ARCHIVAL CDs - 300 YEARS LIFE!

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In 300 years time after the "great burn" technology will be outlawed
as

the

root of all evil.We will go back to living with the plough and the
sword.


Have you read "A Canticle for Leibowitz"?

You should...


found it on amazon.

also a link to novice. One of the black magician novels. I read the first
mammoth book called magician. Funnily enough in that one they battle the
tsurranni. Who don't have metal on their own world but make a fearsome one
out of glass fibre.



For magical fantasy, I prefer Glen Cook; either the Black Company or
Garrett stories.

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Sander Vesik wrote:

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So what size floppies did you have when everybody who had floppies used
8 inch ones?


Probably like me, didn't have a computer of his own. Very few PCs came
with an 8" floppy drive, that was pretty much a "roll your own" sort of
deal.

When people finally were able to buy a ready made computer, the 5-1/4"
drive was standard.

Well ... granted that my computers were initially kits. But I
used a mix of 8" and 5.25" floppies on the main system (four of each at
the peak).

And my first unix computer used *only* 8" floppies, and I still
have the distribution media -- 11 8" floppies.

Enjoy.
DoN.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:54:31 GMT, no_name
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Sander Vesik wrote:

In rec.photo.equipment.35mm ian wrote:

"Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote in message
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"ian" wrote

Like 8 inch floppies? Used to have stacks and stacks of them.

no i mean ubiquitous. in eveyone has them. unlike 8 inch floppies.



So what size floppies did you have when everybody who had floppies used
8 inch ones?


Probably like me, didn't have a computer of his own. Very few PCs came
with an 8" floppy drive, that was pretty much a "roll your own" sort of
deal.

I had and still have a commercial computer. It was an Ohio Scientific
C2-8P with a 6502, 48K of dynamic ram that cost more than this whole
64 bit computer, and dual 320K 8" Siemans (sp?) floppies that ran all
the time. It's still in the basement. $4,000 for the computer and
drives. No keyboard, monitor, or printer came with the basic set up.


When people finally were able to buy a ready made computer, the 5-1/4"
drive was standard.

OSIs were available at least a year or more before the 5 1/4s became
common. They were even available in a rack mount complete with a 10
Meg HD.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

According to Roger :
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:54:31 GMT, no_name
wrote:

Sander Vesik wrote:

[ ... ]

So what size floppies did you have when everybody who had floppies used
8 inch ones?


Probably like me, didn't have a computer of his own. Very few PCs came
with an 8" floppy drive, that was pretty much a "roll your own" sort of
deal.

I had and still have a commercial computer. It was an Ohio Scientific
C2-8P with a 6502, 48K of dynamic ram that cost more than this whole
64 bit computer, and dual 320K 8" Siemans (sp?) floppies that ran all
the time. It's still in the basement. $4,000 for the computer and
drives. No keyboard, monitor, or printer came with the basic set up.

Hmm ... IIRC, that machine was the one which was available with
three CPUs -- your 6502, the Motorola 6800, and either the Zilog Z80 or
the Intel 8080 (I forget which).

It was also available with a physically large hard drive, 8" or
14" IIRC.


When people finally were able to buy a ready made computer, the 5-1/4"
drive was standard.

OSIs were available at least a year or more before the 5 1/4s became
common. They were even available in a rack mount complete with a 10
Meg HD.

Aha -- that was the Shugart 8" hard drive. I've actually got one
of those around here still, I think. :-) It was one of the drives which
would work on my first 68000 based unix computer -- the COSMOS CMS-16/UNX.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 27 Aug 2006 21:33:22 GMT, (DoN. Nichols)
wrote:

According to Roger :
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:54:31 GMT, no_name
wrote:

Sander Vesik wrote:

[ ... ]

So what size floppies did you have when everybody who had floppies used
8 inch ones?


Probably like me, didn't have a computer of his own. Very few PCs came
with an 8" floppy drive, that was pretty much a "roll your own" sort of
deal.

I had and still have a commercial computer. It was an Ohio Scientific
C2-8P with a 6502, 48K of dynamic ram that cost more than this whole
64 bit computer, and dual 320K 8" Siemans (sp?) floppies that ran all
the time. It's still in the basement. $4,000 for the computer and
drives. No keyboard, monitor, or printer came with the basic set up.

Hmm ... IIRC, that machine was the one which was available with
three CPUs -- your 6502, the Motorola 6800, and either the Zilog Z80 or
the Intel 8080 (I forget which).

