Surfing Novices

On Sep 20, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 19, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 11:10 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 19, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Sep 19, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 9:54 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/19/2017 7:55 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 9/19/2017 8:49 AM, PeterN wrote:

...totally gigantic snip...

That is exactly my point. Some images need cropping, others don't. It
depends on what I am trying to convey.
I am showing that we really do not have different points on the
subject of cropping. That is: cropping is simply one technique for
conveying the concept in an image. In the case of surfers, I am
conveying one concept, and you prefer to convey a different concept.
After our discussion I think I understand the concept you and Ron
like to convey. That said, I like to convey a different concept in my
images, than you. That does not make me wrong, nor does it make you
wrong. What would make me wrong would be if I did not convey what I
intended to convey.

I wrote a few responses, but discarded them because they
could have been construed as personally critical. Instead
I'll just this quick question:

Getting back to the beginning, what did you intend to convey
with your original post/photo?

I have a thick skin, and do not consider well intentioned comments about
my photography, as adverse personal criticism.
As can be gleaned from my original posting statement, I was protesting
against the long drift from photography.
As for what I intended to convey, it was simply a surfing wipe-out. The
Duck pointed out that I could have posted a better one, and you, I think
correctly, pointed out that my image was almost meaningless to a surfer.
I take my photography seriously,as it it the means by which I forget
about certain personal, and unpleasant realities. I do not, and will not
even try to sell my images, as that would be work. For the same reason,
I have refused several offers from stock publishers to allow my images
to be published. I do however, enter my images in competitions, and some
have done reasonably well in local and regional competitions. I recently
had some images accepted in an international PSA competition. When
making any image I usually try to please only my taste. I inquired about
surfers preferences, because I hope to shoot a surfing competition, and
donate the images to the organization running the competition. I well
appreciate that participants in various sports can have preferences
peculiar to that sport. Similarly, in my golfing days, when I was
shooting images of holes for a local golf magazine, in exchange for
free rounds of golf, showed the subtleties that made the holes desirable.

BTW
Does this sequence contain the type of images surfers prefer?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wd5d4s83qdf2w51/AADsDIPQuwPN-FDIQIcREOgwa?dl=0

The sequence not so much. #1, #2, & #5 would not be worthy of consideration. #3 is the most acceptable of the group, and #4 would be very good had the surfer been in focus, I would think of that as an AF-C tracking issue.

Consider shots such as these:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJccuOhXcAER0Dp.jpg
http://i.cdn-surfline.com/surfnews/images/2016/09_september/nsb-640/full/00-Smyrna_EricGeiselmanU79A4373Watts.jpg
https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/sl-coldfusion-static-prod/surfnews/images/2011/08_august/padang_new/full/MICK-CURLEY_SURFLINE_RIPCURLCUP_5-8-2011_WALSHY-3539.jpg
or
http://tinyurl.com/yab6btue

...or this, which seems related to your first two shots.
http://nysea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/nysea-balaram-stack-F-stop-Surfline.png

Most are really nice images. Where did yu take them?

Those are plainly not my shots.

Why plainly not yours?

Just look at the URL, and the way I usually present any of my shots, good or bad.

I look at a presented image for what I feel. I
don't pixel peer, nor do I use an Exif viewer to evaluate an image.

No pixel peeking needed, no EXIF needed especially when at least one of the shots has a watermark attributing Mike Coots.


Your sarcasm is unseemly when all I am trying to do is give you a few pointers.

You went about tht in a strange way.

What was strange?
You presented the shots, Ron and I gave our opinions, basically that the capture of your first image was good, but the crop removed any context. I finished up by asking you to consider the example shots, made by photographers with obvious experience in the genre, so that you might get some idea of what we were trying to tell you. I can tell you is a surfer would appreciate an image capturing the action of his sport than see an expression of your photographic artistry.

Ron was reluctant to say what he really felt for fear of hurting your feelings. It seems he might have been correct.


