Dpreview delays review to allow Canon to fix problem?

Tony Polson wrote:
Robert Coe wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:58:53 -0700, RichA wrote:
: The review for the Canon 1DmkIII has been (obviously) held back to
: allow Canon to come up with a fix for the focusing problems it has.
: This activity is slowly turning dpreview more into nothing but a glad-
: handing ad-sheet for the mfgs?
: Like magazines that never seem to mention glaring problems with
: cameras, the problems only the the USERS catch? Dpreview claims to
: take a long time testing their cameras, for accuracy and thoroughness
: sake. Lets see what this review looks like if and when it finally
: surfaces. The camera has been out for MONTHS now.

What Dpreview is doing (or not doing) makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Why
write a review that will be obsolete the day that Canon releases their fix?

Because that would be an honest, objective review of the cameras that
have been manufactured so far?

People who already have a camera aren't interested in reading a review.

--
Ray Fischer

RichA wrote:
The review for the Canon 1DmkIII has been (obviously) held back to
allow Canon to come up with a fix for the focusing problems it has.
This activity is slowly turning dpreview more into nothing but a glad-
handing ad-sheet for the mfgs?

Or, far more likely, you're trolling again and playing up idiotic
conspiracy theories.

--
Ray Fischer

Ray Fischer wrote:
Tony Polson wrote:
Robert Coe wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:58:53 -0700, RichA wrote:
: The review for the Canon 1DmkIII has been (obviously) held back to
: allow Canon to come up with a fix for the focusing problems it has.
: This activity is slowly turning dpreview more into nothing but a glad-
: handing ad-sheet for the mfgs?
: Like magazines that never seem to mention glaring problems with
: cameras, the problems only the the USERS catch? Dpreview claims to
: take a long time testing their cameras, for accuracy and thoroughness
: sake. Lets see what this review looks like if and when it finally
: surfaces. The camera has been out for MONTHS now.

What Dpreview is doing (or not doing) makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Why
write a review that will be obsolete the day that Canon releases their fix?

Because that would be an honest, objective review of the cameras that
have been manufactured so far?

People who already have a camera aren't interested in reading a review.

You ought to read a newsgroup like rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,
where you'll find plenty of camera owners who read and discuss
reviews.

--
Chris Malcolm DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Tony Polson" wrote in message
...
Robert Coe wrote:

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:58:53 -0700, RichA wrote:
: The review for the Canon 1DmkIII has been (obviously) held back to
: allow Canon to come up with a fix for the focusing problems it has.
: This activity is slowly turning dpreview more into nothing but a glad-
: handing ad-sheet for the mfgs?
: Like magazines that never seem to mention glaring problems with
: cameras, the problems only the the USERS catch? Dpreview claims to
: take a long time testing their cameras, for accuracy and thoroughness
: sake. Lets see what this review looks like if and when it finally
: surfaces. The camera has been out for MONTHS now.

What Dpreview is doing (or not doing) makes perfect sense, doesn't it? Why
write a review that will be obsolete the day that Canon releases their
fix?


Because that would be an honest, objective review of the cameras that
have been manufactured so far?

The review can always be updated when the problem is fixed.

Given DPReview's very close relationship with Canon, I wonder whether
other manufacturers would be given the same concession of DPReview
withholding reviews of their products until they eventually get it to
work properly?

Still, if you generously sponsor a web site I suppose you might expect
some special treatment in return.

-------------
Same deal with Epson and their pet "life of print" researcher.

The undeniable fact about anyone who relies on getting press releases and
advanced notice - not to mention beta stage cameras is that they are bound
to a contract or at the very least, a written agreement to "overlook" or not
mention serious defects.

It is this "early information" business that so distorts the landscape of
the "review industry" it makes any review tainted with the smell of money.
Sigma and their new SD14 camera are a point worth mentioning here.

I used one of these for a while and can attest to their substantial
improvement over the SD9. They are, in many ways, a seriously better camera
than a 30D. I can't say about others but if the SD14 had a Canon or Nikon
lens mount, they'd become an overnight sell out. What do DP review have to
say about them? 0000000! Nothing!

DP review can be relied on to publish the latest information about digital
photo gear as provided by the manufacturers. In order to keep doing this,
they have to compromise their "hands on" reviews with the knowledge that
should they write an unfavourable one about the flagship from their largest
financial supporter, they'll be back in the heap from which they rose.

Doug

On Sep 30, 10:17 pm, "D-Mac" wrote:
"Tony Polson" wrote in message

DP review can be relied on to publish the latest information about digital
photo gear as provided by the manufacturers. In order to keep doing this,
they have to compromise their "hands on" reviews with the knowledge that
should they write an unfavourable one about the flagship from their largest
financial supporter, they'll be back in the heap from which they rose.

Doug

Who cares?

It's a foregone conclusion that the Canon 1DmkIII is going to get a
"Highly Recommended". Why is anyone in suspense over this?

