Rumours of Nikon D800 at Photokina - 24 MP and 1080P video

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:17:07 +0100, Bruce
wrote:

Only a rumour, and it's also in French, which probably adds a certain
'je ne sais quoi'. But for what it's worth, here it is:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/33jqte8
or:
http://www.reportagesphotos.fr/A2246...ikon-d700.html
So it's basically the 24 MP sensor from the D3X in a D700 body, with
added Full HD video. No surprises.

The rumour originated from a Chinese e-commerce site www.zol.com.cn.

There is also a rumour from a Russian site of a Nikon D400 to replace
the D300s. It suggests the D400 will have "only" 14.2 MP, presumably
using the same Sony sensor as the D3100. If so, it's disappointing.



But is it a Sony sensor? Thom Hogan seems to think not:

"Update: I've now heard even more details about the D3100 sensor and
from a few sources closer to Nikon Japan. It does indeed appear that
Nikon has moved to producing their own sensors. They may be licensing
or cooperating on some of the underlying technologies, but it appears
that Nikon has decided that Nikon DSLRs will in the future have
Nikon-controlled and Nikon-exclusive sensors. That they haven't chosen
to make a bigger deal of this is strange. And some parts of Nikon
appear not to have gotten the memo on this, as I've seen quotes from
Nikon personnel in some subsidiaries that say "Sony sensor."

On 10-08-22 11:56 , Bowser wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:17:07 +0100,
wrote:

Only a rumour, and it's also in French, which probably adds a certain
'je ne sais quoi'. But for what it's worth, here it is:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/33jqte8
or:
http://www.reportagesphotos.fr/A2246...ikon-d700.html
So it's basically the 24 MP sensor from the D3X in a D700 body, with
added Full HD video. No surprises.

The rumour originated from a Chinese e-commerce site www.zol.com.cn.

There is also a rumour from a Russian site of a Nikon D400 to replace
the D300s. It suggests the D400 will have "only" 14.2 MP, presumably
using the same Sony sensor as the D3100. If so, it's disappointing.



But is it a Sony sensor? Thom Hogan seems to think not:

Since Nikon appear to be able to make Sony sensors render less noisy
images that Sony can do, it does not seem to matter specifically where
they get their sensors. I suspect they get most of their sensors from
Sony but have strived to avoid mention of it.

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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:56:39 -0400, Bowser wrote:
: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:17:07 +0100, Bruce
: wrote:
:
: Only a rumour, and it's also in French, which probably adds a certain
: 'je ne sais quoi'. But for what it's worth, here it is:
: http://preview.tinyurl.com/33jqte8
: or:
: http://www.reportagesphotos.fr/A2246...ikon-d700.html
: So it's basically the 24 MP sensor from the D3X in a D700 body, with
: added Full HD video. No surprises.
:
: The rumour originated from a Chinese e-commerce site www.zol.com.cn.
:
: There is also a rumour from a Russian site of a Nikon D400 to replace
: the D300s. It suggests the D400 will have "only" 14.2 MP, presumably
: using the same Sony sensor as the D3100. If so, it's disappointing.
:
:
:
: But is it a Sony sensor? Thom Hogan seems to think not:
:
: "Update: I've now heard even more details about the D3100 sensor and
: from a few sources closer to Nikon Japan. It does indeed appear that
: Nikon has moved to producing their own sensors. They may be licensing
: or cooperating on some of the underlying technologies, but it appears
: that Nikon has decided that Nikon DSLRs will in the future have
: Nikon-controlled and Nikon-exclusive sensors. That they haven't chosen
: to make a bigger deal of this is strange. And some parts of Nikon
: appear not to have gotten the memo on this, as I've seen quotes from
: Nikon personnel in some subsidiaries that say "Sony sensor."

The simplest of the possible explanations for Nikon's "strange" behavior is
that the story isn't true.

