Best Photo printer please

My Canon ip5000 has died. I need a replacement. Any recomendations
greatfully received. Ink replacement price is an important issue.

Thanks

On 2013.09.02 12:48 , iCod wrote:
My Canon ip5000 has died. I need a replacement. Any recomendations
greatfully received. Ink replacement price is an important issue.

Pro photo printers give you the best ink cost - about 1 ¢ per square inch

Example: Epson 3880. It has a new cost of about $1300 - but that
includes a full set of 100% full 80 ml ink cartridges (that's about $500
worth of ink). So in reality it is a $800 printer. Those large
cartridges are more expensive (about $50 - $55 per cart) but they
contain far more ink than the 15ml carts that you pay $20 - $30 for.

Common ink jet printers (such as you would get at Staples) with scanner
and fax integration, are about 2 - 4 times more expensive in ink costs -
but the up front cost is very low ($100 or less).

Kodak claimed that their personal use printers, while more expensive ,
had lower ink costs that most ink jets. I do not know if that bears out
in real life.

--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of **** by the clean end."
-Unknown

On 9/2/2013 1:01 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2013.09.02 12:48 , iCod wrote:
My Canon ip5000 has died. I need a replacement. Any recomendations
greatfully received. Ink replacement price is an important issue.

Pro photo printers give you the best ink cost - about 1 ¢ per square inch

Example: Epson 3880. It has a new cost of about $1300 - but that
includes a full set of 100% full 80 ml ink cartridges (that's about $500
worth of ink). So in reality it is a $800 printer. Those large
cartridges are more expensive (about $50 - $55 per cart) but they
contain far more ink than the 15ml carts that you pay $20 - $30 for.

Common ink jet printers (such as you would get at Staples) with scanner
and fax integration, are about 2 - 4 times more expensive in ink costs -
but the up front cost is very low ($100 or less).

Kodak claimed that their personal use printers, while more expensive ,
had lower ink costs that most ink jets. I do not know if that bears out
in real life.


Your suggestion is for an excellent high quality printer. And indeed if
I decide to do fine art printing, it is the one I would purchase.

If the OP is more concerned about ink costs than quality, he should
consider any printer for which he is able to get third party ink. We
don't know what size images he is seeking to make, and the quantity of
printing he does, therefore, it is difficult to make a recommendation.


--
PeterN

On 2013.09.02 13:18 , PeterN wrote:
On 9/2/2013 1:01 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2013.09.02 12:48 , iCod wrote:
My Canon ip5000 has died. I need a replacement. Any recomendations
greatfully received. Ink replacement price is an important issue.

Pro photo printers give you the best ink cost - about 1 ¢ per square inch

Example: Epson 3880. It has a new cost of about $1300 - but that
includes a full set of 100% full 80 ml ink cartridges (that's about $500
worth of ink). So in reality it is a $800 printer. Those large
cartridges are more expensive (about $50 - $55 per cart) but they
contain far more ink than the 15ml carts that you pay $20 - $30 for.

Common ink jet printers (such as you would get at Staples) with scanner
and fax integration, are about 2 - 4 times more expensive in ink costs -
but the up front cost is very low ($100 or less).

Kodak claimed that their personal use printers, while more expensive ,
had lower ink costs that most ink jets. I do not know if that bears out
in real life.


Your suggestion is for an excellent high quality printer. And indeed if
I decide to do fine art printing, it is the one I would purchase.

If the OP is more concerned about ink costs than quality, he should
consider any printer for which he is able to get third party ink. We
don't know what size images he is seeking to make, and the quantity of
printing he does, therefore, it is difficult to make a recommendation.

I assume that anyone making photo prints wants photo quality ink and not
the hit or miss of 3rd party inks.

Pro printers such as the 3880 (I have the predecessor 3800 which uses
the same ink carts except one) are designed for high throughput (not
that I do high volume). So the ink quality is superior and the cost per
print is far lower than common inkjets. At a lower capital cost and
slightly higher ink cost is the printer that the duck mentioned.



--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of **** by the clean end."
-Unknown

On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:56:35 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2013.09.02 13:18 , PeterN wrote:
On 9/2/2013 1:01 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2013.09.02 12:48 , iCod wrote:
My Canon ip5000 has died. I need a replacement. Any recomendations
greatfully received. Ink replacement price is an important issue.

