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Olympus Leads the Japanese MILC Run
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:56:31 -0800, Savageduck
wrote: On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote (in article ): On 2018-01-17 12:08:55 +0000, Savageduck said: On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote (in article ): On 2018-01-17 06:55:24 +0000, Savageduck said: On Jan 16, 2018, android wrote (in article : It's still a prosumer game... http://www.canonrumors.com/bcn-ranki...inues-to-domin at e-d slrs-further-growth-in-mirrorless/ http://tinyurl.com/y9ukoluy BCN - Barcelona Airport does camera rankings for Canon Rumors? That figures. From the about on the Business Computer News, BCN homepage: Activities Research and report on IT market Managing IT industrial news website "BCN Bizline" Company marketing and related material development So it's an IT oriented newservice... OKI? Aah, IT oriented news service, folks who don’t do much photography. An old calculator can sum up sales figures. FujiFilm ain't even on the map back in their homeland apperantly... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Solar-calculator.jpg Who cares about sales figures? I do, along with lots of other people - for example, Pentax users. It's already become a problem, with fewer and fewer 3d party lens makers, for instance. And it's not just the 3d parties, if Pentax itself folds, there is no more support for anything, and no future at all. The bottom line is, having a camera which delivers great IQ, and performance while being enjoyable to use. For me Fujifilm delivers that without the over the top pricing of Canon, Nikon, and Sony. This is from somebody who has spent considerable cash on Nikon DSLRs and glass. I think Fuji is a considerably more robust than Pentax, so you shouldn't have to worry. |
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On 2018-01-17 19:41:19 +0000, Bill W said:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:56:31 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote (in article ): On 2018-01-17 12:08:55 +0000, Savageduck said: On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote (in article ): On 2018-01-17 06:55:24 +0000, Savageduck said: On Jan 16, 2018, android wrote (in article : It's still a prosumer game... http://www.canonrumors.com/bcn-ranki...inues-to-domin at e-d slrs-further-growth-in-mirrorless/ http://tinyurl.com/y9ukoluy BCN - Barcelona Airport does camera rankings for Canon Rumors? That figures. From the about on the Business Computer News, BCN homepage: Activities Research and report on IT market Managing IT industrial news website "BCN Bizline" Company marketing and related material development So it's an IT oriented newservice... OKI? Aah, IT oriented news service, folks who don’t do much photography. An old calculator can sum up sales figures. FujiFilm ain't even on the map back in their homeland apperantly... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Solar-calculator.jpg Who cares about sales figures? I do, along with lots of other people - for example, Pentax users. It's already become a problem, with fewer and fewer 3d party lens makers, for instance. And it's not just the 3d parties, if Pentax itself folds, there is no more support for anything, and no future at all. The bottom line is, having a camera which delivers great IQ, and performance while being enjoyable to use. For me Fujifilm delivers that without the over the top pricing of Canon, Nikon, and Sony. This is from somebody who has spent considerable cash on Nikon DSLRs and glass. I think Fuji is a considerably more robust than Pentax, so you shouldn't have to worry. Maybe they should merge? Fuji is the holy mountain of Japan and some Japanese could consider it heresy to put that name on a camera, and some mainland Asians may have some lingering bitterness since the WWII and might avoid such a brand for that association. Pentax OTOH is a brand of heritage and used to be popular with the masses world wide... -- teleportation kills |
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On Jan 17, 2018, Bill W wrote
(in ): On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:56:31 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote (in article ): On 2018-01-17 12:08:55 +0000, Savageduck said: On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote (in article ): On 2018-01-17 06:55:24 +0000, Savageduck said: On Jan 16, 2018, android wrote (in article : It's still a prosumer game... http://www.canonrumors.com/bcn-ranki...ntinues-to-dom in at e-d slrs-further-growth-in-mirrorless/ http://tinyurl.com/y9ukoluy BCN - Barcelona Airport does camera rankings for Canon Rumors? That figures. From the about on the Business Computer News, BCN homepage: Activities Research and report on IT market Managing IT industrial news website "BCN Bizline" Company marketing and related material development So it's an IT oriented newservice... OKI? Aah, IT oriented news service, folks who don’t do much photography. An old calculator can sum up sales figures. FujiFilm ain't even on the map back in their homeland apperantly... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Solar-calculator.jpg Who cares about sales figures? I do, along with lots of other people - for example, Pentax users. It's already become a problem, with fewer and fewer 3d party lens makers, for instance. And it's not just the 3d parties, if Pentax itself folds, there is no more support for anything, and no future at all. I agree. The financial health of any consumer oriented business is dependant on sales. Photographers, pro, enthusiasts, and snap-shooters are the target consumer groups being carved up by the various camera maufacturers. However, there are other factors at play with the various production philosophies, and the cameras on offer to us, the folks feeding those corporations. In the case of Pentax, there is only Pentax to blame for their current precarious position. ....and the inroads into the photography consumer pie that cameras in smart phones have made cannot be denied. I have nothing against Pentax, as a teenager my first SLR was a Pentax. The only 35mm cameras I own today are a K1000, and a 49 year old Yashica Electro35. When I made the move to the digital world I was drawn to what Nikon had to offer, because Yashica had died, and Pentax had nothing to offer which matched Nikon, or Canon at that time. Currently it is Fujifilm which meets my photography needs, both from an economic, and a cost perspective. I might well have moved to Olympus, but Fujifilm with the quality glass available, and their Kaizen philosophy adding value, and function with firmware updates/upgrades has gained my following. Pentax might have regained my following if they had offered a product to push me back into their fold. As to what the future holds for them, and their slice of the pie without some sort of paradigm shift on their part, I could not say. For me, Fujifilm made that paradigm shift 6 years ago and ran with it, gaining me three years ago. Nikon is vanishing over the horizon of unaffordability. The bottom line is, having a camera which delivers great IQ, and performance while being enjoyable to use. For me Fujifilm delivers that without the over the top pricing of Canon, Nikon, and Sony. This is from somebody who has spent considerable cash on Nikon DSLRs and glass. I think Fuji is a considerably more robust than Pentax, so you shouldn't have to worry. Sadly, I have to agree, though it would be nice to see Pentax do something exciting, there is just too much from the photographic past that is gone. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Olympus Leads the Japanese MILC Run
In article , PeterN says...
And sales volume has little relationship to the IQ, and photography techniques. Sales volume data is better posted in an investment discussion group. The thread is on topic. It's about digital cameras. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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Olympus Leads the Japanese MILC Run
On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote
(in article ): On 2018-01-17 19:41:19 +0000, Bill W said: On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:56:31 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote (in article ): On 2018-01-17 12:08:55 +0000, Savageduck said: On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote (in article ): On 2018-01-17 06:55:24 +0000, Savageduck said: On Jan 16, 2018, android wrote (in article : It's still a prosumer game... http://www.canonrumors.com/bcn-ranki...ontinues-to-do min at e-d slrs-further-growth-in-mirrorless/ http://tinyurl.com/y9ukoluy BCN - Barcelona Airport does camera rankings for Canon Rumors? That figures. From the about on the Business Computer News, BCN homepage: Activities Research and report on IT market Managing IT industrial news website "BCN Bizline" Company marketing and related material development So it's an IT oriented newservice... OKI? Aah, IT oriented news service, folks who don’t do much photography. An old calculator can sum up sales figures. FujiFilm ain't even on the map back in their homeland apperantly... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Solar-calculator.jpg Who cares about sales figures? I do, along with lots of other people - for example, Pentax users. It's already become a problem, with fewer and fewer 3d party lens makers, for instance. And it's not just the 3d parties, if Pentax itself folds, there is no more support for anything, and no future at all. The bottom line is, having a camera which delivers great IQ, and performance while being enjoyable to use. For me Fujifilm delivers that without the over the top pricing of Canon, Nikon, and Sony. This is from somebody who has spent considerable cash on Nikon DSLRs and glass. I think Fuji is a considerably more robust than Pentax, so you shouldn't have to worry. Maybe they should merge? Nope! Fuji is the holy mountain of Japan and some Japanese could consider it heresy to put that name on a camera, They haven’t, and it doesn’t look like they would. The company is Fujifilm, not Fuji, and in Japan there are hundreds, if not thousands of products and businesses with “Fuji” in their names. and some mainland Asians may have some lingering bitterness since the WWII and might avoid such a brand for that association. So far that does not seem to have happened. Fujifilm is doing just fine in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, even Australia. Pentax OTOH is a brand of heritage and used to be popular with the masses world wide... Sadly yes. My K1000 will attest to that. However, Fujifilm has a photographic, imaging, and optics heritage as long, if not longer than Pentax. http://www.fujifilm.com/about/history/corporate_history/ ....and now we have the spectre of a full Fuji Xerox merger. http://fortune.com/2018/01/11/xerox-deal-talk-fujifilm-japan/ -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Olympus Leads the Japanese MILC Run
