Some More Feeder Shots

On 2016-07-24 16:46:30 +0000, Mort said:

Savageduck wrote:
When you first mentioned the Greenewald book I looked for one and
succeeded via an Amazon vendor. I got a 1960 first edition (sans dust
cover), but otherwise unblemmished and perfect for $28. It has the
single edge mounted prints.
I find is it has the character of an old reference book and the style of
the prints bears back to an older different time in photography
(1953-59). That said it is an invaluable book and one I am happy to own.
Thanks for recommending it.


Hi,

You are quite welcome. I am glad that you find the pix therein
interesting, albeit from another generation. It includes pix of
hummingbirds that I never knew to exist. Wasn't that long-tailed one
magnificent?

I noticed that quite a large number of the birds in his catalog were
captive aviary birds, not that diminishes the work involved in tracking
down the large variety in his book.

Since I sold my house in the woods, and moved to an apartment in a
built-up area, I no longer have access to birds. It was nice while it
lasted = 45 years.

Have you considered a window or balcony feeder to attract some of the
urban birds? You might be surprised at what shows up.
http://www.duncraft.com/Window-Bird-Feeders?view_all

Good photo shooting,

Mort Linder


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Regards,

Savageduck

On 2016-07-24 17:50:18 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:57:03 -0400, Mort wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 21:00:57 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

It's a good thing that Michael Bloomberg is not in charge where you
are.


Hi,

We currently have a severe epidemic of adult type diabetes in young
children,caused mainly by obesity and excessive ingestion of sugars.
After 20 years or so, many of these young people will develop blindness,
kidney failure, heart attacks, strokes, and leg amputations. This is a
serious and rapidly progressing problem, and not a suitable subject for
political jokes.

As an example, a small can of Coca-Cola has about 7 teaspoons of sugar,
but marked in grams, which most Americans do not understand.

In plain words, too much sugar cripples and kills.

I understand that, and my grandchildren are not allowed to drink
regular, sugar-loaded, soft drinks. Water and Gatorade. Because it's
so hot and humid here, they drink a lot of both.

Where is the concern, though, for diabetes in hummingbirds?

In drought stricken California all sorts of wildlife are in crisis. In
the case of hummingbirds their sources of water and and plant nectar
are in short supply. Over the last three years the numbers of
hummingbirds I feed have grown well beyond what I used to see in normal
years. So the sugar water I provide is a bit of a Californian hummer
oasis.

As far as inducing hummingbird diabetes, I believe their astonishing
metabolism reduces that risk. They are the highest energy animals in my
yard.

....and in the worst case scenario, where would I find tiny insuline needles?
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Regards,

Savageduck

I was referring to the jocular mention of Bloomberg re. sugar by another
poster.

Obviously, my remarks are not appreciated. More's the pity.

Mort Linder

Savageduck wrote:
On 2016-07-24 17:50:18 +0000, Tony Cooper said:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 12:57:03 -0400, Mort wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 21:00:57 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

It's a good thing that Michael Bloomberg is not in charge where you
are.


Hi,

We currently have a severe epidemic of adult type diabetes in young
children,caused mainly by obesity and excessive ingestion of sugars.
After 20 years or so, many of these young people will develop blindness,
kidney failure, heart attacks, strokes, and leg amputations. This is a
serious and rapidly progressing problem, and not a suitable subject for
political jokes.

As an example, a small can of Coca-Cola has about 7 teaspoons of sugar,
but marked in grams, which most Americans do not understand.

In plain words, too much sugar cripples and kills.

I understand that, and my grandchildren are not allowed to drink
regular, sugar-loaded, soft drinks. Water and Gatorade. Because it's
so hot and humid here, they drink a lot of both.

Where is the concern, though, for diabetes in hummingbirds?

In drought stricken California all sorts of wildlife are in crisis. In
the case of hummingbirds their sources of water and and plant nectar are
in short supply. Over the last three years the numbers of hummingbirds I
feed have grown well beyond what I used to see in normal years. So the
sugar water I provide is a bit of a Californian hummer oasis.

As far as inducing hummingbird diabetes, I believe their astonishing
metabolism reduces that risk. They are the highest energy animals in my
yard.

...and in the worst case scenario, where would I find tiny insuline
needles?

On 2016-07-24 18:11:57 +0000, Mort said:

I was referring to the jocular mention of Bloomberg re. sugar by
another poster.

Obviously, my remarks are not appreciated. More's the pity.

Mort Linder

I think that most of us in this NG are of an age where we are well
aware of the dangers of sugar for children and adults.

As I have said in this thread, my personal sugar use is nil, nada,
ziltch, zero. However, I am keeping the sugar mills in business to the
tune of 30-40 Lbs/week just to feed the hummingbirds in my yard.
I could stop, but I am benefitting from their presence, and the
hummingbirds are benefitting from a food source in a time of drought.