Obviously you don't care for any such advice, or hints to help you with the surf competition project you have in your future, or how the subjects of your shots will see themselves depicted. I am sure they will be thankful to get shots of unidentifiable surfers lost in the shore break mush. So I will leave you to your cropped artistic expressions.
Obviously, for some reason you are insulted that the images are not
yours.

Not at all, I selected them for the qualities they demonstrated. The insult was a subtle one on your part.

I strive to make nice images, in a style I like, and have ignored
you not so subtle barbs.

Agreed, my constructive criticism is far from subtle, certainly not “barbs�, but constructive criticism and advice, especially when it comes to signature elements in your shots, which among them is injudicious cropping to “mine� the image. What you won’t get from me is gushing praise for work that needs fixing.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

On Sep 20, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:04:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Sep 19, 2017, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:58:45 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Sep 19, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 11:10 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 19, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Sep 19, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 9:54 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/19/2017 7:55 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 9/19/2017 8:49 AM, PeterN wrote:

...totally gigantic snip...

That is exactly my point. Some images need cropping, others don't. It
depends on what I am trying to convey.
I am showing that we really do not have different points on the
subject of cropping. That is: cropping is simply one technique for
conveying the concept in an image. In the case of surfers, I am
conveying one concept, and you prefer to convey a different concept.
After our discussion I think I understand the concept you and Ron
like to convey. That said, I like to convey a different concept in my
images, than you. That does not make me wrong, nor does it make you
wrong. What would make me wrong would be if I did not convey what I
intended to convey.

I wrote a few responses, but discarded them because they
could have been construed as personally critical. Instead
I'll just this quick question:

Getting back to the beginning, what did you intend to convey
with your original post/photo?

I have a thick skin, and do not consider well intentioned comments about
my photography, as adverse personal criticism.
As can be gleaned from my original posting statement, I was protesting
against the long drift from photography.
As for what I intended to convey, it was simply a surfing wipe-out. The
Duck pointed out that I could have posted a better one, and you, I think
correctly, pointed out that my image was almost meaningless to a surfer.
I take my photography seriously,as it it the means by which I forget
about certain personal, and unpleasant realities. I do not, and will not
even try to sell my images, as that would be work. For the same reason,
I have refused several offers from stock publishers to allow my images
to be published. I do however, enter my images in competitions, and some
have done reasonably well in local and regional competitions. I recently
had some images accepted in an international PSA competition. When
making any image I usually try to please only my taste. I inquired about
surfers preferences, because I hope to shoot a surfing competition, and
donate the images to the organization running the competition. I well
appreciate that participants in various sports can have preferences
peculiar to that sport. Similarly, in my golfing days, when I was
shooting images of holes for a local golf magazine, in exchange for
free rounds of golf, showed the subtleties that made the holes desirable.

BTW
Does this sequence contain the type of images surfers prefer?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wd5d4s83qdf2w51/AADsDIPQuwPN-FDIQIcREOgwa?dl=0

The sequence not so much. #1, #2, & #5 would not be worthy of consideration. #3 is the most acceptable of the group, and #4 would be very good had the surfer been in focus, I would think of that as an AF-C tracking issue.

Consider shots such as these:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJccuOhXcAER0Dp.jpg
http://i.cdn-surfline.com/surfnews/images/2016/09_september/nsb-640/full/00-Smyrna_EricGeiselmanU79A4373Watts.jpg
https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/sl-coldfusion-static-prod/surfnews/images/2011/08_august/padang_new/full/MICK-CURLEY_SURFLINE_RIPCURLCUP_5-8-2011_WALSHY-3539.jpg
or
http://tinyurl.com/yab6btue

...or this, which seems related to your first two shots.
http://nysea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/nysea-balaram-stack-F-stop-Surfline.png

Most are really nice images. Where did yu take them?

Those are plainly not my shots.

Your sarcasm is unseemly when all I am trying to do is give you a few pointers.

Obviously you don't care for any such advice, or hints to help you with the surf competition project you have in your future, or how the subjects of your shots will see themselves depicted. I am sure they will be thankful to get shots of unidentifiable surfers lost in the shore break mush. So I will leave you to your cropped
artistic expressions.

