graphic artist. Like "fixing redeye", it's become a one-click operation. I imagine publishing companies probably have very advanced stuff to do it, so that only one click give a movie star hips, bright blue eyes, and air-brushed skin, while thinning her chin to "feminize", maybe reshaping her nose, etc. The program I got for free with PSP claims to do most of that. I can hardly imagine what Cosmo must use. Once upon a time, skilled portrait photographers could handle most of those things with creative lighting and posing. There must be some who still can. -- PeterN |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: We went to a reception ans were sitting at a table with a young lady who was scarfing Italian pastries, at an extremely rapid rate. she was hungry or the pastries were delicious. probably both. I didn't mention that she was a HIGHLY PAID salesperson for a weight loss company. so what? they need to eat just like everyone else. I rarely resist temptation, and threatened to make a video of her desert eating habits, and put it in a competitors store window. She had no sense of humor, and hasn't spoken to me since. incredibly smart lady. |
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On 12/2/2017 6:46 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: We went to a reception ans were sitting at a table with a young lady who was scarfing Italian pastries, at an extremely rapid rate. she was hungry or the pastries were delicious. probably both. You have just given us tons of information regarding your understanding of English usage, impulse control, and regard for others. I didn't mention that she was a HIGHLY PAID salesperson for a weight loss company. so what? they need to eat just like everyone else. I rarely resist temptation, and threatened to make a video of her desert eating habits, and put it in a competitors store window. She had no sense of humor, and hasn't spoken to me since. incredibly smart lady. Since you consider her smart for that, following your own reasoning, regarding intelligence it's easy to figure out where that puts you on the intelligence scale. you must even think nobody noticed your context snip. -- PeterN |
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 21:57:57 -0500, PeterN
wrote: On 11/30/2017 5:13 PM, Ken Hart wrote: snip In the hair salon down the street, there is a sign in the window: "I'm a Beautician, not a Magician." After seeing some of the clients, I suspect the owner should invest in a hat and rabbit. It might be easier. Things are rarely what they seem.............. We went to a reception ans were sitting at a table with a young lady who was scarfing Italian pastries, at an extremely rapid rate. I didn't mention that she was a HIGHLY PAID salesperson for a weight loss company. I rarely resist temptation, and threatened to make a video of her desert eating habits, and put it in a competitors store window. She had no sense of humor, and hasn't spoken to me since. You shouldn't joke about food to these people. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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