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On 2/8/2009 11:18 AM Keith Tapscott. spake thus:
http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/5...me-change.html "Blazinal"? WTF?!?!?! Say it ain't so. It's still a crappy developer, compared to others that are easily available. (Does last a long time, I will give it that.) -- Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is "If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me". - lifted from sci.electronics.repair |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
It's still a crappy developer, compared to others that are easily available. (Does last a long time, I will give it that.) Personally, my favorite developer is FG7, formerly made by Edwal, then by Falcon Saftey Products, now made by someone else. Unfortuantely since it is now considered a hazmat for air travel, the only way I'll ever see it is to send bottle of it by boat. One or two I might be able to get in the country for personal use, but a case would require an import permit. Considering my choices for ready made developer are now limited (by looking around the one store that has anything approaching fresh), to HC-110 and a similar Tetnal concentrate, I'd would not be so harsh on Rodinal. Easily available is relative, and considering the shrinking developer market, you had better get used to it. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM |
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On 2/8/2009 9:09 PM Geoffrey S. Mendelson spake thus:
David Nebenzahl wrote: It's still a crappy developer, compared to others that are easily available. (Does last a long time, I will give it that.) Personally, my favorite developer is FG7, formerly made by Edwal, then by Falcon Saftey Products, now made by someone else. Unfortuantely since it is now considered a hazmat for air travel, the only way I'll ever see it is to send bottle of it by boat. One or two I might be able to get in the country for personal use, but a case would require an import permit. Considering my choices for ready made developer are now limited (by looking around the one store that has anything approaching fresh), to HC-110 and a similar Tetnal concentrate, I'd would not be so harsh on Rodinal. Easily available is relative, and considering the shrinking developer market, you had better get used to it. No, *you* had better get used to it. I live in a place (the U.S.) where one still has a reasonable choice of developers, not the weird sort of fortress that Israel apparently is. -- Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is "If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me". - lifted from sci.electronics.repair |
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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... David Nebenzahl wrote: It's still a crappy developer, compared to others that are easily available. (Does last a long time, I will give it that.) Personally, my favorite developer is FG7, formerly made by Edwal, then by Falcon Saftey Products, now made by someone else. Unfortuantely since it is now considered a hazmat for air travel, the only way I'll ever see it is to send bottle of it by boat. One or two I might be able to get in the country for personal use, but a case would require an import permit. Considering my choices for ready made developer are now limited (by looking around the one store that has anything approaching fresh), to HC-110 and a similar Tetnal concentrate, I'd would not be so harsh on Rodinal. Easily available is relative, and considering the shrinking developer market, you had better get used to it. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM How difficult is it to obtain the raw chemicals to make developer there? Some are considered hazardous materials. In the US there is a sort of paranoia about anything chemical even though you can buy really dangerous stuff for house cleaning at any grocery store. A variety of good developers can be made up with very few supplies. The main ones are sodium Sulfite, sodium carbonate, sodium hydroxide, borax (sodium metaborate or Kodalk can be made in solution from the last two), potassium bromide "Metol", hydroquinone. More can be made if you can obtain Phenidone in some form (like Kodak Dimezone). Even a Rodinal clone can be made although the exact Rodinal formula and method of manufacture continues to be proprietary. Add sodium or ammonium thiosulfate to the above for fixing baths (non hardening) and sodium metabisulfite (use where sodium bisulfite is specified) or acetic acid and potassium aluminum sulfate for hardening fixing baths. A very fine grain developer similar to Microdol-X can be made with the above plus pure sodium chloride (beware some table salt has other things in it). Formulas are readily available on the web and no specialized equipment is needed to make them. -- -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
No, *you* had better get used to it. I live in a place (the U.S.) where one still has a reasonable choice of developers, not the weird sort of fortress that Israel apparently is. No, the fortress is actually the U.S. The problems with importing developers are that since they are post 9/11 considered hazmats, they have to sent by ship. Since they are labeled hazmats, they have will need to have some documentation that they are not hazardous enough to be concerned about. If they were not labeled hazmats, or not prohibited by the airlines, they could just be stuffed in a suitcase. A friend recently sent a suitcase of things for us via a third party. Nothing real interesting, a very old laptop computer for parts, candy, books, etc. To makes things easy, she included a manifest and left it unlocked. When it got here it was locked. Inside was a note saying that a TSA agent inspected the contents and for our safety, locked it. The problems with shipping by boat is the cost and since it only makes sense to ship a case, someone will want an import permit, and since it is now on a list of hazmats, documentation that it is safe to ship and import. What I think will be the problem with getting developers in the U.S. is a matter of demand and liability. Eventually US shippers will no longer accept, for liability reasons, hazmats. All someone needs is to have a bottle of developer break on a UPS truck, and get on an employee and that will end their carrying them. :-( Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM |
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Richard Knoppow wrote:
How difficult is it to obtain the raw chemicals to make developer there? Some are considered hazardous materials. In the US there is a sort of paranoia about anything chemical even though you can buy really dangerous stuff for house cleaning at any grocery store. We are even more paranoid about cleaners. For example, you can no longer buy ammonia here. A variety of good developers can be made up with very few supplies. The main ones are sodium Sulfite, sodium carbonate, sodium hydroxide, borax (sodium metaborate or Kodalk can be made in solution from the last two), potassium bromide "Metol", hydroquinone. More can be made if you can obtain Phenidone in some form (like Kodak Dimezone). Even a Rodinal clone can be made although the exact Rodinal formula and method of manufacture continues to be proprietary. There is a chemical supply store here, although I have never dealt with them. They will sell things like sodium hydroxide (lye), but I'm not sure what else they have. Most places that sell chemicals or lab equipment require a tax number. There are few swimming pools, so no one sells sulfite, borax and washing soda are not used for cleaning here. When I wanted baking soda to use in cooking, I had to buy it in a 100 gram bottle at the pharmacy. Now you can get it in the supermarket (Arm and Hammer brand no less). What I need to do is figure out how to make a developer from Akamol (the local generic Tylenol) baking soda and salt. :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM |
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Toni Nikkanen wrote:
Why not order from the EU then? I routinely order all kinds of liquid developers from Germany and UK and no-one's plane has blown up yet. Thanks, I assumed (you can take what you want from that) the rules were worldwide. When you order something does it go airmail? I assume you can put something in a truck in Germany and expect it to arrive in Finland, you can't do that here. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM |
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