HOYA SWALLOWS PENTAX !

In article ,
"William Graham" wrote:

To believe such a thing shows lack of basic
reasoning ability........

The refusal to consider alternative means of transportation shows that
people use their brains for making excuses much more than they use them
for making process.

In article ,
Ron Hunter wrote:

I find the whole idea of using public transportation VERY
restrictive, and confining.

I find the whole idea of being chained to a car so insane I just think
car people must be nuts or victims of advertising.

Around Thanksgiving, I was in NYC and the public trans there is
infinitely more convenient than owning a car even in rural parts of
America.

In article ,
Ron Hunter wrote:

Rebecca Ore wrote:
In article ,
Laurence Payne lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:57:15 GMT, Rebecca Ore
wrote:

The infrastructure of the US is auto-centric.
Yeah. It's going to come as an even bigger shock to you guys. But
you'll cope, as we all will have to.

I'm moving to England if I can. Otherwise, I'm staying in Philadelphia,
a wonderful place separated from Pittsburgh by Northern Alabama.

I visited Philly, once. Got out of town as fast as my rented car would
carry me, then avoided the city when I returned to the airport. How CAN
you stand the smell?

I used to live in NYC and in rural Virginia. The stench of rural life
beats any city any day.

Hi Ron,

It is freedom-centric. Most US residents just want to go where they want
to go, WHEN they want to go and don't want to wait on a bus, cab, or
subway. I find the whole idea of using public transportation VERY
restrictive, and confining.

That's because the public transportation system here is horrible. I don't
see much difference waiting on a bus than waiting in a car. At least in a
bus or a train I can read, work or do something but when driving I'm driving
and that's the end of it. Don't have that freedom here and I for one miss
it. I lived in Denmark for 3 years and they have one of the best public
transportation system in the world. I didn't own a car there and had no
reason to. But the "problem" is that you may actually have to move your
butt from place A to place B - as it getting up and walk for 5 minutes every
day, which seems to be a mortal sin hereg

I have fun every time I go to the grochery storey and there is a line of
lazies waiting to grab the nearest spot to park. I just enter the end of
the line and sit on the horn until the idiots start distributing into more
"distant" slots and actually might have to walk 2 or 3 meters further. I
may have saved a heartattack or two by nowbg
--
Arnor Baldvinsson
San Antonio, Texas

Rebecca Ore wrote:
In article ,
Ron Hunter wrote:

I find the whole idea of using public transportation VERY
restrictive, and confining.

I find the whole idea of being chained to a car so insane I just think
car people must be nuts or victims of advertising.

Around Thanksgiving, I was in NYC and the public trans there is
infinitely more convenient than owning a car even in rural parts of
America.

You are testimony to the the theory that living in NYC tends to make one
somewhat less than rational.

Owning a car in NYC (and many large cities) is not practical. However,
NOT owning a car in places like Beeville, Tx. is worse than not
practical, it is probably fatal unless one can hire a full time
caregiver. My sister lives 6 miles from the nearest grocery store,
Doctor, pharmacy, etc. She is 76 years old. I doubt she would be able
to ride a bicycle 12 miles to get groceries, or to take her brother in
law who lives across the highway to his many doctor's appointments in
Corpus Christi, or San Antonio.

The US is a very large country, and many millions of people live in
areas where public transportation doesn't exist. I was 23 years old
before I had my first Taxi ride. I was driving at 14. Lifestyles are
different depending on conditions. What makes sense in NYC isn't likely
to make so much sense in rural Pennsylvania.

Arnor Baldvinsson wrote:
Hi Ron,

It is freedom-centric. Most US residents just want to go where they want
to go, WHEN they want to go and don't want to wait on a bus, cab, or
subway. I find the whole idea of using public transportation VERY
restrictive, and confining.

