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25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)



 
 
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Old November 5th 08, 04:58 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc
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Default 25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)


"Carl_Devonston" wrote in message
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:26:30 -0500, "B?wser" wrote:

Wow. Thanks to this post, I expect to see all those big white and black
lenses at the football games, PJ events, etc start to disappear and soon!
Now that they know that a simple P&S will do a better job at capturing
pro
football than their silly SLRs, why would they keep them?


As they improve and as more people realize how much more efficient they
are for
all purposes, then yes you will see D/SLRs disappear. Just as you saw all
view-cameras disappear nearly a century ago at all major events.

Get it?

If not, then perhaps you should stand in the bleachers at the next
sporting
event holding a view-camera on a heavy wooden tripod, with your
flash-powder
tray in the other hand, both lofted high above your head. Then maybe
you'll
begin to understand why it's only a matter of time, maybe only a couple
years,
before your beloved, though ancient, D/SLR designs completely disappear
from
common usage.

Get it yet?


Actually, if you were using such a rig (view camera/tripod/flash-powder),
you could get a photo of truly amazing quality. It would completely depend
on your personal talent and skill, including an intimate knowledge of the
sport in question, so that you could predict where the action is likely to
be. You just wouldn't be able to shoot 30 frames per second, hoping that one
of them might be a winner.

I frequently shot football games from the sidelines with a KoniOmega 6x7 and
a potato-masher strobe. The trick is very simple: pre-focus on the near
hash-mark, and wait for the action to cross that point.


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Old November 5th 08, 06:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc
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Default 25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:08:22 GMT, Steve wrote:

Hell, you may even see electronic shutters
although those compromise image quality so maybe not. But if they can
figure out how to do them without compromising image quality, then why
not?


Where on earth did you get this nonsense?

They already have them in P&S cameras that don't compromise anything in image
quality. High-speed full-frame captures up to 1/40,000 of a second without any
scanned bands of the sensor being read off the chip, as used to exist in all
DSLR electronics. See this photo for DSLR sensor readout technology at work
with high-speed objects.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ch...ut_anomaly.jpg

It's not bad enough that focal-plane shutters have their own image-distorting
problems, but many of their sensors have this problem too.

The curved bars are the propeller being slowly scanned electronically in
horizontal banks across the sensor. That doesn't happen in any P&S cameras (that
I know of).

You people invent the silliest things to perpetuate on the net. No doubt due to
your experiences with the lame electronic architecture and hardware of your
DSLRs. You need to get out more and get away from that ancient camera design.

I wonder what other technology you're going to steal from P&S cameras to try to
make your DSLRs fully functional one day.


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Old November 5th 08, 09:53 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc
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Default 25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:33:35 -0500, B?wser wrote:


"tony cooper" wrote in message
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:46:12 -0600, Carl_Devonston
wrote:

Then maybe you'll
begin to understand why it's only a matter of time, maybe only a couple
years,
before your beloved, though ancient, D/SLR designs completely disappear
from
common usage.

You can have my gun, but you'll have to pry my dslr from my cold,
dead, hands.


DSLRs will disappear eventually, all tech changes. But to claim that they
can replace them now? Kinda silly...


What did photographers used to say, just a few years back about
film cameras versus digital?

It seems that about half of the argument against P&S cameras is
justified, and half of the argument is just a defensive posture of
the inevitable.
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Old November 5th 08, 10:42 PM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc
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Steve wrote:

You may see the current crop of DSLRs disappear years from now. But
you definitely won't see them replaced with P&S. Not if any serious
sports photographer wants to keep their job. But you'll see
convergance, which you're already seeing. DSLRs that have live-view,
HD video recording, etc. Things that were first introduced in P&S and
can be applied to a DSLR. Hell, you may even see electronic shutters
although those compromise image quality so maybe not.


You may see options for it, just like you can shoose live view and
contrast detection focusing or the optical viewfinder and phase
detection focusing.

But if they can
figure out how to do them without compromising image quality, then why
not?


That's the big issue. D-SLR owners are less willing to compromise on
image quality, which is inherent in electronic shutters.
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Old November 6th 08, 12:33 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:48:11 -0600, KenKenseth
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:08:22 GMT, Steve wrote:

Hell, you may even see electronic shutters
although those compromise image quality so maybe not. But if they can
figure out how to do them without compromising image quality, then why
not?


Where on earth did you get this nonsense?


Just because you don't know something doesn't make it false. The fact
is that if you take two sensors, one that has an electronic shutter
and one that does not, the one that does not will give you better
performance. It's because of the additional space taken up on the
substrate for the electronics needed for the electronic shutter. That
allows less room for light collecting pixels. If/when they put
sensors with electronic shutters that don't rob it of light
sensitivity you'll see them in more widespread use on high-end
cameras.

