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  #11  
Old September 18th 17, 04:19 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.photography
PeterN[_7_]
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On 9/18/2017 12:29 AM, Ron C wrote:
On 9/17/2017 11:24 PM, PeterN wrote:
While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy
surf. While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of most
of the surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0




IMHO way over cropped. From that shot I get the feeling
you've never been a surfer. (For me .. context is missing)


My personal style tends towards heavy cropping. See the NEF files I
posted in response to the Duck. And you are right, I have never been a
surfer, nor will I ever be one.
Since I plan to shoot a surfing competition in a few weeks, and would
like to give some shots to the organization, how much context should I
leave in? Since I am going to give them the shots, I would like to give
them what they want.



Yes, I have done such wipe-outs in my younger days.
[but no longer even try... ]

Lately I've been thinking about getting a good waterproof
camera and going out to get some serious in water shots.

...maybe next season.

I used to dive. I found an Ikelite housing worked well. I used it with
my Nikkormat for years. However, if you just want casual family shots,
You can get a P&S for a lot less money.
https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=waterproof+point+and+shoot+camer a&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=177271484533&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw= g&hvrand=14427954963387958466&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqm t=b&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004545&h vtargid=kwd-4566510721&ref=pd_sl_2pg9uacdom_b

https://tinyurl.com/yco2vvya


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  #12  
Old September 18th 17, 05:29 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.photography
Ron C
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On 9/18/2017 11:19 AM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/18/2017 12:29 AM, Ron C wrote:
On 9/17/2017 11:24 PM, PeterN wrote:
While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy
surf. While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of
most of the surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0




IMHO way over cropped. From that shot I get the feeling
you've never been a surfer. (For me .. context is missing)


My personal style tends towards heavy cropping. See the NEF files I
posted in response to the Duck. And you are right, I have never been a
surfer, nor will I ever be one.
Since I plan to shoot a surfing competition in a few weeks, and would
like to give some shots to the organization, how much context should I
leave in? Since I am going to give them the shots, I would like to give
them what they want.



Yes, I have done such wipe-outs in my younger days.
[but no longer even try... ]

Lately I've been thinking about getting a good waterproof
camera and going out to get some serious in water shots.

...maybe next season.

I used to dive. I found an Ikelite housing worked well. I used it with
my Nikkormat for years. However, if you just want casual family shots,
You can get a P&S for a lot less money.
https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=waterproof+point+and+shoot+camer a&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=177271484533&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw= g&hvrand=14427954963387958466&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqm t=b&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004545&h vtargid=kwd-4566510721&ref=pd_sl_2pg9uacdom_b


https://tinyurl.com/yco2vvya


Ikelite seems to make good stuff at a good price point. I've been
looking at the DLM200 Canon SL1 package or maybe their
new SL2 package. Turns out it would cost less to buy the full
kit w/camera than to buy a housing for any of my cameras.
~~
As for context, I would want to get a feeling of time. Some
indication of how the situation developed or is developing
gives a better feeling for the action and perhaps emotion.
I can still vividly recall the feeling of looking down the wave
during a wipe-out. Having been there I have some empathy
for the situation and would want to capture a bit of that feeling.
You have the choice of how he got there, where he's going, or
[in some cases] some unusual or spectacular static shot.
Dropping in to a wave or pulling out tend to be the most
dynamic. [IMHO] Resist the tight crop in favor of the story.
OK, I think that's enough of my babbling.
~~
Last I checked the surf looks big but choppy and
blown out today.
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Later...
Ron C
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  #13  
Old September 18th 17, 06:08 PM posted to rec.photo.digital, alt.photography
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On Sep 18, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/18/2017 2:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 17, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy surf.
While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of most of the
surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0


That is a pretty good capture, and the D500 is doing what it does best.


That's why I got it.

As far as the surfer’s ability goes, he was out there wasn’t he?

Yep!.
There is a surfing competition coming up there next month. I was really
hoping to get some of the better surfers practicing.
There were few that were decent:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q49tiud6ywe5d5m/20170917_surfing_5859.jpg?dl=0


Hmmm...
PN crop time.


However, there are some things which I find odd.
What is it with his right hand, especially the fingers?
Then with the shot taken right into the Sun/flare behind the board there is highlight clipping, his body is put into shadow deep enough to hide detail, and the skin tones seem somewhat reddish.


It was a foggy day. Had there been sun it would have been from my left.


In that case there is an issue with your post processing, because there is something odd about that fuzzy hot-spot to the right of the board.

