Nikon D100 vs. Fuji Velvia

Magnus W wrote in message ...
"Simon" wrote in
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http://www.borutfurlan.com/test_nikon_fuji_en.html

I am only interested in your opinions about this article, your
experiences etc.
Just take your time...

For 20x30 (cm), digital is already there. For
larger enlargements, crops, black and white, and projections, film walks
all over digital, or rather dances around it, singing "grainy days are here
again" ;-)

Digital is already there. You are basing your opinion on the old
sensor technology used by Canon, Nikon, and Pentax DSLRs. The images
from those cameras are recorded in monochrome, not color. Only Sigma
DSLRs equipped with the coveted Foveon sensor are capable of recording
three layers of color pixels, just like a high grade slide film like
Velvia 50. This allows for photo quality (on par with 300 PPI)
enlargements up to 30 X 40 (inches) for Sigma SD10 images.

The Sigma SD and SA camera lines generally do not require the use of a
tripod unless you are doing a long exposure over 1 second. Images are
always tack sharp. There is some mystery feature built into the Sigma
camera bodies that prevent camera shake. Of course, Sigma does not
need to brag like Canon or Minolta by throwing a "IS" or "AS" in front
of the camera.

Hope this helps,

Orville

Orville Wright wrote:

rant

Sigma SD10 blah blah blah Foveon Blah blah....

/rant

Orville

Do you have that thing saved so you just cut n paste whenever anyone asks
anything about a digital camera?

Cam

orville the walking tortology

"Orville Wright" wrote in message
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Magnus W wrote in message
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"Simon" wrote in
:

http://www.borutfurlan.com/test_nikon_fuji_en.html

I am only interested in your opinions about this article, your
experiences etc.
Just take your time...

For 20x30 (cm), digital is already there. For
larger enlargements, crops, black and white, and projections, film walks
all over digital, or rather dances around it, singing "grainy days are
here
again" ;-)

Digital is already there. You are basing your opinion on the old
sensor technology used by Canon, Nikon, and Pentax DSLRs. The images
from those cameras are recorded in monochrome, not color. Only Sigma
DSLRs equipped with the coveted Foveon sensor are capable of recording
three layers of color pixels, just like a high grade slide film like
Velvia 50. This allows for photo quality (on par with 300 PPI)
enlargements up to 30 X 40 (inches) for Sigma SD10 images.

The Sigma SD and SA camera lines generally do not require the use of a
tripod unless you are doing a long exposure over 1 second. Images are
always tack sharp. There is some mystery feature built into the Sigma
camera bodies that prevent camera shake. Of course, Sigma does not
need to brag like Canon or Minolta by throwing a "IS" or "AS" in front
of the camera.

Hope this helps,

Orville

orville the walking tortology

"Orville Wright" wrote in message
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Magnus W wrote in message

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"Simon" wrote in
:


http://www.borutfurlan.com/test_nikon_fuji_en.html

I am only interested in your opinions about this article, your
experiences etc.
Just take your time...

For 20x30 (cm), digital is already there. For
larger enlargements, crops, black and white, and projections, film walks
all over digital, or rather dances around it, singing "grainy days are

here

again" ;-)

Digital is already there. You are basing your opinion on the old
sensor technology used by Canon, Nikon, and Pentax DSLRs. The images
from those cameras are recorded in monochrome, not color. Only Sigma
DSLRs equipped with the coveted Foveon sensor are capable of recording
three layers of color pixels, just like a high grade slide film like
Velvia 50. This allows for photo quality (on par with 300 PPI)
enlargements up to 30 X 40 (inches) for Sigma SD10 images.

The Sigma SD and SA camera lines generally do not require the use of a
tripod unless you are doing a long exposure over 1 second. Images are
always tack sharp. There is some mystery feature built into the Sigma
camera bodies that prevent camera shake. Of course, Sigma does not
need to brag like Canon or Minolta by throwing a "IS" or "AS" in front
of the camera.

Hope this helps,

Orville

That' a Geoarge rant. You're getting your egos mixed up.

Graham


"Orville Wright" wrote in message
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Magnus W wrote in message
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"Simon" wrote in
:

http://www.borutfurlan.com/test_nikon_fuji_en.html

I am only interested in your opinions about this article, your
experiences etc.
Just take your time...

