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  #21  
Old May 19th 10, 01:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 May 2010 09:16:01 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2010-05-18 05:29:38 -0700, Bruce said:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:12:29 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:

On 2010-05-18 00:41:41 -0700, Bruce said:

On Mon, 17 May 2010 16:45:41 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:

You have confused "private property" with "private place." An
airplane,
cruise ship, restaurant, sports stadium, or garden might well be
private property. But they are public places -- open to the general
public. As such, the burden of proof is on you to show that you have
a
reasonable expectation of privacy in such places.


Everyone should beware amateur "legal experts" who post on Usenet
newsgroups.

ROFL! Such as yourself, you mean?


On the contrary, because I shoot images for a living, I have to know
where I stand in relation to the law. As a result, I pay for, and
take account of, specialist legal advice.

You, on the other hand, can give all the BS advice you want, because
you haven't any experience to tell you just how wrong you are. You
are completely out of touch with reality.


Actually, I also pay for specialist legal advice.

Okay, so my lawyer disagrees with your lawyer.



Mine is one of the UK's top intellectual property lawyers who also
lectures in IP law at two Ivy League universities and at the UK's top
law school.

I emailed him a copy of this thread. He called me to thank me for
giving him his best laugh so far in 2010 (it was your comments that he
found especially amusing) and asked me if he could use the discussion
in his lectures as a particularly good illustration of people's
ignorance about the law. I said that appeared to be almost a
definition of "fair use" and he laughed even more ...

You are truly hilarious. Congratulations!




If he was half the expert you claim him to be he would have pointed out that
laws differ in different jurisdictions.
IOW....................................


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  #22  
Old May 19th 10, 01:09 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"nospam" wrote in message
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In article , J. Clarke
wrote:

US law does not apply to Chinese airlines doing business in the Far East.


neither does the opinion of a lawyer from the uk.



Assuming that one really exists.

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  #23  
Old May 19th 10, 01:38 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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In article , Peter
wrote:

US law does not apply to Chinese airlines doing business in the Far East.


neither does the opinion of a lawyer from the uk.


Assuming that one really exists.


i'm sure there are lawyers in the uk
  #24  
Old May 19th 10, 02:30 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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"nospam" wrote in message
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In article , Peter
wrote:

US law does not apply to Chinese airlines doing business in the Far
East.

neither does the opinion of a lawyer from the uk.


Assuming that one really exists.


i'm sure there are lawyers in the uk



I think they are called barristers and solicitors.

Thinking about the female barrister who dropped her briefs and became a
solicitor. duck

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  #25  
Old May 19th 10, 02:58 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
C J Campbell[_2_]
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On 2010-05-18 17:07:40 -0700, "Peter" said:

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 May 2010 09:16:01 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2010-05-18 05:29:38 -0700, Bruce said:

On Tue, 18 May 2010 04:12:29 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:

On 2010-05-18 00:41:41 -0700, Bruce said:

On Mon, 17 May 2010 16:45:41 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:

You have confused "private property" with "private place." An airplane,
cruise ship, restaurant, sports stadium, or garden might well be
private property. But they are public places -- open to the general
public. As such, the burden of proof is on you to show that you have a
reasonable expectation of privacy in such places.


Everyone should beware amateur "legal experts" who post on Usenet
newsgroups.

ROFL! Such as yourself, you mean?


On the contrary, because I shoot images for a living, I have to know
where I stand in relation to the law. As a result, I pay for, and
take account of, specialist legal advice.

You, on the other hand, can give all the BS advice you want, because
you haven't any experience to tell you just how wrong you are. You
are completely out of touch with reality.

Actually, I also pay for specialist legal advice.

Okay, so my lawyer disagrees with your lawyer.



Mine is one of the UK's top intellectual property lawyers who also
lectures in IP law at two Ivy League universities and at the UK's top
law school.

I emailed him a copy of this thread. He called me to thank me for
giving him his best laugh so far in 2010 (it was your comments that he
found especially amusing) and asked me if he could use the discussion
in his lectures as a particularly good illustration of people's
ignorance about the law. I said that appeared to be almost a
definition of "fair use" and he laughed even more ...

You are truly hilarious. Congratulations!




If he was half the expert you claim him to be he would have pointed out
that laws differ in different jurisdictions.
IOW....................................


If he exists at all.
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  #26  
Old May 19th 10, 04:55 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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Bruce wrote:

On Wed, 19 May 2010 06:58:47 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2010-05-18 17:07:40 -0700, "Peter"

said:
If he was half the expert you claim him to be he would have

pointed out that laws differ in different jurisdictions.
IOW....................................


If he exists at all.



That's a pretty lame answer from someone who, just a couple of posts
ago, was dishing out "definitive advice".

Of course that turned out to be pure, 100% BS.

As for laws differing across the world, of course they do. But one
area of law where there is a welcome (though not total) degree of
convergence is that which relates to photography. The IP lawyer I
consulted has practised in London, Paris, New York and Hong Kong.



May we ask who this lawer is. Maybe, if he is that good someone here
may want to use his services. Please give us some info so we can look
him up.

MC
  #27  
Old May 19th 10, 07:40 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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In message , nospam
writes
In article , Chris H
wrote:

nonsense. absent a prohibition of photography, it is completely legal.


Not always.


ok, unless you are trespassing or where there's an expectation of
privacy, and an airline cabin does not qualify for either one.

countless people take photos inside and outside airplanes and at
airports every day. neither of these sites would be possible if it were
illegal:


It is not legal at all airports.


it is in the usa.

In fact some Brits got locked up for
taking pictures of aeroplanes at a civil airport....


the brits have a stick up their ass about photography in public.


It was not in the UK

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Old May 19th 10, 07:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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In message , Peter
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Thinking about the female barrister who dropped her briefs and became a
solicitor. duck


Very good... :-)
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Old May 19th 10, 09:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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In article , Bruce
wrote:

As for laws differing across the world, of course they do. But one
area of law where there is a welcome (though not total) degree of
convergence is that which relates to photography. The IP lawyer I
consulted has practised in London, Paris, New York and Hong Kong.


he's licensed to practice in all four??

bull****.
  #30  
Old May 19th 10, 11:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
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On 5/19/2010 4:24 PM, nospam wrote:
In , Bruce
wrote:

As for laws differing across the world, of course they do. But one
area of law where there is a welcome (though not total) degree of
convergence is that which relates to photography. The IP lawyer I
consulted has practised in London, Paris, New York and Hong Kong.


he's licensed to practice in all four??

bull****.


Regardless, London, New York, and Hong Kong all have legal systems based
on English Common Law--while the details are different in broad outline
they are much alike. Dunno about Paris, given that they've let the
Eiffel Tower people prevent anyone from shooting the Eiffel Tower at
night due to the copyright on the lights I would suspect that they were
a bit more restrictive.

I suspect that if he had experience in a Communist country or an Islamic
one that practices Sharia he'd have a different view.

 




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