That's because the public transportation system here is horrible. I don't
see much difference waiting on a bus than waiting in a car. At least in a
bus or a train I can read, work or do something but when driving I'm driving
and that's the end of it. Don't have that freedom here and I for one miss
it. I lived in Denmark for 3 years and they have one of the best public
transportation system in the world. I didn't own a car there and had no
reason to. But the "problem" is that you may actually have to move your
butt from place A to place B - as it getting up and walk for 5 minutes every
day, which seems to be a mortal sin hereg

I have fun every time I go to the grochery storey and there is a line of
lazies waiting to grab the nearest spot to park. I just enter the end of
the line and sit on the horn until the idiots start distributing into more
"distant" slots and actually might have to walk 2 or 3 meters further. I
may have saved a heartattack or two by nowbg

I bet that really makes you popular! BTW, give some thought to this.
There are some of us who can't walk for 5 minutes. Even so, I don't
wait for a parking place to open up, I just park a bit farther away. I
really get annoyed when I am walking from a distant parking place and
pass a handicapped space and see some obviously able-bodied man or woman
whip into the space, and dash into the store for a pack of cigarettes.
I hope they remember that when they are old, or ill, and NEED one of
those spaces, and some idiot is doing the same thing they did.

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"Ron Hunter" wrote

I visited Philly, once. Got out of town as fast as [I could]

Smell, I didn't notice. Rudest city I have ever been in though.

Funny how city slogans tell you just what is wrong with the city:

Cleveland:
"Best Location in the Nation"
Should be: "Unarguably one of the worst locations in the Nation"

"Cleveland Rocks"
Should be: "There's No Surf in Cleveland"

New York:

"I Love NY"
Should be: "You don't want to live here"

"The City that Never Sleeps"
Should be: "You Will Get No Sleep Because of the Noise"

Philadelphia:
"The City of Brotherly Love"
Should be: "The City of Cain and Able"

Los Vegas:
"What Happens Here, Stays Here"
Should be: "Your Money Stays Here"


I agree about the rudeness. I was parked at a gas station putting gas
in my rented car and a lady just backed into the car, and tried to push
my car back a few inches so she would have room to pull out of the
line... That with me standing there putting gas in the tank!
Considered giving her about a gallon up the....

Rebecca Ore wrote:
In article ,
Ron Hunter wrote:

Rebecca Ore wrote:
In article ,
Laurence Payne lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:57:15 GMT, Rebecca Ore
wrote:

The infrastructure of the US is auto-centric.
Yeah. It's going to come as an even bigger shock to you guys. But
you'll cope, as we all will have to.
I'm moving to England if I can. Otherwise, I'm staying in Philadelphia,
a wonderful place separated from Pittsburgh by Northern Alabama.
I visited Philly, once. Got out of town as fast as my rented car would
carry me, then avoided the city when I returned to the airport. How CAN
you stand the smell?

I used to live in NYC and in rural Virginia. The stench of rural life
beats any city any day.

Yes, farming areas can have their interesting smells, but crude oil and
dead fish beat any farming odor I have heard, and I grew up next to a
caged egg farm. I also grew up near Texas City, which has the same
crude oil and dead fish problem. Had a bit to do with leaving that area....

Bob Hickey wrote:
"Alan Browne" wrote in message
.. .
jeremy wrote:
"Alan Browne" wrote in message
The US auto industry has made (so far) over 6M vehicles capable of
burning E85 (85% ethanol; 15% gasoline). One issue is the price: you
pay almost the same for a gallon of E85 as you do for gasoline. But you
get 20 - 25% less miles per gallon when burning E85.

Using ethanol is part of a good substitution strategy, however the first
environmental tenant is "reduce".

Cheers,
Alan


I think the biggest problem with E-85 is not only hi
price and poor milage but the fact that it can't use the pipeline to ship
the stuff. Imagine an oil company having to buy a tractor/trailer for every
station for every day coming from say, Iowa to NY, and getting maybe 3 to 4
MPH As it is there are gas drops all over NY. They can place an order
when they close and expect to have full tanks before 6 AM. What happens
when they have to come from the midwest? Bob Hickey


Somehow the logic of putting 10% alcohol into gasoline and causing 20%
reduction in miles/gallon (the actual case with my E85 capable engine),
to save gasoline totally escapes me.

Rebecca Ore wrote:
In article ,
"William Graham" wrote:

To believe such a thing shows lack of basic
reasoning ability........

The refusal to consider alternative means of transportation shows that
people use their brains for making excuses much more than they use them
for making process.

Alternatives must satisfy the NEEDS of the person in question. Telling
an old person that he/she needs to get a bicycle to go 6 miles each way
to get groceries is NOT an alternative. Providing inexpensive
transportation to such a person may be, even though it seriously impacts
their independence, and regiments their lifestyle. I would HATE to live
in a city where I had to depend on the schedules of public transportation.