Steve
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Old November 6th 08, 03:03 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc
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KenKenseth wrote:

You people


Hi Vern.. Ken... Harvey... Real Pro... etc.
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Old November 6th 08, 03:34 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc
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Default 25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)


"KenKenseth" wrote in message
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:08:22 GMT, Steve wrote:

Hell, you may even see electronic shutters
although those compromise image quality so maybe not. But if they can
figure out how to do them without compromising image quality, then why
not?


Where on earth did you get this nonsense?

They already have them in P&S cameras that don't compromise anything in
image
quality. High-speed full-frame captures up to 1/40,000 of a second without
any
scanned bands of the sensor being read off the chip, as used to exist in
all
DSLR electronics. See this photo for DSLR sensor readout technology at
work
with high-speed objects.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ch...ut_anomaly.jpg

It's not bad enough that focal-plane shutters have their own
image-distorting
problems, but many of their sensors have this problem too.

The curved bars are the propeller being slowly scanned electronically in
horizontal banks across the sensor. That doesn't happen in any P&S cameras
(that
I know of).

You people invent the silliest things to perpetuate on the net. No doubt
due to
your experiences with the lame electronic architecture and hardware of
your
DSLRs. You need to get out more and get away from that ancient camera
design.

I wonder what other technology you're going to steal from P&S cameras to
try to
make your DSLRs fully functional one day.

You talk as if DSLRs and P&Ss are some sort of competing armies, fighting to
the death. This is nonsense. Camera companies are not stupid. The
appropriate technology is used in the appropriate place. As technology
advances camera design will change in the interest of improving capture and
image quality (and putting money into the manufacturer's pockets).

Toby


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Old November 6th 08, 03:37 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc
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Default 25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor typo corrections)


"B?wser" wrote in message
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"Carl_Devonston" wrote in message
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:26:30 -0500, "B?wser" wrote:

Wow. Thanks to this post, I expect to see all those big white and black
lenses at the football games, PJ events, etc start to disappear and soon!
Now that they know that a simple P&S will do a better job at capturing
pro
football than their silly SLRs, why would they keep them?


As they improve and as more people realize how much more efficient they
are for
all purposes, then yes you will see D/SLRs disappear. Just as you saw all
view-cameras disappear nearly a century ago at all major events.

Get it?


Yeah, sure. Call me when you see a Panasonic FZ28 show up on the sidelines
of a night football game. I shoot HS sports in weak lighting, and I need
to shoot at ISO 6400. Yeah. I get it.


You are obviously not a "Real Pro" like the OP. With a little more skill
perhaps he will soon be able to acquire his stunning images (none of which
has ever been seen) without a camera at all!

Toby


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Old November 6th 08, 04:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc
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On 5 Nov 2008 20:34:02 -0600, "Toby" wrote:

Camera companies are not stupid.


No, but typical amateur-photographer consumers, are.

Camera companies are all too willing to provide what those people will buy. Even
better if the camera company can produce something for $10 and sell it for $1000
dollars. As in the case of most DSLRs and all their required accessories. They
could sell any DSLR glass, L-Glass included, for under $100 a shot. But you? Not
knowing a thing, gleefully hand out your dough, just for the social-prestige of
promoting an antiquated technology. And attempting, but failing, to look like a
"Pro".

Ain't this fun.

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Old November 6th 08, 08:57 AM posted to rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc
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"Toby" wrote in message
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"B?wser" wrote in message
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"Carl_Devonston" wrote in message
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:26:30 -0500, "B?wser" wrote:

Wow. Thanks to this post, I expect to see all those big white and black
lenses at the football games, PJ events, etc start to disappear and
soon!
Now that they know that a simple P&S will do a better job at capturing
pro
football than their silly SLRs, why would they keep them?

As they improve and as more people realize how much more efficient they
are for
all purposes, then yes you will see D/SLRs disappear. Just as you saw
all
view-cameras disappear nearly a century ago at all major events.

Get it?


Yeah, sure. Call me when you see a Panasonic FZ28 show up on the
sidelines of a night football game. I shoot HS sports in weak lighting,
and I need to shoot at ISO 6400. Yeah. I get it.


You are obviously not a "Real Pro" like the OP. With a little more skill
perhaps he will soon be able to acquire his stunning images (none of which
has ever been seen) without a camera at all!

Toby


Spoken like a true non believer, he has them of course, lots of them but he
does not have to justify himself by showing them here. ;-)


 




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