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Big Bill wrote:
And you want to make it worse. No. Any stress on an economic system will ultimately make it worse. Balance is needed to remove stress. Consumption at current rates is a stress on the economy, mid east tension, the environment, etc. Greedy idiots went out of control in the interest of profits. It is inevitable that the house of cards will collapse and you can be sure that the greedy idiots won't help clean up the mess, be it environmental or economic. In the quotes from the newspapers I provided you can see the heavy hand of special interests trying to get their responsibilty for cleanup removed by their stooges in the US Congress. It is sad that "We the people" elect these representatives, but "We the greenback" tells those reps what to do when they get there... In the US, you are being raped be big money special interests. And you tax dollar is subsidizing their greed. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- slr-systems FAQ project: http://tinyurl.com/6m9aw -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:20:56 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote: Big Bill wrote: And you want to make it worse. No. Any stress on an economic system will ultimately make it worse. Balance is needed to remove stress. Consumption at current rates is a stress on the economy, mid east tension, the environment, etc. Greedy idiots went out of control in the interest of profits. It is inevitable that the house of cards will collapse and you can be sure that the greedy idiots won't help clean up the mess, be it environmental or economic. It'll be both. They finally just passed a bill to allow drilling in ANWAR, allegedly to promote energy independence. However, suggest to an oil executive that the output can only be used in America and he'll look at you as if you had two heads. If Uncle Mao puts in a higher bid than Uncle Sam, Sam can bend over and spread his cheeks. And the oil fat cats will get fatter. Screw your wilderness as long as China wants what's under it and can back up the want with bucks. In the quotes from the newspapers I provided you can see the heavy hand of special interests trying to get their responsibilty for cleanup removed by their stooges in the US Congress. It is sad that "We the people" elect these representatives, but "We the greenback" tells those reps what to do when they get there... In the US, you are being raped be big money special interests. And you tax dollar is subsidizing their greed. |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:11:33 -0700, Big Bill wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:11:41 GMT, wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:26:19 -0700, Big Bill wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:32:03 GMT, wrote: Similarly, I have know of a company which, when fuel was being switched to unleaded, cancelled their plans to buy a fleet of half-ton vans in favor of totally unneeded full-ton vans because the larger vehicles were still allowed to use the slightly cheaper leaded fuel. Damn the environment -- full business ahead. Why those, those sputter CAPITALISTS! How dare they even *THINK* of their bottom line! That's UnAmerican! Thank you for your heroic essay n social and environmental responsibility. Sometimes, when there's little actual benefit to the bottom line, it would be nice to consider other issues. Unless you think think ten cents to the bottom line is worth more than anything else on earth. I don't think you understand. Businesses don't run on morals, they run on money. I kno wyou'd like them to run on your morals, but I sugest you start your own business and rival the big boys, and see how well that works. Idealism makes for wondefful discussions, but when you start to think that ideals run business, you just don't understand reality. Amnd that's your problem he you want your ideals to be the basis of business (everyone's business) and it just won't happen. Certainly not while business is allowed to screw everyone in their path, including the entire USA, because they have no social obligation. While we're at it, let's get rid of those goddamned intrusive and restrictive child labor laws so our kids can start pulling their own weight like the kids in China and India. They're wasting fourteen years of precious productivity ****ing away their (and my) time in school until the age of eighteen, |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:11:33 -0700, Big Bill wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:11:41 GMT, wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:26:19 -0700, Big Bill wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:32:03 GMT, wrote: Similarly, I have know of a company which, when fuel was being switched to unleaded, cancelled their plans to buy a fleet of half-ton vans in favor of totally unneeded full-ton vans because the larger vehicles were still allowed to use the slightly cheaper leaded fuel. Damn the environment -- full business ahead. Why those, those sputter CAPITALISTS! How dare they even *THINK* of their bottom line! That's UnAmerican! Thank you for your heroic essay n social and environmental responsibility. Sometimes, when there's little actual benefit to the bottom line, it would be nice to consider other issues. Unless you think think ten cents to the bottom line is worth more than anything else on earth. I don't think you understand. Businesses don't run on morals, they run on money. I kno wyou'd like them to run on your morals, but I sugest you start your own business and rival the big boys, and see how well that works. Idealism makes for wondefful discussions, but when you start to think that ideals run business, you just don't understand reality. Amnd that's your problem he you want your ideals to be the basis of business (everyone's business) and it just won't happen. Certainly not while business is allowed to screw everyone in their path, including the entire USA, because they have no social obligation. While we're at it, let's get rid of those goddamned intrusive and restrictive child labor laws so our kids can start pulling their own weight like the kids in China and India. They're wasting fourteen years of precious productivity ****ing away their (and my) time in school until the age of eighteen, |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:07:49 -0700, Big Bill wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:22:03 GMT, wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:09:51 -0700, Big Bill wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:35:05 