You sure about this? It would be uncharacteristic of Peter. He might
have just not been paying attention, but I could be wrong.

Oh! He was paying attention. It was his way of telling Ron & me to butt out of his "artistic expression", regardless of how much, and the manner in which we tried to advise.
Whenever I comment when I see a problematic image, it is with constructive critcism in mind, regardless of how harsh it might sound. That criticism is there to be taken in the spirit in which it is given, or not. Just don’t try to jerk my chain along the way.

What's got at you?

My inner curmudgeon.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

On 9/20/2017 10:33 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 20, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 11:58 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 19, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 11:10 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 19, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Sep 19, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 9:54 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/19/2017 7:55 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 9/19/2017 8:49 AM, PeterN wrote:

...totally gigantic snip...

That is exactly my point. Some images need cropping, others don't. It
depends on what I am trying to convey.
I am showing that we really do not have different points on the
subject of cropping. That is: cropping is simply one technique for
conveying the concept in an image. In the case of surfers, I am
conveying one concept, and you prefer to convey a different concept.
After our discussion I think I understand the concept you and Ron
like to convey. That said, I like to convey a different concept in my
images, than you. That does not make me wrong, nor does it make you
wrong. What would make me wrong would be if I did not convey what I
intended to convey.

I wrote a few responses, but discarded them because they
could have been construed as personally critical. Instead
I'll just this quick question:

Getting back to the beginning, what did you intend to convey
with your original post/photo?

I have a thick skin, and do not consider well intentioned comments about
my photography, as adverse personal criticism.
As can be gleaned from my original posting statement, I was protesting
against the long drift from photography.
As for what I intended to convey, it was simply a surfing wipe-out. The
Duck pointed out that I could have posted a better one, and you, I think
correctly, pointed out that my image was almost meaningless to a surfer.
I take my photography seriously,as it it the means by which I forget
about certain personal, and unpleasant realities. I do not, and will not
even try to sell my images, as that would be work. For the same reason,
I have refused several offers from stock publishers to allow my images
to be published. I do however, enter my images in competitions, and some
have done reasonably well in local and regional competitions. I recently
had some images accepted in an international PSA competition. When
making any image I usually try to please only my taste. I inquired about
surfers preferences, because I hope to shoot a surfing competition, and
donate the images to the organization running the competition. I well
appreciate that participants in various sports can have preferences
peculiar to that sport. Similarly, in my golfing days, when I was
shooting images of holes for a local golf magazine, in exchange for
free rounds of golf, showed the subtleties that made the holes desirable.

BTW
Does this sequence contain the type of images surfers prefer?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wd5d4s83qdf2w51/AADsDIPQuwPN-FDIQIcREOgwa?dl=0

The sequence not so much. #1, #2, & #5 would not be worthy of consideration. #3 is the most acceptable of the group, and #4 would be very good had the surfer been in focus, I would think of that as an AF-C tracking issue.

Consider shots such as these:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJccuOhXcAER0Dp.jpg
http://i.cdn-surfline.com/surfnews/images/2016/09_september/nsb-640/full/00-Smyrna_EricGeiselmanU79A4373Watts.jpg
https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/sl-coldfusion-static-prod/surfnews/images/2011/08_august/padang_new/full/MICK-CURLEY_SURFLINE_RIPCURLCUP_5-8-2011_WALSHY-3539.jpg
or
http://tinyurl.com/yab6btue

...or this, which seems related to your first two shots.
http://nysea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/nysea-balaram-stack-F-stop-Surfline.png

Most are really nice images. Where did yu take them?

Those are plainly not my shots.

Why plainly not yours?

Just look at the URL, and the way I usually present any of my shots, good or bad.

I look at a presented image for what I feel. I
don't pixel peer, nor do I use an Exif viewer to evaluate an image.

No pixel peeking needed, no EXIF needed especially when at least one of the shots has a watermark attributing Mike Coots.


Your sarcasm is unseemly when all I am trying to do is give you a few pointers.

You went about tht in a strange way.

