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Old August 9th 06, 03:25 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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http://www.photoxels.com/pr-pentax-pma2006.html




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Old August 9th 06, 03:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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In article 9IbCg.193820$S61.23745@edtnps90, m II wrote:
http://www.photoxels.com/pr-pentax-pma2006.html



Nothing new here - this is a six-month-old press release.

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Old August 9th 06, 02:20 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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http://www.photoxels.com/pr-pentax-pma2006.html




mike



Pentax has been a disappointment in the digital domain. Why mess with
Pentax when Nikon and Canon have the product on the shelves right now? It
is sad that an innovator like Pentax has become a third-tier player in
digital.


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Old August 9th 06, 05:05 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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In article ,
Pentax Fan wrote:

Meanwhile, Nikon produce yet another brilliant camera at a price point that
is going to sweep away the competition. If the Pentax K10D *was* actually
available now it would still take a beating from the new D80, when (if) it
finally *does* materialise it will be just another overpriced Pentax
anachronism - too little, far too late.


You're going to be eating those words in a month.
The D80 isn't on the shelves yet; by the time it is the K10D will be,
too, and at a lower price.
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Old August 9th 06, 05:09 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Pentax Fan wrote:


It has to be said, Pentax are *very* good at announcing stuff - but that's
about as far as it goes.

The 'new' K100 is yet another incarnation of the *istD/Ds/Ds2/DL (the only
difference is that each variant seems to get cheaper and nastier) with the
same old 6.1 mp sensor. Not that it's a 'bad' sensor - it's not, but all
the repackaging in the world can't disguise the fact that technology is old
enough to have been used by Noah. OK, so there is 'anti-shake' in its
latest guise, but that's hardly an earth shaking development.

What is needed is the long promised K10D - but in true Pentax tradition the
months pass by, and the camera remains firmly out of reach. The Pentax
faithful at dpreview are consoling themselves with assurances that it will
be available this September, but that conveniently overlooks the fact that
Pentax promised only to have a working demo available at Photokina, imo
there is far more chance of being whisked off to a far flung galaxy by a
passing Saturnine spaceship than of being able to purchase a K10D before
next spring/summer.


As I recall, Pentax promised release of the two new cameras in the
fall. Last I checked, it was still early August, which doesn't qualify
anywhere I know of, so any disappointment over their not hitting a
release date this time seems to be an internal deal.

If Pentax had the resources of Nikon or Canon, possibly your impatience
would be justified, but they don't.

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Old August 9th 06, 05:34 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"John Francis" wrote in message
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In article ,
Pentax Fan wrote:

Meanwhile, Nikon produce yet another brilliant camera at a price point
that
is going to sweep away the competition. If the Pentax K10D *was* actually
available now it would still take a beating from the new D80, when (if) it
finally *does* materialise it will be just another overpriced Pentax
anachronism - too little, far too late.


You're going to be eating those words in a month.
The D80 isn't on the shelves yet; by the time it is the K10D will be,
too, and at a lower price.



Pentax (to be fair) have never said that their K10D would be available for
purchase in September - or even this year, for that mater. It's the anxious
faithful who have persuaded themselves that it will be so

As for 'on the shelves in a month' , not-a-dogs-chance

My point is that Pentax, always first to accept the party invitation and
always the last to arrive, will find the other guests leaving (clutching
their new Nikon's) by the time they bother to show up.


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Old August 10th 06, 08:28 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Pentax has been a disappointment in the digital domain.

To some, perhaps, particualrly at the high end. But not to those
seeking high quality but low cost options.

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Old August 10th 06, 08:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Marc Sabatella
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Default A 10 and 18 MP Pentax....very nice...

The 'new' K100 is yet another incarnation of the *istD/Ds/Ds2/DL (the
only difference is that each variant seems to get cheaper and nastier)
with the same old 6.1 mp sensor. Not that it's a 'bad' sensor - it's
not, but all the repackaging in the world can't disguise the fact that
technology is old enough to have been used by Noah. OK, so there is
'anti-shake' in its latest guise, but that's hardly an earth shaking
development.


Maybe not earth-shattering, but something Canon & Nikon don't offer.
The only way to get this on their systems is to buy into a whole new set
of expensive lenses.

In any case, some of us buy cameras not because of how new the
technology is, but how well it works...