Bob

"Bruce" wrote in message
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Robert Coe wrote:

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:56:39 -0400, Bowser wrote:
: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:17:07 +0100, Bruce
: wrote:
:
: Only a rumour, and it's also in French, which probably adds a certain
: 'je ne sais quoi'. But for what it's worth, here it is:
: http://preview.tinyurl.com/33jqte8
: or:
:
http://www.reportagesphotos.fr/A2246...ikon-d700.html
: So it's basically the 24 MP sensor from the D3X in a D700 body, with
: added Full HD video. No surprises.
:
: The rumour originated from a Chinese e-commerce site www.zol.com.cn.
:
: There is also a rumour from a Russian site of a Nikon D400 to replace
: the D300s. It suggests the D400 will have "only" 14.2 MP, presumably
: using the same Sony sensor as the D3100. If so, it's disappointing.
:
:
:
: But is it a Sony sensor? Thom Hogan seems to think not:
:
: "Update: I've now heard even more details about the D3100 sensor and
: from a few sources closer to Nikon Japan. It does indeed appear that
: Nikon has moved to producing their own sensors. They may be licensing
: or cooperating on some of the underlying technologies, but it appears
: that Nikon has decided that Nikon DSLRs will in the future have
: Nikon-controlled and Nikon-exclusive sensors. That they haven't chosen
: to make a bigger deal of this is strange. And some parts of Nikon
: appear not to have gotten the memo on this, as I've seen quotes from
: Nikon personnel in some subsidiaries that say "Sony sensor."

The simplest of the possible explanations for Nikon's "strange" behavior
is
that the story isn't true.


Over the last couple of years, Nikon seems to have adopted a policy of
not saying anything about changes in the product line to anyone who
will use the Internet to broadcast it.

Thom Hogan used to have access to a lot of advance information from
Nikon. But now, he is reduced to guessing, just like the rest of us.


Part of his speculation is based on the different physical sizes of the Sony
and Nikon sensors. The new Nikons are now a 1.55X crop, meaning they use a
physically smaller sensor than the Sony (based on "internet" information on
DP Review)

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:00:23 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:56:39 -0400, Bowser wrote:
: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:17:07 +0100, Bruce
: wrote:
:
: Only a rumour, and it's also in French, which probably adds a certain
: 'je ne sais quoi'. But for what it's worth, here it is:
: http://preview.tinyurl.com/33jqte8
: or:
: http://www.reportagesphotos.fr/A2246...ikon-d700.html
: So it's basically the 24 MP sensor from the D3X in a D700 body, with
: added Full HD video. No surprises.
:
: The rumour originated from a Chinese e-commerce site www.zol.com.cn.
:
: There is also a rumour from a Russian site of a Nikon D400 to replace
: the D300s. It suggests the D400 will have "only" 14.2 MP, presumably
: using the same Sony sensor as the D3100. If so, it's disappointing.
:
:
:
: But is it a Sony sensor? Thom Hogan seems to think not:
:
: "Update: I've now heard even more details about the D3100 sensor and
: from a few sources closer to Nikon Japan. It does indeed appear that
: Nikon has moved to producing their own sensors. They may be licensing
: or cooperating on some of the underlying technologies, but it appears
: that Nikon has decided that Nikon DSLRs will in the future have
: Nikon-controlled and Nikon-exclusive sensors. That they haven't chosen
: to make a bigger deal of this is strange. And some parts of Nikon
: appear not to have gotten the memo on this, as I've seen quotes from
: Nikon personnel in some subsidiaries that say "Sony sensor."

The simplest of the possible explanations for Nikon's "strange" behavior is
that the story isn't true.

Would Nikon shrik Sony's sensor? The sensor in the D3100 is physically
smaller than the Sony NEX sensor.

I have a theory as to why Nikon isn't making a big deal out of this.
If they start saying "now with Nikon sensors!" then they've
automatically cheapened all their existing cams that actually use Sony
sensors. They've never explicitly said "we use Sony" but we all knew
it. I don't think they want to be viewed as a camera company whose
image quality is reliant on Sony sensors.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:34:44 -0400, Bowser wrote:
: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:00:23 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
:
: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:56:39 -0400, Bowser wrote:
: : On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:17:07 +0100, Bruce
: : wrote:
: :
: : Only a rumour, and it's also in French, which probably adds a certain
: : 'je ne sais quoi'. But for what it's worth, here it is:
: : http://preview.tinyurl.com/33jqte8
: : or:
: : http://www.reportagesphotos.fr/A2246...ikon-d700.html
: : So it's basically the 24 MP sensor from the D3X in a D700 body, with
: : added Full HD video. No surprises.
: :
: : The rumour originated from a Chinese e-commerce site www.zol.com.cn.
: :
: : There is also a rumour from a Russian site of a Nikon D400 to replace
: : the D300s. It suggests the D400 will have "only" 14.2 MP, presumably
: : using the same Sony sensor as the D3100. If so, it's disappointing.
: :
: :
: :
: : But is it a Sony sensor? Thom Hogan seems to think not:
: :
: : "Update: I've now heard even more details about the D3100 sensor and
: : from a few sources closer to Nikon Japan. It does indeed appear that
: : Nikon has moved to producing their own sensors. They may be licensing
: : or cooperating on some of the underlying technologies, but it appears
: : that Nikon has decided that Nikon DSLRs will in the future have
: : Nikon-controlled and Nikon-exclusive sensors. That they haven't chosen
: : to make a bigger deal of this is strange. And some parts of Nikon
: : appear not to have gotten the memo on this, as I've seen quotes from
: : Nikon personnel in some subsidiaries that say "Sony sensor."
:
: The simplest of the possible explanations for Nikon's "strange" behavior is
: that the story isn't true.
:
: Would Nikon shrik Sony's sensor? The sensor in the D3100 is physically
: smaller than the Sony NEX sensor.
:
: I have a theory as to why Nikon isn't making a big deal out of this.
: If they start saying "now with Nikon sensors!" then they've
: automatically cheapened all their existing cams that actually use Sony
: sensors. They've never explicitly said "we use Sony" but we all knew
: it. I don't think they want to be viewed as a camera company whose
: image quality is reliant on Sony sensors.

