Hidden costs in medium format?

"Stacey" wrote in message
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Mark Liddell wrote:


How do you guys cope with getting prints? Only shoot print film?

Uh yea, there's a reason it's called "print film". I think they call it
that because it's the kind of film you shoot if you are wanting prints.

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Stacey

Is that why most of the pros I see color prints from (at art shows and in
magazines) are from Velvia?

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(Mark Liddell) wrote in message
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I've just had a look at scanning costs for 6x7 though, around £50 a
scan!!

In fact, you should really look into buying a MF film scanner. With
some experience, you'll achieve very good quality; and ask for drum
scans only when you really need the best possible quality.
This is what I do, at least... I purchased a refurbished Polaroid
SS120 last year ($1100), and am very happy. After correcting my scans
(scanner profile, printer profile), I ask for prints to my lab, that
uses a Kodak hybrid printer (prints on chemical paper). Cheap and very
satisfying workflow.
For less important prints, proofs, experiments and so, I print myself
with an inkjet.

Bye!

Fer

Phil Stripling wrote in message ...
(Mark Liddell) writes:

I've only vey recently got into medium format and the 6x7
transparencies I've got back are pretty impressive comapred with 35mm.
I've just had a look at scanning costs for 6x7 though, around £50 a
scan!!

Which is a problem if you scan all your transparencies. I am curious why
you scan them all.

How do you guys cope with getting prints? Only shoot print film?

Prints? I am curious why you shoot transparencies, when you want prints?
And why scan, if you shoot film?

I have a file cabinet full of transparencies (35mm and 6x7), which are not
going to be scanned, and some few dozen Kodak Photo CDs of transparencies
which have been scanned for the Web. Much fewer than the total. I probably
have not had a dozen prints made from the slides, and those were for
payment to models who gave me a release in exchange for prints.

If you want lots of digital images, you probably are better off with a
digital camera. If you want lots of prints, you probably are better off
with print film.

What goal are you achieving shooting 6x7 trannies?

I shoot velvia 50, I have not yet found a comparible print film
alternative, any suggestions? All the print films I've tried never
have the fine grain and colours of velvia. I also hate the way labs
colour correct prints from print film, I want a print of *my* image
how *I* want it, not the way a lab operator thinks it should look
like.

(Mark Liddell) writes:


What goal are you achieving shooting 6x7 trannies?

I shoot velvia 50, I have not yet found a comparible print film
alternative, any suggestions? All the print films I've tried never
have the fine grain and colours of velvia. I also hate the way labs
colour correct prints from print film, I want a print of *my* image
how *I* want it, not the way a lab operator thinks it should look
like.

That's understandable. However, we leave unanswered why you're scanning. I
have gotten Ilfochrome prints from my slides, and the results can be
directly compared. However, with scans the ability to tweak and torque
means we can get anything we want -- using digital in the first place
leaves out the 'hidden' expenses of cost of film, cost of processing, and
cost of scanning.

I'm not sure that your comment answers the last question. What is it that
shooting 6x7 trannies does for you that 35mm or digital cannot? Your post
is about the whopping cost to scan the trannies, if I understand
correctly. (You haven't yet got to the cost of storing the digital images.)

While your answer addresses the color correctness of a print, it does not
tell me why you want the 6x7 trannies scanned (all of them?). The final
answer to your final comment is that if you want _your_ print of _your_
image the way _you_ want it, either print it yourself from the negative (or
tansparency) or print it yourself from the digital file. Getting good
Ilfochromes from RVP is difficult but rewarding, I agree. I used a guy who
did Ilfochrome prints and lived near my hometown. He used to show me a torn
up print or two for every print he did for me. If you use drugstore or
Costco labs, you get their prints; using a custom lab will get closer to
your idea. Work with one awhile and see what they can do for you.

I have read in this or the film+labs newsgroup, I'm sorry to say I've
forgotten which, that Agfa has a print film with color staturation similar
to RVP, but I've also read in this group that it is being discontinued
in medium format; hence, what does shooting in 6x7 solve that 35mm doesn't?
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"Matt Clara" wrote in message . ..
"Stacey" wrote in message
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Mark Liddell wrote:


How do you guys cope with getting prints? Only shoot print film?

Uh yea, there's a reason it's called "print film". I think they call it
that because it's the kind of film you shoot if you are wanting prints.

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Stacey

Is that why most of the pros I see color prints from (at art shows and in
magazines) are from Velvia?

"Print film" is probably not the best term to use, since
you can do prints from both negative and positive film.
Different processes, different chemistry, but you can
still get prints if you want them.

Kodak ditched R3000 recently, but Ilfochrome is still
going strong. I've been playing with it lately and really
like the results. Yeah, it's expensive, but if you want
to keep the brilliant colours of the original positive
images...

Stuff in the magazines is electronically reproduced,
scanned with a high-resolution drum scanner. You get the
bright colours, and maintain the quality of a first
generation image.

Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..."
ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Hospital/Shafte

Matt Clara wrote:


"Stacey" wrote in message
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Mark Liddell wrote:


How do you guys cope with getting prints? Only shoot print film?

Uh yea, there's a reason it's called "print film". I think they call it
that because it's the kind of film you shoot if you are wanting prints.

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Stacey

Is that why most of the pros I see color prints from (at art shows and in
magazines) are from Velvia?


Are they complaining about the costs of having prints made from velvia?
Also IMHO prints from velvia are -too much- but then again the general
public seems to like the oversaturated colors.
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Stacey

Laura Halliday wrote:


Kodak ditched R3000 recently, but Ilfochrome is still
going strong. I've been playing with it lately and really
like the results. Yeah, it's expensive, but if you want
to keep the brilliant colours of the original positive
images...



But the OP was complaining about costs! Prints from chromes have never been
the cheap way to get prints and sometimes trying to print a certain chrome
on ilfochrome paper can be a nightmare.

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Stacey

Mark Liddell wrote:

Phil Stripling wrote in message


What goal are you achieving shooting 6x7 trannies?

I shoot velvia 50, I have not yet found a comparible print film
alternative, any suggestions? All the print films I've tried never
have the fine grain and colours of velvia.

Well a 6X7 negative doesn't need -that- fine a grain to look great. Have you
tried some of the newest fuji 100asa print films?



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Stacey

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Stacey wrote:

but then again the general
public seems to like the oversaturated colors.

There are alot of photographers like that too,
to the point of disregarding subject and
good compositional practices. Give me a well done
B&W image any day. Oh well color it can be a living!
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Stacey wrote in message ...

But the OP was complaining about costs! Prints from chromes have never been
the cheap way to get prints and sometimes trying to print a certain chrome
on ilfochrome paper can be a nightmare.

Try reading the post *I* was responding to, which had
raised a side issue.

At the cost I pay for Ilfochrome paper and P30 chemistry
locally, I can do 20 to 25 prints for the cost of one
of the original poster's scans.

Is that not cheap enough?

Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..."
ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Hospital/Shafte