I was facing SSW. You can check the exact position of the Sun on TPE.
The images were taken at Gilgo Beach, At about 10:00. I applied the ACR
fog remover, sharpened, and are you sitting, noise reduction. Here are
the RAW files to play with:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x3snxtwr76t53xx/20170917_surfing_5872.NEF?dl=0


My processing and crop were different, with surfing shots, the actual surf/wave provides important context.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipn74lo6fu2jb5g/PN_surfing_5872.jpg

Another wipeout:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x75vd7gk9mc239h/20170917_surfing_5875.NEF?dl=0


My rendition of that one.
BTW: that might be the better shot of the two.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipn74lo6fu2jb5g/PN_surfing_5872.jpg


Since I plan to do monochrome conversions, I am not overly concerned
about the color.


Monochrome might not be the best choice for surf shots, but who knows?

--

Regards,
Savageduck

  #14  
Old September 18th 17, 06:17 PM posted to rec.photo.digital, alt.photography
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On Sep 18, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Sep 18, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/18/2017 2:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 17, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy surf.
While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of most of the
surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0

That is a pretty good capture, and the D500 is doing what it does best.


That's why I got it.

As far as the surfer’s ability goes, he was out there wasn’t he?

Yep!.
There is a surfing competition coming up there next month. I was really
hoping to get some of the better surfers practicing.
There were few that were decent:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q49tiud6ywe5d5m/20170917_surfing_5859.jpg?dl=0


Hmmm...
PN crop time.


However, there are some things which I find odd.
What is it with his right hand, especially the fingers?
Then with the shot taken right into the Sun/flare behind the board there is highlight clipping, his body is put into shadow deep enough to hide detail, and the skin tones seem somewhat reddish.


It was a foggy day. Had there been sun it would have been from my left.


In that case there is an issue with your post processing, because there is something odd about that fuzzy hot-spot to the right of the board.

I was facing SSW. You can check the exact position of the Sun on TPE.
The images were taken at Gilgo Beach, At about 10:00. I applied the ACR
fog remover, sharpened, and are you sitting, noise reduction. Here are
the RAW files to play with:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x3snxtwr76t53xx/20170917_surfing_5872.NEF?dl=0


My processing and crop were different, with surfing shots, the actual surf/wave provides important context.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipn74lo6fu2jb5g/PN_surfing_5872.jpg

Another wipeout:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x75vd7gk9mc239h/20170917_surfing_5875.NEF?dl=0


My rendition of that one.
BTW: that might be the better shot of the two.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipn74lo6fu2jb5g/PN_surfing_5872.jpg


Oops!!
Try this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4v4akvj9e57vqi/PN_surfing_5875.jpg



Since I plan to do monochrome conversions, I am not overly concerned
about the color.


Monochrome might not be the best choice for surf shots, but who knows?


--

Regards,
Savageduck

  #15  
Old September 18th 17, 07:04 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.photography
Ron C
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On 9/18/2017 11:03 AM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/18/2017 2:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 17, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy surf.
While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of most of the
surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0


That is a pretty good capture, and the D500 is doing what it does best.


That's why I got it.

As far as the surfer’s ability goes, he was out there wasn’t he?

Yep!.
There is a surfing competition coming up there next month. I was really
hoping to get some of the better surfers practicing.
There were few that were decent:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q49tiud6ywe5d5m/20170917_surfing_5859.jpg?dl=0


However, there are some things which I find odd.
What is it with his right hand, especially the fingers?
Then with the shot taken right into the Sun/flare behind the board
there is highlight clipping, his body is put into shadow deep enough
to hide detail, and the skin tones seem somewhat reddish.



It was a foggy day. Had there been sun it would have been from my left.
I was facing SSW.* You can check the exact position of the Sun on TPE.
The images were taken at Gilgo Beach, At about 10:00. I applied the ACR
fog remover, sharpened, and are you sitting, noise reduction. Here are
the RAW files to play with:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x3snxtwr76t53xx/20170917_surfing_5872.NEF?dl=0

Another wipeout:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x75vd7gk9mc239h/20170917_surfing_5875.NEF?dl=0

Since I plan to do monochrome conversions, I am not overly concerned
about the color.


