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"Annika1980" wrote in message ... If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users from jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced their dSLR last February and we still don't know the ship date or price. I've been wondering something. How long will it be before we start seeing the words "Minolta" and "vaporware" in the same posts? You just answreed your own question... |
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"Wesley Jansen" wrote in message link.net... "Tony" wrote in message . com... Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of a - "Hey guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon." Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just announced last week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros can catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics. Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like Canon people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of like the attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but nobody should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera, I'll wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and since it will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest offering of the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not taking anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon announces a truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN, who cares my Canons will always be better. It's not that the Nikon is crummy. -It sounds like a GREAT camera in a ton of ways. The problem is lies in the fact that they simply aren't keeping up. Canon is consistently out-pacing them in both development, production, and innovation. There are some exceptions to this...like Nikon's great idea of wireless transmission. But Canon is SO much faster to respond that it's just not an even field right now. This ends up meaning that for those who need, and can budget the high end stuff, there will be a natural tendency to gravitate toward Canon. Obviously not all. BUT... Ask this question: What is the incentive for Canon users to gravitate TO Nikon. Answer: Very little, if anything. The prevailing wind is now FROM Nikon TO Canon. Personally, I don't care what one uses. I am ONLY interested in this "race" as it benefits my needs (competition and it's effect on price and innovation available to me). Also, for those with piles of high end glass, the fact that Canon is the ONLY full-frame available means they HAVE to go Canon if they want to keep in line with their long-familiar lens performance and field of view. |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:57:34 +0000, Wesley Jansen wrote:
"Tony" wrote in message . com... Attempting to head off the loss of customers to Canon. Sort of a - "Hey guys - if you just hold on, we'll be here pretty soon." Like the new professional sports/news camera Nikon just announced last week in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics, so all those Nikon pros can catch --- Ooops! I guess that one is for the 2006 Winter Olympics. Well Tony, nothing's changed has it? Whatever, whenever Nikon does anything, it's trivial compared to the much idolized Canon. It's like Canon people are only concerned about who is perceived to be #1. Kind of like the attitude of some Americans who feel America is #1 and nobody, but nobody should dream of disputing this. Despite your gloomy and negative predictions about Nikon and its formidable new professional camera, I'll wager Nikon will do quite well with it. I'd love to have it, and since it will most likely be considerably less money than Canon's newest offering of the month, it has a much greater chance of getting into my bag. Not taking anything away from Canon, but it wears rather thin when Nikon announces a truly great new camera, and all we get from you is....YAWN, who cares my Canons will always be better. Amazing how pre-occupied with Nikon so many of the Canon adulators are, isn't it? -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "You know you're right! You're bloody well right! You've bloody got a right to say!" ~ Supertramp |
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Bill Hilton wrote:
From: "leo" Canon announces their new products a month, or two at the most, before they appear in the market. Nikon's doing the FUD more than half a year away, like the D70 and now the D2X. If you have a product like the 1Ds that's currently shipping you typically wouldn't announce the model replacing it (1Ds Mark II) until you're ready to start shipping. Otherwise sales would dry up for the existing model. Same deal with the 20D, they announce it and start shipping product within a couple of weeks, and suddenly the 10D looks like yesterday's news. If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users from jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced their dSLR last February and we still don't know the ship date or price. ...."this fall" (per their announcement). ....1149 UK Pounds (Jessops website in the UK), which is exorbitant. (All their prices are exorbitant compared to B&H, Adorama, etc... it looks to be about US$1200 to $1400... TBD). I've written to both Adorama and B&H and they do not have pricing as yet. Photokina should get us a refined estimate. Cheers, Alan -- -- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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Bill Hilton wrote:
From: "leo" Canon announces their new products a month, or two at the most, before they appear in the market. Nikon's doing the FUD more than half a year away, like the D70 and now the D2X. If you have a product like the 1Ds that's currently shipping you typically wouldn't announce the model replacing it (1Ds Mark II) until you're ready to start shipping. Otherwise sales would dry up for the existing model. Same deal with the 20D, they announce it and start shipping product within a couple of weeks, and suddenly the 10D looks like yesterday's news. If you don't have a product in that slot (if you're not competing with yourself) then you'd announce several months early since you aren't canibalizing your sales and also you might keep some of your base users from jumping ship to the competition. Minolta for example announced their dSLR last February and we still don't know the ship date or price. ...."this fall" (per their announcement). ....1149 UK Pounds (Jessops website in the UK), which is exorbitant. (All their prices are exorbitant compared to B&H, Adorama, etc... it looks to be about US$1200 to $1400... TBD). I've written to both Adorama and B&H and they do not have pricing as yet. Photokina should get us a refined estimate. Cheers, Alan -- -- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- |
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Dallas wrote:
Amazing how pre-occupied with Nikon so many of the Canon adulators are, isn't it? Even more amazing are the two who go on and on and on and..... -- John McWilliams "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein |
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Dallas wrote:
Amazing how pre-occupied with Nikon so many of the Canon adulators are, isn't it? Even more amazing are the two who go on and on and on and..... -- John McWilliams "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:51:08 -0700, Mark M wrote:
"S Lee" wrote in message ... Mark M choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking electrons to spell out: Come on Nikon! I'm pulling for ya! Again, at least part of that is because it'll compel the nice Canon stuff to be a little less expensive Which is the part I just LOVE! How much cheap Canon schtuff you bought lately? -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "You know you're right! You're bloody well right! You've bloody got a right to say!" ~ Supertramp |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:51:08 -0700, Mark M wrote:
"S Lee" wrote in message ... Mark M choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking electrons to spell out: Come on Nikon! I'm pulling for ya! Again, at least part of that is because it'll compel the nice Canon stuff to be a little less expensive Which is the part I just LOVE! How much cheap Canon schtuff you bought lately? -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "You know you're right! You're bloody well right! You've bloody got a right to say!" ~ Supertramp |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:14:57 -0700, Mark M wrote:
It's not that the Nikon is crummy. -It sounds like a GREAT camera in a ton of ways. The problem is lies in the fact that they simply aren't keeping up. Canon is consistently out-pacing them in both development, production, and innovation. There are some exceptions to this...like Nikon's great idea of wireless transmission. But Canon is SO much faster to respond that it's just not an even field right now. This ends up meaning that for those who need, and can budget the high end stuff, there will be a natural tendency to gravitate toward Canon. Obviously not all. BUT... Ask this question: What is the incentive for Canon users to gravitate TO Nikon. Answer: Very little, if anything. The prevailing wind is now FROM Nikon TO Canon. Personally, I don't care what one uses. I am ONLY interested in this "race" as it benefits my needs (competition and it's effect on price and innovation available to me). Also, for those with piles of high end glass, the fact that Canon is the ONLY full-frame available means they HAVE to go Canon if they want to keep in line with their long-familiar lens performance and field of view. Tell me something, is this about photography or is it a race to see who can have the most advanced camera first? -- Dallas www.dallasdahms.com "You know you're right! You're bloody well right! You've bloody got a right to say!" ~ Supertramp |
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