....and they don't seem to mind too much
https://db.tt/wzhLNQP8

--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck wrote:

As I have said in this thread, my personal sugar use is nil, nada,
ziltch, zero. However, I am keeping the sugar mills in business to the
tune of 30-40 Lbs/week just to feed the hummingbirds in my yard.
I could stop, but I am benefitting from their presence, and the
hummingbirds are benefitting from a food source in a time of drought.

Absolutely correct. Hummingbirds have a very high metabolic rate and
must take in sugars almost constantly. They apparently do not get
diabetes. Again, I was referring to the Bloomberg remark (re. large
sugary sodas) and not to the birds' health.

Thanks.

Mort Linder

Tony Cooper wrote:
The other poster was yours truly who thought your jocular reference to
my jocular reference to Bloomberg was a bit stick-up-the-assish.


I suggest that you visit a Pediatric ward in a hospital where young
bodies are devastated by the effects of obesity and excess sugar.

We obviously see things differently, one from the other.

From now on, my posts shall be strictly about photography and nothing
else.

Mort Linder

J. Clarke wrote:
So why didn't it cripple and kill our parents and grandparents and great
granparents? Are you laboring under the misconception that sugar is
something that was invented in the last 20 years?


1) It did kill our parents, including my father, and our grandparents.
It did not kill our young children so often years ago, as there was
markedly less obesity and sugar intake in children then.

2) We did not have an epidemic of obesity, especially in children,
years ago.

3) I am a Board Certified Specialist in Internal Medicine, Sub-Specialty
in Diabetes Mellitus, and have devoted 40 years of my life to treating
patients with diabetes, and doing major research on the subject. I know
what I am talking about. I have seen the amputated legs, the blindness,
the kidney failure with dialysis or worse; while the soda companies make
fortunes peddling sugar water.

This is worse than the tobacco fiasco. At least, almost all deaths due
to tobacco were in adults; we are talking about sickness and death in
children.

Now, go ahead and make more jokes and complaints.

Mort Linder

Savageduck wrote:

I noticed that quite a large number of the birds in his catalog were
captive aviary birds, not that diminishes the work involved in tracking
down the large variety in his book.

Since I sold my house in the woods, and moved to an apartment in a
built-up area, I no longer have access to birds. It was nice while it
lasted = 45 years.

Have you considered a window or balcony feeder to attract some of the
urban birds? You might be surprised at what shows up.
http://www.duncraft.com/Window-Bird-Feeders?view_all


Hi,

I am glad that you like the book. Many of the birds were photographed
in the wild in Central and South America, and all the birds that were
in the wild were released unharmed after the pix were taken.

Thanks for the suggestion. I rent an apartment in a condo complex
where it is forbidden to put up bird feeders or anything else outside.
As a non-owner, I have no standing to complain. As Shakespeare wrote,
"'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished."

Mort Linder

On 2016-07-24 21:48:59 +0000, Mort said:

Savageduck wrote:

I noticed that quite a large number of the birds in his catalog were
captive aviary birds, not that diminishes the work involved in tracking
down the large variety in his book.

Since I sold my house in the woods, and moved to an apartment in a
built-up area, I no longer have access to birds. It was nice while it
lasted = 45 years.

Have you considered a window or balcony feeder to attract some of the
urban birds? You might be surprised at what shows up.
http://www.duncraft.com/Window-Bird-Feeders?view_all


Hi,

I am glad that you like the book. Many of the birds were photographed
in the wild in Central and South America, and all the birds that were
in the wild were released unharmed after the pix were taken.

I have read a great deal of the book, including his details of
techniques used to capture the images such as light beam triggers with
feeders as bait.

Thanks for the suggestion. I rent an apartment in a condo complex
where it is forbidden to put up bird feeders or anything else outside.
As a non-owner, I have no standing to complain. As Shakespeare wrote,
"'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished."

Well when it comes to a small discrete window feeder which your
neighbors are not likely to see, it might be simpler to as for
forgiveness if discovered, than permission before the act.
....and it might not come to that, unless you have a group of rule
driven micro-managers among your condo-association members.

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Regards,

Savageduck

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 17:32:43 -0400, Mort wrote:

3) I am a Board Certified Specialist in Internal Medicine, Sub-Specialty
in Diabetes Mellitus, and have devoted 40 years of my life to treating
patients with diabetes, and doing major research on the subject. I know
what I am talking about.

Then why are you ignoring childhood inactivity in your posts here?
Isn't that the true leading cause of this? How damaging is sugar
intake if you burn it all off with exercise?