OK, I took a look at the raw shots and I'm not sure but believe there's a
confusing context. From what I'm seeing these shots look like high energy
exits from a wave that was about to close.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the guy was riding
from left
to right and kicked out (to avoid needing to paddle back out) however the
energy in the photo seems to be going from right to left leaving me with a
confused feeling about what just happened. If so, I'm guessing that snapping
the shot a few moments earlier would have been a bit less dynamic but would
have the energy in the right direction.
--
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Later....
Ron C
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  #16  
Old September 18th 17, 11:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.photography
PeterN[_7_]
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On 9/18/2017 2:04 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 9/18/2017 11:03 AM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/18/2017 2:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 17, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy
surf.
While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of most of the
surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0


That is a pretty good capture, and the D500 is doing what it does best.


That's why I got it.

As far as the surfer’s ability goes, he was out there wasn’t he?

Yep!.
There is a surfing competition coming up there next month. I was
really hoping to get some of the better surfers practicing.
There were few that were decent:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q49tiud6ywe5d5m/20170917_surfing_5859.jpg?dl=0



However, there are some things which I find odd.
What is it with his right hand, especially the fingers?
Then with the shot taken right into the Sun/flare behind the board
there is highlight clipping, his body is put into shadow deep enough
to hide detail, and the skin tones seem somewhat reddish.



It was a foggy day. Had there been sun it would have been from my
left. I was facing SSW.* You can check the exact position of the Sun
on TPE. The images were taken at Gilgo Beach, At about 10:00. I
applied the ACR fog remover, sharpened, and are you sitting, noise
reduction. Here are the RAW files to play with:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x3snxtwr76t53xx/20170917_surfing_5872.NEF?dl=0


Another wipeout:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x75vd7gk9mc239h/20170917_surfing_5875.NEF?dl=0


Since I plan to do monochrome conversions, I am not overly concerned
about the color.


OK, I took a look at the raw shots and I'm not sure but believe there's a
confusing context. From what I'm seeing these shots look like high energy
exits from a wave that was about to close.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the guy was riding
from left
to right and kicked out (to avoid needing to paddle back out) however the
energy in the photo seems to be going from right to left leaving me with a
confused feeling about what just happened. If so, I'm guessing that
snapping
the shot a few moments earlier would have been a bit less dynamic but would
have the energy in the right direction.


In most cases the surfers were riding from left to right. However, IIRC
I have a few that were riding from right to left. In any event I may
have some just prior to the wife-out. I will look again, in a few days.
I don't understand enough about the sport to fully understand what you
mean by energy, but I will look at the images with an energy concept in
mind. The wind was against the tide.


--
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  #17  
Old September 18th 17, 11:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.photography
PeterN[_7_]
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On 9/18/2017 1:17 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 18, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Sep 18, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/18/2017 2:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 17, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy surf.
While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of most of the
surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0

That is a pretty good capture, and the D500 is doing what it does best.

That's why I got it.

As far as the surfer’s ability goes, he was out there wasn’t he?
Yep!.
There is a surfing competition coming up there next month. I was really
hoping to get some of the better surfers practicing.
There were few that were decent:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q49tiud6ywe5d5m/20170917_surfing_5859.jpg?dl=0


Hmmm...
PN crop time.


However, there are some things which I find odd.
What is it with his right hand, especially the fingers?
Then with the shot taken right into the Sun/flare behind the board there is highlight clipping, his body is put into shadow deep enough to hide detail, and the skin tones seem somewhat reddish.

It was a foggy day. Had there been sun it would have been from my left.


In that case there is an issue with your post processing, because there is something odd about that fuzzy hot-spot to the right of the board.

I was facing SSW. You can check the exact position of the Sun on TPE.
The images were taken at Gilgo Beach, At about 10:00. I applied the ACR
fog remover, sharpened, and are you sitting, noise reduction. Here are
the RAW files to play with:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x3snxtwr76t53xx/20170917_surfing_5872.NEF?dl=0


My processing and crop were different, with surfing shots, the actual surf/wave provides important context.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipn74lo6fu2jb5g/PN_surfing_5872.jpg

Another wipeout:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x75vd7gk9mc239h/20170917_surfing_5875.NEF?dl=0


My rendition of that one.
BTW: that might be the better shot of the two.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipn74lo6fu2jb5g/PN_surfing_5872.jpg


Oops!!
Try this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4v4akvj9e57vqi/PN_surfing_5875.jpg


Needs to be cropped. How much is always a judgement call.




Since I plan to do monochrome conversions, I am not overly concerned
about the color.


Monochrome might not be the best choice for surf shots, but who knows?



IMHO many sports shots can look more dynamic in monochrome. I am inot
intending my shots to sell location.



--
PeterN
  #18  
Old September 19th 17, 12:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital, alt.photography
Savageduck[_3_]
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On Sep 18, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/18/2017 1:17 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 18, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Sep 18, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/18/2017 2:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 17, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy surf.
While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of most of the
surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0

That is a pretty good capture, and the D500 is doing what it does best.