On 1/17/2018 1:33 AM, android wrote:
It's still a prosumer game... http://www.canonrumors.com/bcn-rankings-are-out-canon-continues-to-dominate-dslrs-further-growth-in-mirrorless/ http://tinyurl.com/y9ukoluy I think it's interesting that this topic goes on and on about camera makes *other* than Olympus. I take it that there aren't many (if any) Olympus users in this group, so I'll chime in with my 2 cents. In film cameras, I have 3 makes: Olympus, Leica and Rolleiflex. I was always drawn to Olympus' superior technology when it came to compact design (OM-1, very durable, compact and reliable) metering (OM-4 is unique in this respect), and image quality. Its lenses aren't the best that I have, but then I have lenses for my Leica and Rollei that each cost more than a few entire Olympus kits. However, unlike my Zeiss, Leica and Schneider lenses, the Olympus' delivers consistent contrast over the range of stops. I realize this implies some compromises, but it makes it easier to use DOF as the primary variable when framing and shooting. In digital cameras, I have Nikon and Olympus. The Olympus is superior in every way, from the available options to the structure of its menu, making significant changes easy and fast. So, it doesn't surprise me in the least that those who are dedicated to photography find themselves drawn to the Olympus line. -- best regards, Neil |
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Olympus Leads the Japanese MILC Run
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:46:56 -0800, Savageduck
wrote: On Jan 17, 2018, Bill W wrote (in ): On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:56:31 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote (in article ): On 2018-01-17 12:08:55 +0000, Savageduck said: On Jan 17, 2018, android wrote (in article ): On 2018-01-17 06:55:24 +0000, Savageduck said: On Jan 16, 2018, android wrote (in article : It's still a prosumer game... http://www.canonrumors.com/bcn-ranki...ntinues-to-dom in at e-d slrs-further-growth-in-mirrorless/ http://tinyurl.com/y9ukoluy BCN - Barcelona Airport does camera rankings for Canon Rumors? That figures. From the about on the Business Computer News, BCN homepage: Activities Research and report on IT market Managing IT industrial news website "BCN Bizline" Company marketing and related material development So it's an IT oriented newservice... OKI? Aah, IT oriented news service, folks who don’t do much photography. An old calculator can sum up sales figures. FujiFilm ain't even on the map back in their homeland apperantly... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Solar-calculator.jpg Who cares about sales figures? I do, along with lots of other people - for example, Pentax users. It's already become a problem, with fewer and fewer 3d party lens makers, for instance. And it's not just the 3d parties, if Pentax itself folds, there is no more support for anything, and no future at all. I agree. The financial health of any consumer oriented business is dependant on sales. Photographers, pro, enthusiasts, and snap-shooters are the target consumer groups being carved up by the various camera maufacturers. However, there are other factors at play with the various production philosophies, and the cameras on offer to us, the folks feeding those corporations. In the case of Pentax, there is only Pentax to blame for their current precarious position. ...and the inroads into the photography consumer pie that cameras in smart phones have made cannot be denied. I have nothing against Pentax, as a teenager my first SLR was a Pentax. The only 35mm cameras I own today are a K1000, and a 49 year old Yashica Electro35. When I made the move to the digital world I was drawn to what Nikon had to offer, because Yashica had died, and Pentax had nothing to offer which matched Nikon, or Canon at that time. Currently it is Fujifilm which meets my photography needs, both from an economic, and a cost perspective. I might well have moved to Olympus, but Fujifilm with the quality glass available, and their Kaizen philosophy adding value, and function with firmware updates/upgrades has gained my following. Pentax might have regained my following if they had offered a product to push me back into their fold. As to what the future holds for them, and their slice of the pie without some sort of paradigm shift on their part, I could not say. For me, Fujifilm made that paradigm shift 6 years ago and ran with it, gaining me three years ago. Nikon is vanishing over the horizon of unaffordability. The bottom line is, having a camera which delivers great IQ, and performance while being enjoyable to use. For me Fujifilm delivers that without the over the top pricing of Canon, Nikon, and Sony. This is from somebody who has spent considerable cash on Nikon DSLRs and glass. I think Fuji is a considerably more robust than Pentax, so you shouldn't have to worry. Sadly, I have to agree, though it would be nice to see Pentax do something exciting, there is just too much from the photographic past that is gone. I bought my first