But equally to the point, why would Nikon go with a *smaller* sensor size, no
matter who made it? I'd call that swimming against the tide. Haven't they
noticed the success of the 5D2, or for that matter the D700?

As I've said once or twice, I no longer accept that FF is the wave of the
future, but neither is a downsized sensor on a serious camera. Unless maybe
Nikon's new mirrorless camera will have a smaller sensor (for faster scanning)
and they want to put that shock behind them sooner rather than later.

Bob

Robert Coe wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:34:44 -0400, wrote:
: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:00:23 -0400, Robert wrote:
:
:On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:56:39 -0400, wrote:
:: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:17:07 +0100,
:: wrote:
::
::Only a rumour, and it's also in French, which probably adds a certain
::'je ne sais quoi'. But for what it's worth, here it is:
::http://preview.tinyurl.com/33jqte8
::or:
::http://www.reportagesphotos.fr/A2246...ikon-d700.html
::So it's basically the 24 MP sensor from the D3X in a D700 body, with
::added Full HD video. No surprises.
::
::The rumour originated from a Chinese e-commerce site www.zol.com.cn.
::
::There is also a rumour from a Russian site of a Nikon D400 to replace
::the D300s. It suggests the D400 will have "only" 14.2 MP, presumably
::using the same Sony sensor as the D3100. If so, it's disappointing.
::
::
::
:: But is it a Sony sensor? Thom Hogan seems to think not:
::
:: "Update: I've now heard even more details about the D3100 sensor and
:: from a few sources closer to Nikon Japan. It does indeed appear that
:: Nikon has moved to producing their own sensors. They may be licensing
:: or cooperating on some of the underlying technologies, but it appears
:: that Nikon has decided that Nikon DSLRs will in the future have
:: Nikon-controlled and Nikon-exclusive sensors. That they haven't chosen
:: to make a bigger deal of this is strange. And some parts of Nikon
:: appear not to have gotten the memo on this, as I've seen quotes from
:: Nikon personnel in some subsidiaries that say "Sony sensor."
:
:The simplest of the possible explanations for Nikon's "strange" behavior is
:that the story isn't true.
:
: Would Nikon shrik Sony's sensor?

Some of the edge is used for bayer mosaicing and perhaps dark frame
noise calculations. Just one stab in the dark possibility. It could save
money too if the edges tend to have more defects (I have no idea if
that's the case). It would have the lenses perform better, loosing a bit
of the worst corner problems.... maybe other reasons... limits to
offloading the data, etc...


The sensor in the D3100 is physically
: smaller than the Sony NEX sensor.

Is it smaller than previous Nikons?


: I have a theory as to why Nikon isn't making a big deal out of this.
: If they start saying "now with Nikon sensors!" then they've
: automatically cheapened all their existing cams that actually use Sony
: sensors. They've never explicitly said "we use Sony" but we all knew
: it. I don't think they want to be viewed as a camera company whose
: image quality is reliant on Sony sensors.

But equally to the point, why would Nikon go with a *smaller* sensor size, no
matter who made it? I'd call that swimming against the tide. Haven't they
noticed the success of the 5D2, or for that matter the D700?

As I've said once or twice, I no longer accept that FF is the wave of the
future, but neither is a downsized sensor on a serious camera. Unless maybe
Nikon's new mirrorless camera will have a smaller sensor (for faster scanning)
and they want to put that shock behind them sooner rather than later.