That's why I got it.

As far as the surfer’s ability goes, he was out there wasn’t he?
Yep!.
There is a surfing competition coming up there next month. I was really
hoping to get some of the better surfers practicing.
There were few that were decent:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q49tiud6ywe5d5m/20170917_surfing_5859.jpg?dl=0

Hmmm...
PN crop time.


However, there are some things which I find odd.
What is it with his right hand, especially the fingers?
Then with the shot taken right into the Sun/flare behind the board there is highlight clipping, his body is put into shadow deep enough to hide detail, and the skin tones seem somewhat reddish.

It was a foggy day. Had there been sun it would have been from my left.

In that case there is an issue with your post processing, because there is something odd about that fuzzy hot-spot to the right of the board.

I was facing SSW. You can check the exact position of the Sun on TPE.
The images were taken at Gilgo Beach, At about 10:00. I applied the ACR
fog remover, sharpened, and are you sitting, noise reduction. Here are
the RAW files to play with:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x3snxtwr76t53xx/20170917_surfing_5872.NEF?dl=0

My processing and crop were different, with surfing shots, the actual surf/wave provides important context.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipn74lo6fu2jb5g/PN_surfing_5872.jpg

Another wipeout:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x75vd7gk9mc239h/20170917_surfing_5875.NEF?dl=0

My rendition of that one.
BTW: that might be the better shot of the two.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipn74lo6fu2jb5g/PN_surfing_5872.jpg


Oops!!
Try this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4v4akvj9e57vqi/PN_surfing_5875.jpg


Needs to be cropped. How much is always a judgement call.


It was cropped. In my judgement just enough. I also changed the aspect ratio.
I also dealt with the CA and fringing which was contributing to color noise, and I didn’t use a heavy hand on the ACR Dehaze.

Your severe crops do not always benefit the image. What would you have cropped in the case of these two shots to get close to your originally shared image?
The crop you made on your originally shared rendition of *5672* is too tight, and removes most of the wave, any interpretation of energy in that wave, and the context of the surfer’s action. Having the complete image with the context of the wave, and surfer tells the whole story, including the wave energy the surfer is dealing with. Crop to just the surfer, and the entire image suffers. I believe that is what Ron was trying to tell you.

BTW: I have been a surfer whenever the opportunity arrises for over 40 years, and I have been a more frequent, and enthusiastic Windsurfer since 1974.

Since I plan to do monochrome conversions, I am not overly concerned
about the color.

Monochrome might not be the best choice for surf shots, but who knows?


IMHO many sports shots can look more dynamic in monochrome. I am inot
intending my shots to sell location.


It always depends on the shot, how it is rendered, and presented.
Color is not always a tool to sell location, and as I said, B&W MIGHT not be the best choice for surfing shots.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

  #19  
Old September 19th 17, 12:22 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.photography
Ron C
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On 9/18/2017 6:35 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/18/2017 2:04 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 9/18/2017 11:03 AM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/18/2017 2:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 17, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy
surf.
While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of most of
the
surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0


That is a pretty good capture, and the D500 is doing what it does best.

That's why I got it.

As far as the surfer’s ability goes, he was out there wasn’t he?

Yep!.
There is a surfing competition coming up there next month. I was
really hoping to get some of the better surfers practicing.
There were few that were decent:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q49tiud6ywe5d5m/20170917_surfing_5859.jpg?dl=0



However, there are some things which I find odd.
What is it with his right hand, especially the fingers?
Then with the shot taken right into the Sun/flare behind the board
there is highlight clipping, his body is put into shadow deep enough
to hide detail, and the skin tones seem somewhat reddish.



It was a foggy day. Had there been sun it would have been from my
left. I was facing SSW.* You can check the exact position of the Sun
on TPE. The images were taken at Gilgo Beach, At about 10:00. I
applied the ACR fog remover, sharpened, and are you sitting, noise
reduction. Here are the RAW files to play with:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x3snxtwr76t53xx/20170917_surfing_5872.NEF?dl=0


Another wipeout:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x75vd7gk9mc239h/20170917_surfing_5875.NEF?dl=0


Since I plan to do monochrome conversions, I am not overly concerned
about the color.