What was strange?
You presented the shots, Ron and I gave our opinions, basically that the capture of your first image was good, but the crop removed any context. I finished up by asking you to consider the example shots, made by photographers with obvious experience in the genre, so that you might get some idea of what we were trying to tell you. I can tell you is a surfer would appreciate an image capturing the action of his sport than see an expression of your photographic artistry.

Ron was reluctant to say what he really felt for fear of hurting your feelings. It seems he might have been correct.


Obviously you don't care for any such advice, or hints to help you with the surf competition project you have in your future, or how the subjects of your shots will see themselves depicted. I am sure they will be thankful to get shots of unidentifiable surfers lost in the shore break mush. So I will leave you to your cropped artistic expressions.
Obviously, for some reason you are insulted that the images are not
yours.

Not at all, I selected them for the qualities they demonstrated. The insult was a subtle one on your part.

I strive to make nice images, in a style I like, and have ignored
you not so subtle barbs.

Agreed, my constructive criticism is far from subtle, certainly not “barbs�, but constructive criticism and advice, especially when it comes to signature elements in your shots, which among them is injudicious cropping to “mine� the image. What you won’t get from me is gushing praise for work that needs fixing.


Good I do not want undeserved praise, gushing even less.
--
PeterN

On 9/20/2017 1:04 AM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 19, 2017, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:58:45 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Sep 19, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 11:10 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 19, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Sep 19, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 9:54 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/19/2017 7:55 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 9/19/2017 8:49 AM, PeterN wrote:

...totally gigantic snip...

That is exactly my point. Some images need cropping, others don't. It
depends on what I am trying to convey.
I am showing that we really do not have different points on the
subject of cropping. That is: cropping is simply one technique for
conveying the concept in an image. In the case of surfers, I am
conveying one concept, and you prefer to convey a different concept.
After our discussion I think I understand the concept you and Ron
like to convey. That said, I like to convey a different concept in my
images, than you. That does not make me wrong, nor does it make you
wrong. What would make me wrong would be if I did not convey what I
intended to convey.

I wrote a few responses, but discarded them because they
could have been construed as personally critical. Instead
I'll just this quick question:

Getting back to the beginning, what did you intend to convey
with your original post/photo?

I have a thick skin, and do not consider well intentioned comments about
my photography, as adverse personal criticism.
As can be gleaned from my original posting statement, I was protesting
against the long drift from photography.
As for what I intended to convey, it was simply a surfing wipe-out. The
Duck pointed out that I could have posted a better one, and you, I think
correctly, pointed out that my image was almost meaningless to a surfer.
I take my photography seriously,as it it the means by which I forget
about certain personal, and unpleasant realities. I do not, and will not
even try to sell my images, as that would be work. For the same reason,
I have refused several offers from stock publishers to allow my images
to be published. I do however, enter my images in competitions, and some
have done reasonably well in local and regional competitions. I recently
had some images accepted in an international PSA competition. When
making any image I usually try to please only my taste. I inquired about
surfers preferences, because I hope to shoot a surfing competition, and
donate the images to the organization running the competition. I well
appreciate that participants in various sports can have preferences
peculiar to that sport. Similarly, in my golfing days, when I was
shooting images of holes for a local golf magazine, in exchange for
free rounds of golf, showed the subtleties that made the holes desirable.

BTW
Does this sequence contain the type of images surfers prefer?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wd5d4s83qdf2w51/AADsDIPQuwPN-FDIQIcREOgwa?dl=0

The sequence not so much. #1, #2, & #5 would not be worthy of consideration. #3 is the most acceptable of the group, and #4 would be very good had the surfer been in focus, I would think of that as an AF-C tracking issue.

Consider shots such as these:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJccuOhXcAER0Dp.jpg
http://i.cdn-surfline.com/surfnews/images/2016/09_september/nsb-640/full/00-Smyrna_EricGeiselmanU79A4373Watts.jpg
https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/sl-coldfusion-static-prod/surfnews/images/2011/08_august/padang_new/full/MICK-CURLEY_SURFLINE_RIPCURLCUP_5-8-2011_WALSHY-3539.jpg
or
http://tinyurl.com/yab6btue

...or this, which seems related to your first two shots.
http://nysea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/nysea-balaram-stack-F-stop-Surfline.png

Most are really nice images. Where did yu take them?

