When Panasonic m4/3rds lost the thread.

In article ,
RichA says...

This is the mindset that produced the hulking Olympus E-3/5 and killed their DSLR sector.
Look at this size comparison and ask, "why?"

https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-cam...s-sony-a7r-iii

I know. Was in a store today and while they didn't have the G9 they had
a GH5 (same size as the G9) near a Sony A7 II. The GH5 looked like a big
bulky thing.

In defense of the G9 however I have to say that this comes with 6.5
stops of stabilisation, while the Sony has far less stabilisation. And
the lenses of the A7** are much bigger.
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Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

On 12/11/2017 6:49 @wiz, Alfred Molon wrote:


I know. Was in a store today and while they didn't have the G9 they had
a GH5 (same size as the G9) near a Sony A7 II. The GH5 looked like a big
bulky thing.

And heaps less expen$sive...

In defense of the G9 however I have to say that this comes with 6.5
stops of stabilisation, while the Sony has far less stabilisation. And
the lenses of the A7** are much bigger.

Hehehe! Slight hiccup for the "let's bury m4/3" camp!

On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 21:26:52 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

On Saturday, 11 November 2017 18:28:30 UTC-8, Noons wrote:
On 12/11/2017 6:49 @wiz, Alfred Molon wrote:


I know. Was in a store today and while they didn't have the G9 they had
a GH5 (same size as the G9) near a Sony A7 II. The GH5 looked like a big
bulky thing.

And heaps less expen$sive...

In defense of the G9 however I have to say that this comes with 6.5
stops of stabilisation, while the Sony has far less stabilisation. And
the lenses of the A7** are much bigger.

Hehehe! Slight hiccup for the "let's bury m4/3" camp!

I'll believe it when I see it. I had the Panasonic GX8 and the stabilization was lousy, nowhere near as good as Olympus, even the older E-M5II.

I shot a GX8 for a while, and the IBIS was not intended to be the
primary stabilizing method. Panny focused on in lens stabilization,
and when used in conjunction with the IBIS it was excellent. Shooting
the 10-40 zoom with the GX8 was a good example. Hand holcable at
400mm.

On 14/11/2017 14:19, wrote:
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I shot a GX8 for a while, and the IBIS was not intended to be the
primary stabilizing method. Panny focused on in lens stabilization,
and when used in conjunction with the IBIS it was excellent. Shooting
the 10-40 zoom with the GX8 was a good example. Hand holcable at
400mm.

In the lens is the best place for stabilisation, and I'm pleased
Panasonic chose that route. Having the in-body too is a useful bonus.

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

In article , David Taylor says...
In the lens is the best place for stabilisation, and I'm pleased
Panasonic chose that route. Having the in-body too is a useful bonus.

If you combine in-body with in-lens you get 6.5 stops of stabilisation
(with the Olympus E-M1 II).
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

On 14/11/2017 18:59, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , David Taylor says...
In the lens is the best place for stabilisation, and I'm pleased
Panasonic chose that route. Having the in-body too is a useful bonus.

If you combine in-body with in-lens you get 6.5 stops of stabilisation
(with the Olympus E-M1 II).

Yes, sounds very good. Possibly one of the Panasonics does that as well.

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:59:12 +0100, Alfred Molon
wrote:

In article , David Taylor says...
In the lens is the best place for stabilisation, and I'm pleased
Panasonic chose that route. Having the in-body too is a useful bonus.

If you combine in-body with in-lens you get 6.5 stops of stabilisation
(with the Olympus E-M1 II).

You also get two different stabilization systems fighting each other
unless they are designed to be compatible. I would expect that to
cause problems although I have never actually heard of it doing so.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:30:26 +0000, David Taylor
wrote:

On 14/11/2017 14:19, wrote:
[]
I shot a GX8 for a while, and the IBIS was not intended to be the
primary stabilizing method. Panny focused on in lens stabilization,
and when used in conjunction with the IBIS it was excellent. Shooting
the 10-40 zoom with the GX8 was a good example. Hand holcable at
400mm.

In the lens is the best place for stabilisation, and I'm pleased
Panasonic chose that route. Having the in-body too is a useful bonus.

It's the combination of the two that's the best. Olympus, with the
E-M1.2 claims 6.5 stops, and even that's limited, so they say, by the
rotation of the earth. I have seen some sharp shots taken at shutter
speeds of two seconds with that cam. It's amazing, really.

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:35:35 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:59:12 +0100, Alfred Molon
wrote:

In article , David Taylor says...
In the lens is the best place for stabilisation, and I'm pleased
Panasonic chose that route. Having the in-body too is a useful bonus.

If you combine in-body with in-lens you get 6.5 stops of stabilisation
(with the Olympus E-M1 II).

You also get two different stabilization systems fighting each other
unless they are designed to be compatible. I would expect that to
cause problems although I have never actually heard of it doing so.

I have noticed that with my Panny lenses on the Oly body. I just
switch off the IS on the lens.

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:18:07 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote:

On Tuesday, 14 November 2017 10:59:15 UTC-8, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , David Taylor says...
In the lens is the best place for stabilisation, and I'm pleased
Panasonic chose that route. Having the in-body too is a useful bonus.

If you combine in-body with in-lens you get 6.5 stops of stabilisation
(with the Olympus E-M1 II).
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

Despite the claims, no one is doing 4 second hand-held exposures (that I've seen) with Panasonics, but they do with the E-M1II.

I expect that to change with the G9. We'll see when it's really in
production and in the field. For now, though, the E-M1.2 is the best
I've ever seen or used.