Meanwhile, Nikon produce yet another brilliant camera at a price point
that is going to sweep away the competition. If the Pentax K10D *was*
actually available now it would still take a beating from the new D80


A beating in terms of sales figures, sure, that's likely. Just as the
D50 probably outsells the DL. Doesn't make it a better camera by any
means.

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Old August 10th 06, 09:54 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"Marc Sabatella" wrote:

Pentax has been a disappointment in the digital domain.


To some, perhaps, particualrly at the high end. But not to those
seeking high quality but low cost options.



The same comments apply to the film domain. After the MX and LX, the
only serious (semi-)pro Pentax SLR was the MZ-S, and that was the
******* child of the proposed 6 MP full-frame MZ-D that never saw the
light of day thanks to the exceptionally noisy chip that would have
been shared with the Contax N Digital.

Thankfully, Pentax survived, which is more than can be said for
Contax.

Pentax, Minolta/Sony and Olympus, are all firmly in the consumer-grade
DSLR market. Let no-one be under any illusions; these brands do not
sell to pros and never will, because they cannot possibly hope to sell
enough high-end bodies to justify the cost of their development.

So if Pentax, Minolta/Sony and Olympus users are hoping for high end
bodies to compete with the Nikon D2X or Canon EOS 1D(s) Mk II, they
should forget their dreams and buy Nikon or Canon. Sony's dream of
one day competing with Nikon is just that - a dream.

There is a chance that the 645-based Pentax 18 MP DSLR will sell to
pros, as the 645 film SLRs still have a wide pro following. But the
35mm-based Pentax (and Minolta/Sony) DSLRs will only ever appeal to
low-end amateurs for the reasons I stated above.

The Four Thirds DSLRs from Olympus, Panasonic and Leica might have
some pro appeal because of the optical excellence of the Zuiko and
Leica Digital glass. However, the sensor size has proved to be
severely limiting. There cannot be much hope of a good, low noise 10+
MP Four Thirds DSLR for a year or two at least, and perhaps never.


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Old August 11th 06, 12:45 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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In article ,
Tony Polson wrote:
"Marc Sabatella" wrote:

Pentax has been a disappointment in the digital domain.


To some, perhaps, particualrly at the high end. But not to those
seeking high quality but low cost options.



The same comments apply to the film domain. After the MX and LX, the
only serious (semi-)pro Pentax SLR was the MZ-S, and that was the
******* child of the proposed 6 MP full-frame MZ-D that never saw the
light of day thanks to the exceptionally noisy chip that would have
been shared with the Contax N Digital.


You've got that backwards. The MZ-D was the ******* child of the MZ-S.
The MZ-S was a last sop to the traditional film user who wanted the same
old-style controls as the MZ series of cameras, not the body-mounted
aperture controls of the semi-pro Pentax you missed - the PZ-1p.

Pentax, Minolta/Sony and Olympus, are all firmly in the consumer-grade
DSLR market. Let no-one be under any illusions; these brands do not
sell to pros and never will, because they cannot possibly hope to sell
enough high-end bodies to justify the cost of their development.


The same could have been said of Canon 30 years ago. If you are
prepared to put a big enough investment in professional services,
etc., you can buy the market. Pros have no brand loyalty; they'll
buy whatever is cost effective to get the job done. Not that I
expect Pentax to go after that market, at least in a K-mount body.

So if Pentax, Minolta/Sony and Olympus users are hoping for high end
bodies to compete with the Nikon D2X or Canon EOS 1D(s) Mk II, they
should forget their dreams and buy Nikon or Canon. Sony's dream of
one day competing with Nikon is just that - a dream.


There is a chance that the 645-based Pentax 18 MP DSLR will sell to
pros, as the 645 film SLRs still have a wide pro following. But the
35mm-based Pentax (and Minolta/Sony) DSLRs will only ever appeal to
low-end amateurs for the reasons I stated above.


Pentax have cameras to sell to the advanced amateur (aka prosumer),
and seem to want to stay in that market. They'll never compete for
the 1Ds or D2X purchasers, but there's enough of a market selling
to the potential D200/30D customer for that to be worthwhile, as
well as a chance to compete for new first-time DSLR purchasers.

The Four Thirds DSLRs from Olympus, Panasonic and Leica might have
some pro appeal because of the optical excellence of the Zuiko and
Leica Digital glass. However, the sensor size has proved to be
severely limiting. There cannot be much hope of a good, low noise 10+
MP Four Thirds DSLR for a year or two at least, and perhaps never.



 




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