Those are plainly not my shots.

Your sarcasm is unseemly when all I am trying to do is give you a few pointers.

Obviously you don't care for any such advice, or hints to help you with the surf competition project you have in your future, or how the subjects of your shots will see themselves depicted. I am sure they will be thankful to get shots of unidentifiable surfers lost in the shore break mush. So I will leave you to your cropped artistic expressions.

You sure about this? It would be uncharacteristic of Peter. He might
have just not been paying attention, but I could be wrong.

Oh! He was paying attention. It was his way of telling Ron & me to butt out of his "artistic expression", regardless of how much, and the manner in which we tried to advise.
Whenever I comment when I see a problematic image, it is with constructive critcism in mind, regardless of how harsh it might sound. That criticism is there to be taken in the spirit in which it is given, or not. Just don’t try to jerk my chain along the way.


You really need to get a good night's sleep. I was not saying that at all.

--
PeterN

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:43:51 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Sep 20, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:04:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Sep 19, 2017, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:58:45 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Sep 19, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 11:10 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Sep 19, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Sep 19, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 9/19/2017 9:54 PM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/19/2017 7:55 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 9/19/2017 8:49 AM, PeterN wrote:

...totally gigantic snip...

That is exactly my point. Some images need cropping, others don't. It
depends on what I am trying to convey.
I am showing that we really do not have different points on the
subject of cropping. That is: cropping is simply one technique for
conveying the concept in an image. In the case of surfers, I am
conveying one concept, and you prefer to convey a different concept.
After our discussion I think I understand the concept you and Ron
like to convey. That said, I like to convey a different concept in my
images, than you. That does not make me wrong, nor does it make you
wrong. What would make me wrong would be if I did not convey what I
intended to convey.

I wrote a few responses, but discarded them because they
could have been construed as personally critical. Instead
I'll just this quick question:

Getting back to the beginning, what did you intend to convey
with your original post/photo?

I have a thick skin, and do not consider well intentioned comments about
my photography, as adverse personal criticism.
As can be gleaned from my original posting statement, I was protesting
against the long drift from photography.
As for what I intended to convey, it was simply a surfing wipe-out. The
Duck pointed out that I could have posted a better one, and you, I think
correctly, pointed out that my image was almost meaningless to a surfer.
I take my photography seriously,as it it the means by which I forget
about certain personal, and unpleasant realities. I do not, and will not
even try to sell my images, as that would be work. For the same reason,
I have refused several offers from stock publishers to allow my images
to be published. I do however, enter my images in competitions, and some
have done reasonably well in local and regional competitions. I recently
had some images accepted in an international PSA competition. When
making any image I usually try to please only my taste. I inquired about
surfers preferences, because I hope to shoot a surfing competition, and
donate the images to the organization running the competition. I well
appreciate that participants in various sports can have preferences
peculiar to that sport. Similarly, in my golfing days, when I was
shooting images of holes for a local golf magazine, in exchange for
free rounds of golf, showed the subtleties that made the holes desirable.

BTW
Does this sequence contain the type of images surfers prefer?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wd5d4s83qdf2w51/AADsDIPQuwPN-FDIQIcREOgwa?dl=0

The sequence not so much. #1, #2, & #5 would not be worthy of consideration. #3 is the most acceptable of the group, and #4 would be very good had the surfer been in focus, I would think of that as an AF-C tracking issue.

Consider shots such as these:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJccuOhXcAER0Dp.jpg
http://i.cdn-surfline.com/surfnews/images/2016/09_september/nsb-640/full/00-Smyrna_EricGeiselmanU79A4373Watts.jpg
https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/sl-coldfusion-static-prod/surfnews/images/2011/08_august/padang_new/full/MICK-CURLEY_SURFLINE_RIPCURLCUP_5-8-2011_WALSHY-3539.jpg
or
http://tinyurl.com/yab6btue

...or this, which seems related to your first two shots.
http://nysea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/nysea-balaram-stack-F-stop-Surfline.png

Most are really nice images. Where did yu take them?