If slightly smaller, that's not a big deal.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:08:06 -0700, Paul Furman
wrote:

Robert Coe wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:34:44 -0400, wrote:
: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:00:23 -0400, Robert wrote:
:
:On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:56:39 -0400, wrote:
:: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:17:07 +0100,
:: wrote:
::
::Only a rumour, and it's also in French, which probably adds a certain
::'je ne sais quoi'. But for what it's worth, here it is:
::http://preview.tinyurl.com/33jqte8
::or:
::http://www.reportagesphotos.fr/A2246...ikon-d700.html
::So it's basically the 24 MP sensor from the D3X in a D700 body, with
::added Full HD video. No surprises.
::
::The rumour originated from a Chinese e-commerce site www.zol.com.cn.
::
::There is also a rumour from a Russian site of a Nikon D400 to replace
::the D300s. It suggests the D400 will have "only" 14.2 MP, presumably
::using the same Sony sensor as the D3100. If so, it's disappointing.
::
::
::
:: But is it a Sony sensor? Thom Hogan seems to think not:
::
:: "Update: I've now heard even more details about the D3100 sensor and
:: from a few sources closer to Nikon Japan. It does indeed appear that
:: Nikon has moved to producing their own sensors. They may be licensing
:: or cooperating on some of the underlying technologies, but it appears
:: that Nikon has decided that Nikon DSLRs will in the future have
:: Nikon-controlled and Nikon-exclusive sensors. That they haven't chosen
:: to make a bigger deal of this is strange. And some parts of Nikon
:: appear not to have gotten the memo on this, as I've seen quotes from
:: Nikon personnel in some subsidiaries that say "Sony sensor."
:
:The simplest of the possible explanations for Nikon's "strange" behavior is
:that the story isn't true.
:
: Would Nikon shrik Sony's sensor?

Some of the edge is used for bayer mosaicing and perhaps dark frame
noise calculations. Just one stab in the dark possibility. It could save
money too if the edges tend to have more defects (I have no idea if
that's the case). It would have the lenses perform better, loosing a bit
of the worst corner problems.... maybe other reasons... limits to
offloading the data, etc...


The sensor in the D3100 is physically
: smaller than the Sony NEX sensor.

Is it smaller than previous Nikons?

Yes.



: I have a theory as to why Nikon isn't making a big deal out of this.
: If they start saying "now with Nikon sensors!" then they've
: automatically cheapened all their existing cams that actually use Sony
: sensors. They've never explicitly said "we use Sony" but we all knew
: it. I don't think they want to be viewed as a camera company whose
: image quality is reliant on Sony sensors.

But equally to the point, why would Nikon go with a *smaller* sensor size, no
matter who made it? I'd call that swimming against the tide. Haven't they
noticed the success of the 5D2, or for that matter the D700?

As I've said once or twice, I no longer accept that FF is the wave of the
future, but neither is a downsized sensor on a serious camera. Unless maybe
Nikon's new mirrorless camera will have a smaller sensor (for faster scanning)
and they want to put that shock behind them sooner rather than later.

If slightly smaller, that's not a big deal.

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:58:41 +0100, Bruce
wrote:

Bowser wrote:

They've never explicitly said "we use Sony" but we all knew it.


Then why did you deny it a few days ago?

I only denied that their latest cam, the D3100 uses a Sony sensor.
But, the fact is, Nikon has never named their supplier so we're all
speculating. My comment above should have included quotes around "we
all knew it" to indicate a hint of sarcasm.

Can we speculate on Canon's supplier now?

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:43:52 +0100, Bruce
wrote:

Bowser wrote:

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:58:41 +0100, Bruce
wrote:

Bowser wrote:

They've never explicitly said "we use Sony" but we all knew it.


Then why did you deny it a few days ago?

I only denied that their latest cam, the D3100 uses a Sony sensor.
But, the fact is, Nikon has never named their supplier so we're all
speculating. My comment above should have included quotes around "we
all knew it" to indicate a hint of sarcasm.

Can we speculate on Canon's supplier now?


OK, let me guess. Canon?

But the big question is, who makes the steppers used to manufacture
Canon's sensors? ;-)

No matter, I can only say that the sensor in my latest, the 7D, is
excellent. My first 7D had lots of issues, but the second copy is as
good as the first one was bad. Loving it.

Probably has a Canon sensor, no?

Heh heh...