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Bokeh and Aperture Shape
Just watched Die Hard 4 and I noticed that the Bokeh in the close-up shots
looked a bit unattractive, particularly with light sources in the background. Look like 8 blade apertures, but not smooth edges. Very distinctive shape. Just curious, is there a reason for the difference between high-end video lenses and high-end still lenses with regards to aperture? |
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Bokeh and Aperture Shape
On Jul 8, 3:37 pm, "Ali" wrote:
Just watched Die Hard 4 and I noticed that the Bokeh in the close-up shots looked a bit unattractive, particularly with light sources in the background. Look like 8 blade apertures, but not smooth edges. Very distinctive shape. Just curious, is there a reason for the difference between high-end video lenses and high-end still lenses with regards to aperture? I had a friend and associate, a super lens designer, who did quite a study on this. He wrote a paper that was, as far as I know, unpublished. He did, however, do a shortened and simplified version for the "gleanings" column of Sky and Telescope. This would be back in late 70s or early 80s. He did quite a few cases with very odd shaped apertures and some with multiple, close spaced apertures. His name is David Stolzman. I believe I have a copy of his longer paper somewhere in my files, but it will take me awhile to find it. This study was so interesting I have been long tempted to make a pinhole camera with replaceable apertures and make a series of photo- etched apertures. One idea he played with was a graded edge aperture that could also be photo reproduced. This is sometimes called an apodized aperture. |
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Bokeh and Aperture Shape
Thank you for your post, however surely camera equipment on a blockbuster
movie for these types of shots should have nice bokeh? "RockyZ" wrote in message ... On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:37:38 +0100, "Ali" wrote: It all depends on how the lens designer wants to arrange things by balancing cost, efficiency, and image quality as well as the type of glasses selected for that particular lens design. (A lens' resulting bokeh is not usually a high-priority with lens designers. Chromatic aberrations, field flatness, and angular distortions are of much greater importance.) |
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Bokeh and Aperture Shape
Ali wrote:
Just watched Die Hard 4 and I noticed that the Bokeh in the close-up shots looked a bit unattractive, particularly with light sources in the background. Look like 8 blade apertures, but not smooth edges. Very distinctive shape. Just curious, is there a reason for the difference between high-end video lenses and high-end still lenses with regards to aperture? It is entirely possible that the lens was chosen specifically for this feature. The Director of Photography for this sort of production would have all manner of lenses at their disposal. These guys are masters of their craft and are able to select tools to produce the result they want. |
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Bokeh and Aperture Shape
Absolutely, I agree. That's why I am curious why they used a lens with this
bokeh. There must be a reason for it. "Zen Diver" wrote in message ... It is entirely possible that the lens was chosen specifically for this feature. The Director of Photography for this sort of production would have all manner of lenses at their disposal. These guys are masters of their craft and are able to select tools to produce the result they want. |
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Bokeh and Aperture Shape
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:48:52 +0100, "Ali" wrote:
Absolutely, I agree. That's why I am curious why they used a lens with this bokeh. There must be a reason for it. The choice of a lens has to do with the look of that lens. A lens can be tacksharp, or nice and soft. Has flares which the DP can like, low or high contrast, etc etc. cheers -martin- -- Official website "Jonah's Quid" http://www.jonahsquids.co.uk |
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Bokeh and Aperture Shape
On Jul 10, 3:14 pm, Martin Heffels wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:48:52 +0100, "Ali" wrote: Absolutely, I agree. That's why I am curious why they used a lens with this bokeh. There must be a reason for it. The choice of a lens has to do with the look of that lens. A lens can be tacksharp, or nice and soft. Has flares which the DP can like, low or high contrast, etc etc. cheers -martin- -- Official website "Jonah's Quid"http://www.jonahsquids.co.uk Different spot profiles create different looks. For instance, a diffraction blur has a completely different look than an out of focus blur, which is different than the blur from many aberrations. In fact, almost all lens aberrations give a unique look. Not all blur is the same. |
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