OK, I took a look at the raw shots and I'm not sure but believe there's a
confusing context. From what I'm seeing these shots look like high energy
exits from a wave that was about to close.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the guy was riding
from left
to right and kicked out (to avoid needing to paddle back out) however the
energy in the photo seems to be going from right to left leaving me
with a
confused feeling about what just happened. If so, I'm guessing that
snapping
the shot a few moments earlier would have been a bit less dynamic but
would
have the energy in the right direction.


In most cases the surfers were riding from left to right. However, IIRC
I have a few that were riding from right to left. In any event I may
have some just prior to the wife-out. I will look again, in a few days.
I don't understand enough about the sport to fully understand what you
mean by energy, but I will look at the images with an energy concept in
mind. The wind was against the tide.


There are several tricks that take a surfer up the face of a wave along with
a direction reversal. A trick you may want to look up is an alley-oop.
~~
Contrary to popular belief the phase of the tide has little to do with wave
formation or wave shape, thus wind against the tide is kind of meaningless.
However I'm sure you will find surfers that will argue the point.
~~
Enjoy your beach visits and photo adventures there.
--
==
Later...
Ron C
--

  #20  
Old September 19th 17, 02:52 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,alt.photography
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On 9/18/2017 7:07 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 18, 2017, PeterN wrote
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On 9/18/2017 1:17 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 18, 2017, Savageduck wrote
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On Sep 18, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/18/2017 2:32 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 17, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy surf.
While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of most of the
surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0

That is a pretty good capture, and the D500 is doing what it does best.

That's why I got it.

As far as the surfer’s ability goes, he was out there wasn’t he?
Yep!.
There is a surfing competition coming up there next month. I was really
hoping to get some of the better surfers practicing.
There were few that were decent:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q49tiud6ywe5d5m/20170917_surfing_5859.jpg?dl=0

Hmmm...
PN crop time.


However, there are some things which I find odd.
What is it with his right hand, especially the fingers?
Then with the shot taken right into the Sun/flare behind the board there is highlight clipping, his body is put into shadow deep enough to hide detail, and the skin tones seem somewhat reddish.

It was a foggy day. Had there been sun it would have been from my left.

In that case there is an issue with your post processing, because there is something odd about that fuzzy hot-spot to the right of the board.

I was facing SSW. You can check the exact position of the Sun on TPE.
The images were taken at Gilgo Beach, At about 10:00. I applied the ACR
fog remover, sharpened, and are you sitting, noise reduction. Here are
the RAW files to play with:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x3snxtwr76t53xx/20170917_surfing_5872.NEF?dl=0

My processing and crop were different, with surfing shots, the actual surf/wave provides important context.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipn74lo6fu2jb5g/PN_surfing_5872.jpg

Another wipeout:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x75vd7gk9mc239h/20170917_surfing_5875.NEF?dl=0

My rendition of that one.
BTW: that might be the better shot of the two.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipn74lo6fu2jb5g/PN_surfing_5872.jpg

Oops!!
Try this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4v4akvj9e57vqi/PN_surfing_5875.jpg


Needs to be cropped. How much is always a judgement call.


It was cropped. In my judgement just enough. I also changed the aspect ratio.
I also dealt with the CA and fringing which was contributing to color noise, and I didn’t use a heavy hand on the ACR Dehaze.

Your severe crops do not always benefit the image. What would you have cropped in the case of these two shots to get close to your originally shared image?
The crop you made on your originally shared rendition of *5672* is too tight, and removes most of the wave, any interpretation of energy in that wave, and the context of the surfer’s action. Having the complete image with the context of the wave, and surfer tells the whole story, including the wave energy the surfer is dealing with. Crop to just the surfer, and the entire image suffers. I believe that is what Ron was trying to tell you.


For over sixty five years, I have cropped images. i used to call it
image mining. I am not likely to stop now, unless the image doesn't call
for it. If I understand what you and Ron are saying about context, is
that more of the wave can show the context. As non-duffer I am looking
for the form of the surfer, as an abstraction. We are seeking a
different meaning from the same image.

If I cropped this image, it would convey a totally different feeling.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xjtalhb8vo60yrw/Sunflower%20Field.jpg?dl=0






BTW: I have been a surfer whenever the opportunity arrises for over 40 years, and I have been a more frequent, and enthusiastic Windsurfer since 1974.

Since I plan to do monochrome conversions, I am not overly concerned
about the color.

Monochrome might not be the best choice for surf shots, but who knows?


IMHO many sports shots can look more dynamic in monochrome. I am inot
intending my shots to sell location.


It always depends on the shot, how it is rendered, and presented.
Color is not always a tool to sell location, and as I said, B&W MIGHT not be the best choice for surfing shots.



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PeterN
 




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