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: And you want to make sure they are outlawed? No, just tax them and the fuel they burn until nobody buys them. Ah, so you want to get all Hummers off the roads, including those that are used in businesses? The social and environmental costs are no different just because a business uses the vehicle. Notice that businesses can always afford things which the average consumer could nt justify on the basis of occasional need. So if the business really needs one of the guzzlers, let them pay in accordance with the social costs of their choice. And, of course, you are willing to visit the higher prices on commerce this would require on everyone, not just yourself. Sure, this is workable. In a police state, certainly not in the US. Lessee -- DNA sample taken at time of arrest in CA, not after conviction; audio/video surveillance (2 video; 4 audio) on all San Francisco municipal buses and streetcars; 2 video pickups on BART cars; bureaucrat says the tapes will be kept for 7 years; immediately available to police; 4-way video cameras at any intersection worth noticing; video every half mile or less on freeways. Jeez, I can hardly wait for the real police state to arrive. And just how do you propose to tax the gas for Hummers (and, I will suppose, other vehicles you don't like)? Let's stop the whining, and get down to brass tacks: how do you want to do this? Make a workable proposal, as I did in another post. Mere observation ability doesn't equate to a 'police state'. Only when that ability is used, in a general way, to oppress. Are you being oppressed? I thought not. Potential is not actual. If it were, the fact that you have a butcher knife in your kitchen would imply you intend to murder your family. -- Ron Hunter |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:07:49 -0700, Big Bill wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:22:03 GMT, wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:09:51 -0700, Big Bill wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:35:05 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: And you want to make sure they are outlawed? No, just tax them and the fuel they burn until nobody buys them. Ah, so you want to get all Hummers off the roads, including those that are used in businesses? The social and environmental costs are no different just because a business uses the vehicle. Notice that businesses can always afford things which the average consumer could nt justify on the basis of occasional need. So if the business really needs one of the guzzlers, let them pay in accordance with the social costs of their choice. And, of course, you are willing to visit the higher prices on commerce this would require on everyone, not just yourself. Sure, this is workable. In a police state, certainly not in the US. Lessee -- DNA sample taken at time of arrest in CA, not after conviction; audio/video surveillance (2 video; 4 audio) on all San Francisco municipal buses and streetcars; 2 video pickups on BART cars; bureaucrat says the tapes will be kept for 7 years; immediately available to police; 4-way video cameras at any intersection worth noticing; video every half mile or less on freeways. Jeez, I can hardly wait for the real police state to arrive. And just how do you propose to tax the gas for Hummers (and, I will suppose, other vehicles you don't like)? Let's stop the whining, and get down to brass tacks: how do you want to do this? Make a workable proposal, as I did in another post. Mere observation ability doesn't equate to a 'police state'. Only when that ability is used, in a general way, to oppress. Are you being oppressed? I thought not. Potential is not actual. If it were, the fact that you have a butcher knife in your kitchen would imply you intend to murder your family. -- Ron Hunter |
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In article ,
Ron Hunter wrote: . If it were, the fact that you have a butcher knife in your kitchen would imply you intend to murder your family. Since that is the weapon of choice in a majority of domestic assault cases. |
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:29:23 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:07:49 -0700, Big Bill wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:22:03 GMT, wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:09:51 -0700, Big Bill wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:35:05 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: And you want to make sure they are outlawed? No, just tax them and the fuel they burn until nobody buys them. Ah, so you want to get all Hummers off the roads, including those that are used in businesses? The social and environmental costs are no different just because a business uses the vehicle. Notice that businesses can always afford things which the average consumer could nt justify on the basis of occasional need. So if the business really needs one of the guzzlers, let them pay in accordance with the social costs of their choice. And, of course, you are willing to visit the higher prices on commerce this would require on everyone, not just yourself. Sure, this is workable. In a police state, certainly not in the US. Lessee -- DNA sample taken at time of arrest in CA, not after conviction; audio/video surveillance (2 video; 4 audio) on all San Francisco municipal buses and streetcars; 2 video pickups on BART cars; bureaucrat says the tapes will be kept for 7 years; immediately available to police; 4-way video cameras at any intersection worth noticing; video every half mile or less on freeways. Jeez, I can hardly wait for the real police state to arrive. You obviously have no idea of what a police state is. For starters, in a police state, you would have to justify your being on a street at all. If your excuse doesn't seem real to the police, you would be taken in for questioning. A questioning that could well leave you permanantly disfugured or crippled. Then, think about what "disappearing" means. in such a state. -- Bill Funk Change "g" to "a" |
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:23:27 GMT, Little Green Eyed Dragon
wrote: In article , Ron Hunter wrote: . If it were, the fact that you have a butcher knife in your kitchen would imply you intend to murder your family. Since that is the weapon of choice in a majority of domestic assault cases. Sure. Just like the AR-15 is the weapon of choice for all kinds of bad people, from terrorists to drug dealers to schoolground killers. Not! -- Bill Funk Change "g" to "a" |
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