Those are plainly not my shots.

Your sarcasm is unseemly when all I am trying to do is give you a few pointers.

Obviously you don't care for any such advice, or hints to help you with the surf competition project you have in your future, or how the subjects of your shots will see themselves depicted. I am sure they will be thankful to get shots of unidentifiable surfers lost in the shore break mush. So I will leave you to your
cropped
artistic expressions.

You sure about this? It would be uncharacteristic of Peter. He might
have just not been paying attention, but I could be wrong.

Oh! He was paying attention. It was his way of telling Ron & me to butt out of his "artistic expression", regardless of how much, and the manner in which we tried to advise.
Whenever I comment when I see a problematic image, it is with constructive critcism in mind, regardless of how harsh it might sound. That criticism is there to be taken in the spirit in which it is given, or not. Just don’t try to jerk my chain along the way.

What's got at you?

My inner curmudgeon.

It seems to be escaping, getting to the outside. :-(
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:29:44 -0400, Ron C wrote:

On 9/18/2017 11:19 AM, PeterN wrote:
On 9/18/2017 12:29 AM, Ron C wrote:
On 9/17/2017 11:24 PM, PeterN wrote:
While you guys were arguing, I went out to take advantage of heavy
surf. While the surf was great, this is an imge of the ability of
most of the surfers I observed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcxbxh9oqliycro/20170917_surfing_5872.jpg?dl=0




IMHO way over cropped. From that shot I get the feeling
you've never been a surfer. (For me .. context is missing)

My personal style tends towards heavy cropping. See the NEF files I
posted in response to the Duck. And you are right, I have never been a
surfer, nor will I ever be one.
Since I plan to shoot a surfing competition in a few weeks, and would
like to give some shots to the organization, how much context should I
leave in? Since I am going to give them the shots, I would like to give
them what they want.



Yes, I have done such wipe-outs in my younger days.
[but no longer even try... ]

Lately I've been thinking about getting a good waterproof
camera and going out to get some serious in water shots.

...maybe next season.

I used to dive. I found an Ikelite housing worked well. I used it with
my Nikkormat for years. However, if you just want casual family shots,
You can get a P&S for a lot less money.
https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=waterproof+point+and+shoot+camer a&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=177271484533&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw= g&hvrand=14427954963387958466&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqm t=b&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004545&h vtargid=kwd-4566510721&ref=pd_sl_2pg9uacdom_b


https://tinyurl.com/yco2vvya


Ikelite seems to make good stuff at a good price point. I've been
looking at the DLM200 Canon SL1 package or maybe their
new SL2 package. Turns out it would cost less to buy the full
kit w/camera than to buy a housing for any of my cameras.
~~
As for context, I would want to get a feeling of time. Some
indication of how the situation developed or is developing
gives a better feeling for the action and perhaps emotion.
I can still vividly recall the feeling of looking down the wave
during a wipe-out. Having been there I have some empathy
for the situation and would want to capture a bit of that feeling.
You have the choice of how he got there, where he's going, or
[in some cases] some unusual or spectacular static shot.
Dropping in to a wave or pulling out tend to be the most
dynamic. [IMHO] Resist the tight crop in favor of the story.
OK, I think that's enough of my babbling.
~~
Last I checked the surf looks big but choppy and
blown out today.

Here is surfing shot. I expect there will be plenty of action and
emotion in the next few seconds. No doubt the lighting can be
criticised but what can you do? You have to be there when the surf and
surfers are, and make the best of whatever you are served.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Sep 20, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:29:44 -0400, Ron wrote:

...er Snip

As for context, I would want to get a feeling of time. Some
indication of how the situation developed or is developing
gives a better feeling for the action and perhaps emotion.
I can still vividly recall the feeling of looking down the wave
during a wipe-out. Having been there I have some empathy
for the situation and would want to capture a bit of that feeling.
You have the choice of how he got there, where he's going, or
[in some cases] some unusual or spectacular static shot.
Dropping in to a wave or pulling out tend to be the most
dynamic. [IMHO] Resist the tight crop in favor of the story.
OK, I think that's enough of my babbling.
Last I checked the surf looks big but choppy and
blown out today.

