Dpreview loses its nerve, scores 5DIII same as D800!!!

They have to be kidding.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/cano...5d-mark-iii/29

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/30

On Tue, 22 May 2012 20:03:30 -0500, Rich wrote:

They have to be kidding.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/cano...5d-mark-iii/29

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/30

Why? Because each cam has it's own strengths and weaknesses, and that
they see a balance? I think they came to the corect conclusion.

BTW, check the "DR" page. Surprising, to say the least.

On Thu, 24 May 2012 06:48:05 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On May 23, 8:37*am, Bowser wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2012 20:03:30 -0500, Rich wrote:
They have to be kidding.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/cano...5d-mark-iii/29

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/30

Why? Because each cam has it's own strengths and weaknesses, and that
they see a balance? I think they came to the corect conclusion.

By most measures the D800/E is the better camera. It should have won.

If you base the value of the camera on the sensor alone, yes. But when
you throw in the AF, metering, speed, and handling, it's a tossup. If
you read the D800 review they make no bones about it: you need to take
great care when shooting in order to get the most out of that
beautiful sensor.


BTW, check the "DR" page. Surprising, to say the least.

Will do.

Bowser wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 06:48:05 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On May 23, 8:37*am, Bowser wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2012 20:03:30 -0500, Rich wrote:
They have to be kidding.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/cano...5d-mark-iii/29

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/30

Why? Because each cam has it's own strengths and weaknesses, and that
they see a balance? I think they came to the corect conclusion.

By most measures the D800/E is the better camera. It should have won.

If you base the value of the camera on the sensor alone, yes. But when
you throw in the AF, metering, speed, and handling, it's a tossup.

Whatever you say, but few people seem to agree.

If
you read the D800 review they make no bones about it: you need to take
great care when shooting in order to get the most out of that
beautiful sensor.

You have to take care with *any* sensor.

If one takes X amount of care with a camera that has a
lower resolution and gets an X quality image... that is
at least what the D800 would also produce. Of course,
with the D800 adding a bit more care will in fact get
more quality, while with some other camera that might
not happen.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

On 25/05/2012 10:21 PM, Bruce wrote:
wrote:
On May 24, 6:35 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 06:48:05 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On May 23, 8:37 am, wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2012 20:03:30 -0500, wrote:
They have to be kidding.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/cano...5d-mark-iii/29

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d800-d800e/30

Why? Because each cam has it's own strengths and weaknesses, and that
they see a balance? I think they came to the corect conclusion.

By most measures the D800/E is the better camera. It should have won.

If you base the value of the camera on the sensor alone, yes. But when
you throw in the AF, metering, speed, and handling, it's a tossup. If
you read the D800 review they make no bones about it: you need to take
great care when shooting in order to get the most out of that
beautiful sensor.


I'm hoping the buyers of such a camera won't be sloppy when shooting
with it. Precision (as defined here by mp's) means you need to
operate the thing within a tight set of parameters. Whereas the Canon
can be used more cavalierly as its sensor is not nearly as fine. But
in most cases, when you shoot with it correctly, it will produce
better results than the Canon. That tips the balance in its favour
and that is why it is the better camera.


I'm surprised that you, of all people, omitted to mention DPReview's
long-standing strong bias towards Canon, which dates from long before
Amazon bought DPReview.

DPReview's verdicts on Nikon equipment have always been lukewarm,
whereas they get very excited indeed about Canon products. Many
people believed that DPReview was funded by Canon or somehow in
Canon's pocket, although I personally doubt that. It is more likely
that Phil Askey is a Canon fanboi.

We will never know, but the pro-Canon bias seems to have remained.


I was surprised when I read the reviews and could not understand how
they concluded the results.

There were so many things which did not compare.

In article , Bruce
wrote:

I'm surprised that you, of all people, omitted to mention DPReview's
long-standing strong bias towards Canon, which dates from long before
Amazon bought DPReview.

there isn't any such bias.

DPReview's verdicts on Nikon equipment have always been lukewarm,
whereas they get very excited indeed about Canon products. Many
people believed that DPReview was funded by Canon or somehow in
Canon's pocket, although I personally doubt that. It is more likely
that Phil Askey is a Canon fanboi.

bull**** and phil hasn't done reviews for a long time.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond3/34
If there is an EOS-1Ds Mark III - bating 'D3X' coming this year it
will have quite a job to do to better the D3; possibly the most
compelling, capable and well-rounded professional digital SLR ever
made.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond3x/33
However, if you can afford the D3X, you will buy yourself the best
image detail that's currently on the market and a very versatile
photographic tools...Therefore, despite its eye-watering price tag,
the Nikon D3X without a shadow of doubt earns itself our highest
award.

We will never know, but the pro-Canon bias seems to have remained.

it was never there, except in the minds of bashers.

Simple solution, is for Rich to open his own review website.


--
Mike

On Fri, 25 May 2012 13:21:13 +0100, Bruce
wrote:




I'm surprised that you, of all people, omitted to mention DPReview's
long-standing strong bias towards Canon, which dates from long before
Amazon bought DPReview.

Utter nonsense. They have given Nikon gear glowing reviews pretty
consistently since Nikon upgraded their sensors. I'd love to see your
proof of this claim.

On Fri, 25 May 2012 20:06:06 +0100, Bruce
wrote:

Bowser wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 13:21:13 +0100, Bruce
wrote:
I'm surprised that you, of all people, omitted to mention DPReview's
long-standing strong bias towards Canon, which dates from long before
Amazon bought DPReview.

Utter nonsense. They have given Nikon gear glowing reviews pretty
consistently since Nikon upgraded their sensors. I'd love to see your
proof of this claim.


It was discussed many, many times on Usenet's photo newsgroups.

Lots of things are discussed on usenet that bear no resembalce to
reality. For me this is just one more instance of "fanboy colored
glasses."


A search on Google Groups will take only a few minutes of your time
and provide all the "proof" that any intelligent person would need.

See above...


Whether it is enough for you is of course moot. ;-)

See above. Usenet discussion frequency means nothing. I'd like for you
to show me a review of Nikon gear on DP Review that you think was
unfair. Just one.

(...theme from Jeopardy plays in the background...)

Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
Bowser wrote:

If you base the value of the camera on the sensor alone, yes. But when
you throw in the AF, metering, speed, and handling, it's a tossup.

Whatever you say, but few people seem to agree.

Lets see: RichA, you, a couple Nikon fanboys ... the rest
seem to agree.

If
you read the D800 review they make no bones about it: you need to take
great care when shooting in order to get the most out of that
beautiful sensor.

You have to take care with *any* sensor.

Nope.

If one takes X amount of care with a camera that has a
lower resolution and gets an X quality image... that is
at least what the D800 would also produce.

Unfortunately, the AF and FPS are not up to the task in the
D800, so the D800 produces worse, if at all.

Of course,
with the D800 adding a bit more care will in fact get
more quality, while with some other camera that might
not happen.

Yep, properly framing a soccer goal being shot, with critical
focus and tripod and all is no problem with the D800 ... if you
have enough cold spray to freeze everyone long enough. If you
travel lighter than that, you need to walk another path.


The D800 is an amazing camera ... but it's not better in
everything.

-Wolfgang