Pro photo printers give you the best ink cost - about 1 ¢ per square inch

Example: Epson 3880. It has a new cost of about $1300 - but that
includes a full set of 100% full 80 ml ink cartridges (that's about $500
worth of ink). So in reality it is a $800 printer. Those large
cartridges are more expensive (about $50 - $55 per cart) but they
contain far more ink than the 15ml carts that you pay $20 - $30 for.

Common ink jet printers (such as you would get at Staples) with scanner
and fax integration, are about 2 - 4 times more expensive in ink costs -
but the up front cost is very low ($100 or less).

Kodak claimed that their personal use printers, while more expensive ,
had lower ink costs that most ink jets. I do not know if that bears out
in real life.


Your suggestion is for an excellent high quality printer. And indeed if
I decide to do fine art printing, it is the one I would purchase.

If the OP is more concerned about ink costs than quality, he should
consider any printer for which he is able to get third party ink. We
don't know what size images he is seeking to make, and the quantity of
printing he does, therefore, it is difficult to make a recommendation.

I assume that anyone making photo prints wants photo quality ink and not
the hit or miss of 3rd party inks.

Pro printers such as the 3880 (I have the predecessor 3800 which uses
the same ink carts except one) are designed for high throughput (not
that I do high volume). So the ink quality is superior and the cost per
print is far lower than common inkjets. At a lower capital cost and
slightly higher ink cost is the printer that the duck mentioned.

The OP should not ignore the cost of photoquality paper. Larger sheets
are often cheaper than smaller (e.g. A3+ is cheaper than A3) and this
should be borne in mind when considering printer size. I went through
this exercise about three years ago and, like PeterN, I ended up
buying an Epson 3800. I could have bought a cheaper printer but by the
time I had bought my first set of replacement ink cartridges it had
already cost me less to run than if I had bought a smaller R2800 (I
think it was then).
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 9/2/2013 3:46 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:


snip


The OP should not ignore the cost of photoquality paper. Larger sheets
are often cheaper than smaller (e.g. A3+ is cheaper than A3) and this
should be borne in mind when considering printer size. I went through
this exercise about three years ago and, like PeterN, I ended up
buying an Epson 3800. I could have bought a cheaper printer but by the
time I had bought my first set of replacement ink cartridges it had
already cost me less to run than if I had bought a smaller R2800 (I
think it was then).


Minor correction. I do not own any photo printer. I do all my printing
at Costco. But, as I said, for me a 3880 would be my choice of printers.
For lower ink prices one would do well with the 4880, but unless the
OP did a high volume, ink clogging would become a problem.

--
PeterN

On 9/2/2013 1:56 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2013.09.02 13:18 , PeterN wrote:
On 9/2/2013 1:01 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2013.09.02 12:48 , iCod wrote:
My Canon ip5000 has died. I need a replacement. Any recomendations
greatfully received. Ink replacement price is an important issue.

Pro photo printers give you the best ink cost - about 1 ¢ per square
inch

Example: Epson 3880. It has a new cost of about $1300 - but that
includes a full set of 100% full 80 ml ink cartridges (that's about $500
worth of ink). So in reality it is a $800 printer. Those large
cartridges are more expensive (about $50 - $55 per cart) but they
contain far more ink than the 15ml carts that you pay $20 - $30 for.

Common ink jet printers (such as you would get at Staples) with scanner
and fax integration, are about 2 - 4 times more expensive in ink costs -
but the up front cost is very low ($100 or less).

Kodak claimed that their personal use printers, while more expensive ,
had lower ink costs that most ink jets. I do not know if that bears out
in real life.


Your suggestion is for an excellent high quality printer. And indeed if
I decide to do fine art printing, it is the one I would purchase.

If the OP is more concerned about ink costs than quality, he should
consider any printer for which he is able to get third party ink. We
don't know what size images he is seeking to make, and the quantity of
printing he does, therefore, it is difficult to make a recommendation.

I assume that anyone making photo prints wants photo quality ink and not
the hit or miss of 3rd party inks.

Pro printers such as the 3880 (I have the predecessor 3800 which uses
the same ink carts except one) are designed for high throughput (not
that I do high volume). So the ink quality is superior and the cost per
print is far lower than common inkjets. At a lower capital cost and
slightly higher ink cost is the printer that the duck mentioned.