Here is surfing shot.

No there isn’t.

I expect there will be plenty of action and
emotion in the next few seconds.

Nope! I see nothing to provoke a call to action, or get emotional over.

No doubt the lighting can be criticised but what can you do?

No doubt, if there was any lighting, or an image.

You have to be there when the surf and surfers are, and make the best of whatever you are served.

I guess.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 23:14:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Sep 20, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:29:44 -0400, Ron wrote:

...er Snip

As for context, I would want to get a feeling of time. Some
indication of how the situation developed or is developing
gives a better feeling for the action and perhaps emotion.
I can still vividly recall the feeling of looking down the wave
during a wipe-out. Having been there I have some empathy
for the situation and would want to capture a bit of that feeling.
You have the choice of how he got there, where he's going, or
[in some cases] some unusual or spectacular static shot.
Dropping in to a wave or pulling out tend to be the most
dynamic. [IMHO] Resist the tight crop in favor of the story.
OK, I think that's enough of my babbling.
Last I checked the surf looks big but choppy and
blown out today.

Here is surfing shot.

No there isn’t.

So there isn't. But try this one.

http://tinyurl.com/y74ezed9

I expect there will be plenty of action and
emotion in the next few seconds.

Nope! I see nothing to provoke a call to action, or get emotional over.

No doubt the lighting can be criticised but what can you do?

No doubt, if there was any lighting, or an image.

The photographer seems to have got there for the golden hour but the
shadow of the wave got in the way.

You have to be there when the surf and surfers are, and make the best of whatever you are served.

I guess.

You 'guess'?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 9/21/2017 4:52 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 23:14:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Sep 20, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:29:44 -0400, Ron wrote:

...er Snip

As for context, I would want to get a feeling of time. Some
indication of how the situation developed or is developing
gives a better feeling for the action and perhaps emotion.
I can still vividly recall the feeling of looking down the wave
during a wipe-out. Having been there I have some empathy
for the situation and would want to capture a bit of that feeling.
You have the choice of how he got there, where he's going, or
[in some cases] some unusual or spectacular static shot.
Dropping in to a wave or pulling out tend to be the most
dynamic. [IMHO] Resist the tight crop in favor of the story.
OK, I think that's enough of my babbling.
Last I checked the surf looks big but choppy and
blown out today.

Here is surfing shot.

No there isn’t.

So there isn't. But try this one.

http://tinyurl.com/y74ezed9

Nope. Nothing there without a facebook account.
--

On Sep 21, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 23:14:11 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On Sep 20, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:29:44 -0400, Ron wrote:

...er Snip

As for context, I would want to get a feeling of time. Some
indication of how the situation developed or is developing
gives a better feeling for the action and perhaps emotion.
I can still vividly recall the feeling of looking down the wave
during a wipe-out. Having been there I have some empathy
for the situation and would want to capture a bit of that feeling.
You have the choice of how he got there, where he's going, or
[in some cases] some unusual or spectacular static shot.
Dropping in to a wave or pulling out tend to be the most
dynamic. [IMHO] Resist the tight crop in favor of the story.
OK, I think that's enough of my babbling.
Last I checked the surf looks big but choppy and
blown out today.

Here is surfing shot.

No there isn’t.

So there isn't. But try this one.

http://tinyurl.com/y74ezed9

It looks as though your timing was off on this one.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h0seayar03mbbmt/screenshot_171.png


I expect there will be plenty of action and
emotion in the next few seconds.

Nope! I see nothing to provoke a call to action, or get emotional over.

No doubt the lighting can be criticised but what can you do?

No doubt, if there was any lighting, or an image.

The photographer seems to have got there for the golden hour but the
shadow of the wave got in the way.

You have to be there when the surf and surfers are, and make the best of whatever you are served.

I guess.

You 'guess'?

--

Regards,
Savageduck