For 20x30 (cm), digital is already there. For
larger enlargements, crops, black and white, and projections, film walks
all over digital, or rather dances around it, singing "grainy days are
here
again" ;-)

Digital is already there. You are basing your opinion on the old
sensor technology used by Canon, Nikon, and Pentax DSLRs. The images
from those cameras are recorded in monochrome, not color. Only Sigma
DSLRs equipped with the coveted Foveon sensor are capable of recording
three layers of color pixels, just like a high grade slide film like
Velvia 50. This allows for photo quality (on par with 300 PPI)
enlargements up to 30 X 40 (inches) for Sigma SD10 images.

The Sigma SD and SA camera lines generally do not require the use of a
tripod unless you are doing a long exposure over 1 second. Images are
always tack sharp. There is some mystery feature built into the Sigma
camera bodies that prevent camera shake. Of course, Sigma does not
need to brag like Canon or Minolta by throwing a "IS" or "AS" in front
of the camera.

Hope this helps,

Orville

no no, it's the 'coveted' foveon


"FuTAnT" wrote in message
om.au...
Orville Wright wrote:

rant

Sigma SD10 blah blah blah Foveon Blah blah....

/rant

Orville

Do you have that thing saved so you just cut n paste whenever anyone asks
anything about a digital camera?

Cam

you can't compaire analog with digital. It's a total different medium.

What i like with analog is the smoothness from sharp to unsharp (bokeh..?).
My depth of colors.
Nice tones of colors.

What i dislike about digital
Price
Beta stadium (it will take some time before it is developed properly)
Bad bokeh (to sharp, made by the software)
Bad colors. skintones is a problem.

And for the pixel story something more to remember:
With film, there is no one layer of silver cristals.
For example for b/w film, there are +/- 9 layers of silver cristals that
receive light is read somewhere.
So when one layer contains 25 Mb of data when scanning, a 35mm neg will
contain 225 Mb of data!

But we all are people, and think and act different, and this is the nicest
thing about us.
Assume everyone uses the same equipment! That would be boring.
So i do what i like and when someone asks for the 1000 time why are you not
working digital, i tell them i am an artist, not a scientist.

"Willie wjb" wrote in message
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you can't compaire analog with digital. It's a total different medium.


Yes you can. The purpose and reslts are similar.

What i like with analog is the smoothness from sharp to unsharp
(bokeh..?).
My depth of colors.
Nice tones of colors.

Digital tones are much more lifelike and natural.


What i dislike about digital
Price

Startup price accepted but then no film prices.

Beta stadium (it will take some time before it is developed properly)

The pace of development is much faster than film. Affordable high
quality film took 60 years to er develop. Digital has done the same
in a tenth of the time.

Bad bokeh (to sharp, made by the software)

You don't need to oversharpen!

Bad colors. skintones is a problem.

Not with a D100.


And for the pixel story something more to remember:
With film, there is no one layer of silver cristals.
For example for b/w film, there are +/- 9 layers of silver cristals that
receive light is read somewhere.
So when one layer contains 25 Mb of data when scanning, a 35mm neg will
contain 225 Mb of data!

A silver crystal holds at best one bit of data (incident light turns the
siver halide 'on'). It is ironic that since a silver crystal is a bistate
recorder,
film is a DIGITAL medium. But there is a serious noise affect which
reduces each crystal to much less than one bit. You actually need a
grain clump to record a bit. A popular film such as 35mm Provia 100
holds about 5 mpixels of data. Only MF and LF can beat digital but
The latest generation digital cameras such as the Kodak 14mp
camera are easily in MF terriory.


But we all are people, and think and act different, and this is the nicest
thing about us.
Assume everyone uses the same equipment! That would be boring.
So i do what i like and when someone asks for the 1000 time why are you
not
working digital, i tell them i am an artist, not a scientist.

Plenty of 'artists' work with digital. The equipment used is merely a
means to an end. By the way, I work with both digital and medium format.
I sold my 35mm gear a few months ago as the Nikon D100 produces
far better results. I'll be selling my MF gear as soon as I can get my hands
on a Kodak 14n or a Nikon D2X when it is released.

Graham

"Alex A." wrote in message
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no no, it's the 'coveted' foveon


I thought it was the Foveon coven.

"Willie wjb" wrote in message
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So i do what i like and when someone asks for the 1000 time why are you not
working digital, i tell them i am an artist, not a scientist.

I would have thought you were closer to science with all that chemistry
involved in film photography :-)

Dennis