Sony tells DSLR shooters they're idiots

In article , Alan Browne
says...
f/16 x 1/125 - sunny
f/11 x 1/125 - part cloudy
f/8 x 1/125 - cloudy

etc.. ...

As a kid that's all I needed....

Doesn't this rule depend on location and time? The sun in Sweden is
different from the sun in the tropics, and the sun at noon different
from the sun in the evening.
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Alfred Molon
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:03:49 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote:

In article , Alan Browne
says...
f/16 x 1/125 - sunny f/11 x 1/125 - part cloudy f/8 x 1/125 -
cloudy

etc.. ...

As a kid that's all I needed....

Doesn't this rule depend on location and time? The sun in Sweden is
different from the sun in the tropics, and the sun at noon different
from the sun in the evening.

It also depends on the speed of the film.



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Neil
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"Neil Ellwood" wrote in message
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:03:49 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote:

In article , Alan Browne
says...
f/16 x 1/125 - sunny f/11 x 1/125 - part cloudy f/8 x 1/125 -
cloudy

etc.. ...

As a kid that's all I needed....

Doesn't this rule depend on location and time? The sun in Sweden is
different from the sun in the tropics, and the sun at noon different
from the sun in the evening.

It also depends on the speed of the film.


That *is* based on the film speed. The "sunny 16" rule is f16 at 1/125 for
100 speed film....200 speed would be 1/250...400 speed would be 1/500 etc.

On 11/24/12 10:59 PM, in article , "Gary
Eickmeier" wrote:


"Mort" wrote in message
...

When I started, Kodachrome was ASA 10, and we used a small circular
cardboard exposure guide, e.g. sunny and no clouds = 1/60th at f 6.3. That
was not too successful, and I was pleased when the Weston meter first was
available, especially with the dome attachment for incident readings =
good for faces.

Today, I meet many people with fancy DSLR cameras who never heard of an f
stop or a shutter speed. They use them as Ph.D. cameras, = Push here

We got away with a lot of sins on exposure in the film days because of the
latitude it had. They could correct for a few stops of exposure error. In
digital we have instant results, but it has to be pretty much right on or
there are problems.

Gary Eickmeier


I don't know about that. RAW is pretty damn forgiving.

On 11/24/12 11:04 PM, in article ,
"nospam" wrote:

In article , Gary Eickmeier
wrote:

We got away with a lot of sins on exposure in the film days because of the
latitude it had. They could correct for a few stops of exposure error. In
digital we have instant results, but it has to be pretty much right on or
there are problems.

it's the other way around. film has *less* latitude and is less
forgiving of errors. digital lets people be sloppy, because it's
relatively easy to fix things in post.

Correct. And let me add that Kodachrome was the NARROWEST in latitude. You
had to be right on the correct exposure.

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:00:58 +0100, Alfred Molon
wrote:

In article , PeterN
says...
The so called rules are starting points. Strict adherence would classify
photography as a craft, not an art.

Yes, although part of photography is indeed a craft.

The same can be said for painting, sculpture, or any other art form.
If you don't understand how to use the tools, whatever they are, you
can't create.

On 2012.11.25 03:03 , Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , Alan Browne
says...
f/16 x 1/125 - sunny
f/11 x 1/125 - part cloudy
f/8 x 1/125 - cloudy

etc.. ...

As a kid that's all I needed....

Doesn't this rule depend on location and time? The sun in Sweden is
different from the sun in the tropics, and the sun at noon different
from the sun in the evening.

With color or B&W film it was generally accurate enough.


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"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald

On 2012.11.25 04:14 , Neil Ellwood wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:03:49 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote:

In article , Alan Browne
says...
f/16 x 1/125 - sunny f/11 x 1/125 - part cloudy f/8 x 1/125 -
cloudy

etc.. ...

As a kid that's all I needed....

Doesn't this rule depend on location and time? The sun in Sweden is
different from the sun in the tropics, and the sun at noon different
from the sun in the evening.

It also depends on the speed of the film.

Of course. That list was for the "root" ISO which to me was always 100
(even if using 25, start with that list and then open up (aperture or
speed) by 2 stops).

--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald

On 2012.11.25 00:04 , nospam wrote:
In article , Gary Eickmeier
wrote:

We got away with a lot of sins on exposure in the film days because of the
latitude it had. They could correct for a few stops of exposure error. In
digital we have instant results, but it has to be pretty much right on or
there are problems.

it's the other way around. film has *less* latitude and is less
forgiving of errors. digital lets people be sloppy, because it's
relatively easy to fix things in post.

Color negative has oodles of latitude on the high side. B&W for less
than critical use is very forgiving as well.

Slide film is very restrained.

--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald

On 2012.11.24 16:38 , Anthony Polson wrote:

What saves the pro shooter is that very few amateurs have the faintest
idea how to shoot good images, something that is confirmed here on a
regular, monthly basis by the entries to the Shoot-In.

Indeed - we've never seen a competent photo from you. Only poorly
exposed, badly composed grainy train shots and laughable "product" shots
not worthy of a craigslist advert.

We've never seen your "Paris Match Cover" photo either.

So for all your blathering, authoritative sounding off and attacking
those who actually take photos, you continue to prove your complete and
utter lack of ability as a photographer.

--
"There were, unfortunately, no great principles on which parties
were divided – politics became a mere struggle for office."
-Sir John A. Macdonald