Close, the one you are thinking of was the C-3 in a 6' rack cabinet.
:-)) My C2-8P is in two 10" tall cabinets. One for the computer and
PS with the other for the two 8" floppies.

snip
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

According to Roger :
On 27 Aug 2006 21:33:22 GMT, (DoN. Nichols)
wrote:

According to Roger :

[ ... ]

I had and still have a commercial computer. It was an Ohio Scientific
C2-8P with a 6502, 48K of dynamic ram that cost more than this whole
64 bit computer, and dual 320K 8" Siemans (sp?) floppies that ran all
the time. It's still in the basement. $4,000 for the computer and
drives. No keyboard, monitor, or printer came with the basic set up.

Hmm ... IIRC, that machine was the one which was available with
three CPUs -- your 6502, the Motorola 6800, and either the Zilog Z80 or
the Intel 8080 (I forget which).

Close, the one you are thinking of was the C-3 in a 6' rack cabinet.
:-)) My C2-8P is in two 10" tall cabinets. One for the computer and
PS with the other for the two 8" floppies.

O.K. Those were the days when I was using the MITS Altair 680b
(not the 8800 which was more common), and then moving up to the SWTP
6800 with floppies. I used the 680b with punched tape, audio cassettes,
and digital cassettes with my own wire-wrapped interface and my own
home-written drivers.

It wasn't until I got the SWTP 6809 that I first added a hard
disk -- and ran a mix of DOS-69 and OS-9.

Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 28 Aug 2006 21:51:41 GMT, (DoN. Nichols)
wrote:

Apparently both of us passed 21 a longgggg time ago.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
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O.K. Those were the days when I was using the MITS Altair 680b
(not the 8800 which was more common), and then moving up to the SWTP
6800 with floppies. I used the 680b with punched tape, audio cassettes,
and digital cassettes with my own wire-wrapped interface and my own
home-written drivers.

It wasn't until I got the SWTP 6809 that I first added a hard
disk -- and ran a mix of DOS-69 and OS-9.


oh those were the days "press play on tape"

then waiting half an hour while your tv went psycadelic and made noises that
would make a Bat's eyes water. Sometimes you had to rewind the tape and
start again.

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300 years into the future who knows, technology could very well be
vastly
superior and able to decipher all kinds of stuff. Then again mankind
may
just cease to exist sooner then that time, so what will it matter?

In 300 years time after the "great burn" technology will be outlawed
as
the
root of all evil.We will go back to living with the plough and the
sword.

Sorry, but you can't make ploughs and swords without technology.....A
decent
one of either requires a steel mill and Bessemer converter. This is
technology with a capitol "T".....

You don't know much archaeology, do you Bill...?



Peter

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"Greg "_"" wrote in message
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[SNIP]

300 years into the future who knows, technology could very well be
vastly
superior and able to decipher all kinds of stuff. Then again
mankind
may
just cease to exist sooner then that time, so what will it matter?

In 300 years time after the "great burn" technology will be outlawed
as
the
root of all evil.We will go back to living with the plough and the
sword.

Sorry, but you can't make ploughs and swords without technology.....A
decent
one of either requires a steel mill and Bessemer converter. This is
technology with a capitol "T".....

You don't know much archaeology, do you Bill...?



Peter


Not too much. - But I know that if you tried to plant and harvest the
millions of tons of corn, wheat, and soybeans that we produce every year in
the Midwest, (which feeds the whole world) without modern equipment, you'd
be watching a hell of a lot of people starve to death the following
year.....
I used to work with a guy who spent a Summer living on the top of some
mesa in Arizona.....He extolled the virtues of the hippie life, living free,
without modern conveniences, and eating from the land without pesticides and
etc....I asked him what he did when someone there got sick. "Oh, we had a
doctor living there with us", he said...."And what huge stainless steel
hospital was he trained at" ? I asked.....At this point, he became more
quiet...."And where were the drugs he prescribed made?, (I asked).......Have
you ever seen a drug companies assembly line? If you think you were living
free, without modern conveniences, and the trappings of a modern society,
you are just kidding yourself......"
People a few hundred years ago only had lifetimes about 1/2 what they
have today....They would die of blood poisoning just because they stepped on
a sharp rock while walking down a horse path. As a matter of fact, if it
hadn't been for the discovery of penicillin during my lifetime, I would have
died back in 1953 myself.....