Some third party inks are superb. But, unless you have inside knowledge,
you really don't know what you are getting.
However, we really don't know the OP's requirements.


--
PeterN

On 2013-09-02 14:33:12 -0700, PeterN said:

On 9/2/2013 1:56 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2013.09.02 13:18 , PeterN wrote:
On 9/2/2013 1:01 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2013.09.02 12:48 , iCod wrote:
My Canon ip5000 has died. I need a replacement. Any recomendations
greatfully received. Ink replacement price is an important issue.

Pro photo printers give you the best ink cost - about 1 ¢ per square
inch

Example: Epson 3880. It has a new cost of about $1300 - but that
includes a full set of 100% full 80 ml ink cartridges (that's about $500
worth of ink). So in reality it is a $800 printer. Those large
cartridges are more expensive (about $50 - $55 per cart) but they
contain far more ink than the 15ml carts that you pay $20 - $30 for.

Common ink jet printers (such as you would get at Staples) with scanner
and fax integration, are about 2 - 4 times more expensive in ink costs -
but the up front cost is very low ($100 or less).

Kodak claimed that their personal use printers, while more expensive ,
had lower ink costs that most ink jets. I do not know if that bears out
in real life.


Your suggestion is for an excellent high quality printer. And indeed if
I decide to do fine art printing, it is the one I would purchase.

If the OP is more concerned about ink costs than quality, he should
consider any printer for which he is able to get third party ink. We
don't know what size images he is seeking to make, and the quantity of
printing he does, therefore, it is difficult to make a recommendation.

I assume that anyone making photo prints wants photo quality ink and not
the hit or miss of 3rd party inks.

Pro printers such as the 3880 (I have the predecessor 3800 which uses
the same ink carts except one) are designed for high throughput (not
that I do high volume). So the ink quality is superior and the cost per
print is far lower than common inkjets. At a lower capital cost and
slightly higher ink cost is the printer that the duck mentioned.


Some third party inks are superb. But, unless you have inside
knowledge, you really don't know what you are getting.
However, we really don't know the OP's requirements.

I think the clue to his requirements lies in the printer he is trying
to replace, a Canon ip5000, which is a $200 general purpose printer of
2005 vintage. It does a fair enough job for most photo printing, but it
is not in the same league as the "Pro" level photo printers from the
Canon & Epson stables. I could be wrong, but I don't think he is moving
to upgrade to a premium printer in the $700-$1800 range.

So I think the Epson R3880, R2880, or the Canon Pixma Pro printers are
not what he is looking for.

In the $200-$300 price range, I would seriously take a look at one of
the Epson Artisan printers such as the Epson Artisan 1430.
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/j...sku=C11CB53201
http://www.photographyblog.com/revie...n_1430_review/

Then both Canon & Epson have multi-purpose "all-in-one" printers which
might meet his needs for under $200.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2013.09.02 17:33 , PeterN wrote:

Some third party inks are superb. But, unless you have inside knowledge,
you really don't know what you are getting.

It would be folly to use 3rd party inks in my photo printer. It took
quite a while to get my color control process clear.

I use 3rd party inks in my Canon home office printer - but then I don't
care how colour looks coming out of it.

However, we really don't know the OP's requirements.

Too true - and he hasn't replied with more details.

I did eventually bother to look up what he's replacing and so I somehow
doubt he's in the market for a 3880 or other high end printer.


--
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible
to pick up a piece of **** by the clean end."
-Unknown

On 2013-09-02 09:48:39 -0700, iCod said:

My Canon ip5000 has died. I need a replacement. Any recomendations
greatfully received. Ink replacement price is an important issue.

Thanks


Ink replacement price is always an important issue. Both Canon & Epson
are going to make sure those prices are going to stay high. ;-)

Everything depends on your photo printing needs. If you are looking for
a dedicated photo printer and are prepare to pay the replacement price
for your ip5000. My recommendation is an Epson.
I had (still have) a Canon i9900 which was a great printer, but could
never get consistent color (especially with blacks) and I was never
completely satisfied with the prints.
I bought an Epson R2880 and I couldn't be happier with the results with
the result that the Canon hasn't been used for photo prints in some 3 +
years.
Today I would probably go for the Epson R3880 as that uses larger ink
cartridges. The ink for the R2880 is not inexpensive, but since I am
not printing large runs of large prints it is not a major burden.

--
Regards,

Savageduck