real (film) camera around 1990. I believe Pentax, Canon & Nikon were the big 3, with Pentax being the "value" choice. As time went on, it started to look like Pentax was fading as an option for serious photography. But it happened slowly, and my collection of Pentax stuff grew, so it became increasingly expensive to switch. Countless people are in the same boat, and I suppose we'll all move over at some point. I wish I had taken more interest earlier than I did. I might have understood that lenses made for digital have serious benefits, and it would have been less painful to switch brands when I switched to digital. I don't think Pentax has any chance to recover. Oh well, maybe when it's finally time, AF in the ILC's will catch up to the Canikon DSLR's, and the wait will have been beneficial. I still like shooting fast things. |
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On Jan 17, 2018, Neil wrote
(in article ): On 1/17/2018 1:33 AM, android wrote: It's still a prosumer game... http://www.canonrumors.com/bcn-ranki...es-to-dominate -dslrs-further-growth-in-mirrorless/ http://tinyurl.com/y9ukoluy I think it's interesting that this topic goes on and on about camera makes *other* than Olympus. I take it that there aren't many (if any) Olympus users in this group, so I'll chime in with my 2 cents. I believe we have one or two regulars in this NG who are Olympus users. The majority are divided between Nikon and Canon. In film cameras, I have 3 makes: Olympus, Leica and Rolleiflex. I was always drawn to Olympus' superior technology when it came to compact design (OM-1, very durable, compact and reliable) metering (OM-4 is unique in this respect), and image quality. Its lenses aren't the best that I have, but then I have lenses for my Leica and Rollei that each cost more than a few entire Olympus kits. However, unlike my Zeiss, Leica and Schneider lenses, the Olympus' delivers consistent contrast over the range of stops. I realize this implies some compromises, but it makes it easier to use DOF as the primary variable when framing and shooting. As I said earlier, my film cameras are currently a Pentax K1000, and a Yashica Electro35. I envy your Leica, and Rolleiflex. In digital cameras, I have Nikon and Olympus. The Olympus is superior in every way, from the available options to the structure of its menu, making significant changes easy and fast. In the digital World I was first drawn to Nikon, and when it came time to move on, Olympus was for me a viable option along with Fujifilm. After considerable head scratching and making comparisons, I decided on Fujifilm for many of the same reasons you have stuck with Olympus. I have only been a Fujifilm user for three years, and I could not be happier with my choice. Had I decided on Olympus three years ago I have no doubt that I would have been just as happy. So, it doesn't surprise me in the least that those who are dedicated to photography find themselves drawn to the Olympus line. To be fair, those dedicated to photography find themselves, for different reasons, drawn to the entire spectrum of great image producing machines including, but not limited to Olympus, Fujifilm, Nikon, Canon, Leica, PhaseOne, Panasonic, Sony, Pentax, Hasselblad, and others. It is just that many of us, pro, or enthusiast have made our choices, and in some cases have made a considerable investment in cameras, and glass. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 1/17/2018 10:53 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 17, 2018, Neil wrote (in article ): On 1/17/2018 1:33 AM, android wrote: It's still a prosumer game... http://www.canonrumors.com/bcn-ranki...es-to-dominate -dslrs-further-growth-in-mirrorless/ http://tinyurl.com/y9ukoluy I think it's interesting that this topic goes on and on about camera makes *other* than Olympus. I take it that there aren't many (if any) Olympus users in this group, so I'll chime in with my 2 cents. I believe we have one or two regulars in this NG who are Olympus users. The majority are divided between Nikon and Canon. In film cameras, I have 3 makes: Olympus, Leica and Rolleiflex. I was always drawn to Olympus' superior technology when it came to compact design (OM-1, very durable, compact and reliable) metering (OM-4 is unique in this respect), and image quality. Its lenses aren't the best that I have, but then I have lenses for my Leica and Rollei that each cost more than a few entire Olympus kits. However, unlike my Zeiss, Leica and Schneider lenses, the Olympus' delivers consistent contrast over the range of stops. I realize this implies some compromises, but it makes it easier to use DOF as the primary variable when framing and shooting. As I said earlier, my film cameras are currently a Pentax K1000, and a Yashica Electro35. I envy your Leica, and Rolleiflex. In digital cameras, I have Nikon and Olympus. The Olympus is superior in every way, from the available options to the structure of its menu, making significant changes easy and fast. In the digital World I was first drawn to Nikon, and when it came time to move on, Olympus was for me a viable option along with Fujifilm. After considerable head scratching and making comparisons, I decided on Fujifilm for many of the same reasons you have stuck with Olympus. I have only been a Fujifilm user for three years, and I could not be happier with my choice. Had