"Scott W" wrote in message
...
RichA wrote:
The review for the Canon 1DmkIII has been (obviously) held back to
allow Canon to come up with a fix for the focusing problems it has.
This activity is slowly turning dpreview more into nothing but a glad-
handing ad-sheet for the mfgs?
Like magazines that never seem to mention glaring problems with
cameras, the problems only the the USERS catch? Dpreview claims to
take a long time testing their cameras, for accuracy and thoroughness
sake. Lets see what this review looks like if and when it finally
surfaces. The camera has been out for MONTHS now.


It is very possible they are delaying reviewing it, if you really feel you
need DPReview's thumbs up on a camera before you will trust it is alright
to buy, then by all means wait until they review it before you buy one.

If you don't trust DPReview anyway, then what do you care if they have
reviewed it or not?

Scott


That's easy. 99% of the time his posts serve only to bitch/whine about the
subject. He can't criticize the review until it happens and it isn't
happening quickly enough to suit him to he's bitching and whining about that
in the mean time!

JoeT wrote:

"Scott W" wrote in message
...
RichA wrote:
The review for the Canon 1DmkIII has been (obviously) held back to
allow Canon to come up with a fix for the focusing problems it has.
This activity is slowly turning dpreview more into nothing but a glad-
handing ad-sheet for the mfgs?
Like magazines that never seem to mention glaring problems with
cameras, the problems only the the USERS catch? Dpreview claims to
take a long time testing their cameras, for accuracy and thoroughness
sake. Lets see what this review looks like if and when it finally
surfaces. The camera has been out for MONTHS now.


It is very possible they are delaying reviewing it, if you really feel
you need DPReview's thumbs up on a camera before you will trust it is
alright to buy, then by all means wait until they review it before
you buy one.

If you don't trust DPReview anyway, then what do you care if they have
reviewed it or not?

Scott


That's easy. 99% of the time his posts serve only to bitch/whine about
the subject. He can't criticize the review until it happens and it isn't
happening quickly enough to suit him to he's bitching and whining about
that in the mean time!


Jeesus... Do you guys just live to take each other down? I mean, this is
worse than Rec.Martial.Arts.. At least over there, it's expected..

Aren't most of you professionals??

On Sep 29, 10:10 pm, Scott W wrote:
RichA wrote:
The review for the Canon 1DmkIII has been (obviously) held back to
allow Canon to come up with a fix for the focusing problems it has.
This activity is slowly turning dpreview more into nothing but a glad-
handing ad-sheet for the mfgs?
Like magazines that never seem to mention glaring problems with
cameras, the problems only the the USERS catch? Dpreview claims to
take a long time testing their cameras, for accuracy and thoroughness
sake. Lets see what this review looks like if and when it finally
surfaces. The camera has been out for MONTHS now.

It is very possible they are delaying reviewing it, if you really feel
you need DPReview's thumbs up on a camera before you will trust it is
alright to buy, then by all means wait until they review it before you
buy one.

If you don't trust DPReview anyway, then what do you care if they have
reviewed it or not?

Scott

I care if the site ends up as nothing more than an ad platform for
Amazon.
I trust they'll do the review acceptably from a test standpoint (so
you can actually use their noise tests, etc) except for the focusing
problem, which hasn't been corrected, which they'll probably gloss
over. The encouraging thing is that at least four magazines have
mentioned this issue, which shows some integrity.

RichA wrote:
The review for the Canon 1DmkIII has been (obviously) held back to
allow Canon to come up with a fix for the focusing problems it has.

The brain of RichA has been (obviously) removed to allow Nikon
to come up with a fix for the brain scrambling RichA has.

This activity is slowly turning dpreview more into nothing but a glad-
handing ad-sheet for the mfgs?

This activity has turned RichA into nothing more than a
brain-dead troll!

Like magazines that never seem to mention glaring problems with
cameras, the problems only the the USERS catch?

Like the posts of RichA never seem to mention his glaring
trolling problems, the problems only the readers catch?

Dpreview claims to
take a long time testing their cameras, for accuracy and thoroughness
sake.

RichA does not even claim to think for a second for accuracy
and thoroughness sake.

Lets see what this review looks like if and when it finally
surfaces.

Let's see what RichA looks like if and when it finally gets
some brain back.

The camera has been out for MONTHS now.

The body has been trolling for YEARS now.

-Wolfgang

wrote:

It's a foregone conclusion that the Canon 1DmkIII is going to get a
"Highly Recommended".

Just like, oh, about any DSLR coming out these days.

Which may be because they _all_ are extremely good, while
the differences between them are marginal compared to their
capabilities.

Why is anyone in suspense over this?

There isn't, there's just a RichA, who wouldn't know a DSLR if
it danced naked and painted pink in front of him, singing
"DSLRs are here again!"

-Wolfgang