I decided on Olympus three years ago I have no doubt that I would have been just as happy. So, it doesn't surprise me in the least that those who are dedicated to photography find themselves drawn to the Olympus line. To be fair, those dedicated to photography find themselves, for different reasons, drawn to the entire spectrum of great image producing machines including, but not limited to Olympus, Fujifilm, Nikon, Canon, Leica, PhaseOne, Panasonic, Sony, Pentax, Hasselblad, and others. It is just that many of us, pro, or enthusiast have made our choices, and in some cases have made a considerable investment in cameras, and glass. No doubt that brand choices are made for various reasons, and some of the makes are comparable in most ways. I was fortunate, in that all of my kits paid for themselves through the work that I did with them. In terms of image quality, I think that lenses make the biggest difference. In the digital world, I'd say that ease of use is pretty important, since they're all less efficient than film cameras. So, control placement, menu structure, and a well thought out user interface are the most important factors to me. I've never been a fan of autofocus, finding it more of a compositional hindrance than a benefit. When combined with a varifocal lens, the camera becomes pretty useless to me. So, my choices are mostly for the least frustrating kits! -- best regards, Neil |
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On Jan 18, 2018, Neil wrote
(in article ): On 1/17/2018 10:53 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jan 17, 2018, Neil wrote (in article ): On 1/17/2018 1:33 AM, android wrote: It's still a prosumer game... http://www.canonrumors.com/bcn-ranki...nues-to-domina te -dslrs-further-growth-in-mirrorless/ http://tinyurl.com/y9ukoluy I think it's interesting that this topic goes on and on about camera makes *other* than Olympus. I take it that there aren't many (if any) Olympus users in this group, so I'll chime in with my 2 cents. I believe we have one or two regulars in this NG who are Olympus users. The majority are divided between Nikon and Canon. In film cameras, I have 3 makes: Olympus, Leica and Rolleiflex. I was always drawn to Olympus' superior technology when it came to compact design (OM-1, very durable, compact and reliable) metering (OM-4 is unique in this respect), and image quality. Its lenses aren't the best that I have, but then I have lenses for my Leica and Rollei that each cost more than a few entire Olympus kits. However, unlike my Zeiss, Leica and Schneider lenses, the Olympus' delivers consistent contrast over the range of stops. I realize this implies some compromises, but it makes it easier to use DOF as the primary variable when framing and shooting. As I said earlier, my film cameras are currently a Pentax K1000, and a Yashica Electro35. I envy your Leica, and Rolleiflex. In digital cameras, I have Nikon and Olympus. The Olympus is superior in every way, from the available options to the structure of its menu, making significant changes easy and fast. In the digital World I was first drawn to Nikon, and when it came time to move on, Olympus was for me a viable option along with Fujifilm. After considerable head scratching and making comparisons, I decided on Fujifilm for many of the same reasons you have stuck with Olympus. I have only been a Fujifilm user for three years, and I could not be happier with my choice. Had I decided on Olympus three years ago I have no doubt that I would have been just as happy. So, it doesn't surprise me in the least that those who are dedicated to photography find themselves drawn to the Olympus line. To be fair, those dedicated to photography find themselves, for different reasons, drawn to the entire spectrum of great image producing machines including, but not limited to Olympus, Fujifilm, Nikon, Canon, Leica, PhaseOne, Panasonic, Sony, Pentax, Hasselblad, and others. It is just that many of us, pro, or enthusiast have made our choices, and in some cases have made a considerable investment in cameras, and glass. No doubt that brand choices are made for various reasons, and some of the makes are comparable in most ways. I was fortunate, in that all of my kits paid for themselves through the work that I did with them. In terms of image quality, I think that lenses make the biggest difference. I have always been an enthusiast/hobbyist, never a pro, and you are correct, lenses make the biggest difference. In the digital world, I'd say that ease of use is pretty important, since they're all less efficient than film cameras. So, control placement, menu structure, and a well thought out user interface are the most important factors to me. ....and that is one of the characteristics of the Fujifilm X-Series that I find appealing. I've never been a fan of autofocus, finding it more of a compositional hindrance than a benefit. When combined with a varifocal lens, the camera becomes pretty useless to me. So, my choices are mostly for the least frustrating kits! I have several (4) Fujinon primes, and I find that I use MF much more than with my Nikon DSLRs. The thing which makes MF so easy for me is the Focus Peaking feature. Currently my most used lenses are the XF16mm f/1.4, and the XF23mm f/2.0. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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