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One more thing about the Fuji F31fd sensor
In addition to being impressive for a 1/1.7", if they increased the
die size by 3x its width and height, it would roughly match an APS-C sensor and it would have 38 megapixels. Now, could anyone make a lens to support that resolution? According to Olympus, their pro lenses will support 22 meg in a 4/3rds size, so the best Nikon and Canon lenses should support 38 megs in an APS-C. It might not produce the kind of results that a big pixel DSLR sensor would, but it would be very interesting to try it. Here's the F31fd against the D50 Nikon at 800 ISO. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fuji...1fd/page15.asp |
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One more thing about the Fuji F31fd sensor
RichA wrote:
In addition to being impressive for a 1/1.7", if they increased the die size by 3x its width and height, it would roughly match an APS-C sensor and it would have 38 megapixels. Now, could anyone make a lens to support that resolution? According to Olympus, their pro lenses will support 22 meg in a 4/3rds size, so the best Nikon and Canon lenses should support 38 megs in an APS-C. It might not produce the kind of results that a big pixel DSLR sensor would, but it would be very interesting to try it. Here's the F31fd against the D50 Nikon at 800 ISO. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fuji...1fd/page15.asp Even if the Olympus "pro" lenses were up to the task, they are so damned expensive that Olympus is on a hiding to nowhere when one lens costs more than other manufacturers entire systems - when those systems will produce significantly better image quality, particularly at higher ISO. A 22mp 4/3 camera, a 38mp aps-c, and a 75mp 35mm sensor are stupid ideas for which there will be a ready and willing market. |
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One more thing about the Fuji F31fd sensor
On Apr 16, 5:33 am, frederick wrote:
RichA wrote: In addition to being impressive for a 1/1.7", if they increased the die size by 3x its width and height, it would roughly match an APS-C sensor and it would have 38 megapixels. Now, could anyone make a lens to support that resolution? According to Olympus, their pro lenses will support 22 meg in a 4/3rds size, so the best Nikon and Canon lenses should support 38 megs in an APS-C. It might not produce the kind of results that a big pixel DSLR sensor would, but it would be very interesting to try it. Here's the F31fd against the D50 Nikon at 800 ISO. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fuji...1fd/page15.asp Even if the Olympus "pro" lenses were up to the task, they are so damned expensive that Olympus is on a hiding to nowhere when one lens costs more than other manufacturers entire systems - when those systems will produce significantly better image quality, particularly at higher ISO. A 22mp 4/3 camera, a 38mp aps-c, and a 75mp 35mm sensor are stupid ideas for which there will be a ready and willing market. Lets say the Fuji (noisewise) is comparable at 800 ISO to the Nikon D50. Which it is. That makes it superior to the Nikon D80 with it's 10 megapixels and higher noise. The only drawback would appear to be DR, which is narrower than a DSLR. But, in scenes where DR is moderate (some landscapes, overcast days) then the huge megapixel count and low noise would "work." You could literally have a camera the size of a small DSLR capable of 38 megapixel images, IF you have the lenses to support it. It would be a fascinating experiment. |
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One more thing about the Fuji F31fd sensor
RichA wrote:
On Apr 16, 5:33 am, frederick wrote: RichA wrote: In addition to being impressive for a 1/1.7", if they increased the die size by 3x its width and height, it would roughly match an APS-C sensor and it would have 38 megapixels. Now, could anyone make a lens to support that resolution? According to Olympus, their pro lenses will support 22 meg in a 4/3rds size, so the best Nikon and Canon lenses should support 38 megs in an APS-C. It might not produce the kind of results that a big pixel DSLR sensor would, but it would be very interesting to try it. Here's the F31fd against the D50 Nikon at 800 ISO. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fuji...1fd/page15.asp Even if the Olympus "pro" lenses were up to the task, they are so damned expensive that Olympus is on a hiding to nowhere when one lens costs more than other manufacturers entire systems - when those systems will produce significantly better image quality, particularly at higher ISO. A 22mp 4/3 camera, a 38mp aps-c, and a 75mp 35mm sensor are stupid ideas for which there will be a ready and willing market. Lets say the Fuji (noisewise) is comparable at 800 ISO to the Nikon D50. Which it is. That makes it superior to the Nikon D80 with it's 10 megapixels and higher noise. The only drawback would appear to be DR, which is narrower than a DSLR. But, in scenes where DR is moderate (some landscapes, overcast days) then the huge megapixel count and low noise would "work." You could literally have a camera the size of a small DSLR capable of 38 megapixel images, IF you have the lenses to support it. It would be a fascinating experiment. The same company that released the F21FD also just released their flagship S5 - a 6mp aps-c dslr - with a sensor designed specifically to increase DR rather than increase resolution. Perhaps they are clueless? |
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One more thing about the Fuji F31fd sensor
On Apr 16, 5:30 pm, frederick wrote:
RichA wrote: On Apr 16, 5:33 am, frederick wrote: RichA wrote: In addition to being impressive for a 1/1.7", if they increased the die size by 3x its width and height, it would roughly match an APS-C sensor and it would have 38 megapixels. Now, could anyone make a lens to support that resolution? According to Olympus, their pro lenses will support 22 meg in a 4/3rds size, so the best Nikon and Canon lenses should support 38 megs in an APS-C. It might not produce the kind of results that a big pixel DSLR sensor would, but it would be very interesting to try it. Here's the F31fd against the D50 Nikon at 800 ISO. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fuji...1fd/page15.asp Even if the Olympus "pro" lenses were up to the task, they are so damned expensive that Olympus is on a hiding to nowhere when one lens costs more than other manufacturers entire systems - when those systems will produce significantly better image quality, particularly at higher ISO. A 22mp 4/3 camera, a 38mp aps-c, and a 75mp 35mm sensor are stupid ideas for which there will be a ready and willing market. Lets say the Fuji (noisewise) is comparable at 800 ISO to the Nikon D50. Which it is. That makes it superior to the Nikon D80 with it's 10 megapixels and higher noise. The only drawback would appear to be DR, which is narrower than a DSLR. But, in scenes where DR is moderate (some landscapes, overcast days) then the huge megapixel count and low noise would "work." You could literally have a camera the size of a small DSLR capable of 38 megapixel images, IF you have the lenses to support it. It would be a fascinating experiment. The same company that released the F21FD also just released their flagship S5 - a 6mp aps-c dslr - with a sensor designed specifically to increase DR rather than increase resolution. Perhaps they are clueless? No, they targeted a specific area, wedding photogs who seem to have liked using Fuji's in the past because of the characteristics of their sensors. I never claimed the F21fd had wide dynamic range, just low noise. I think a Fuji S5 with two sensors (modular backs) with the 6 meg high DR sensor and a 38 meg high resolution sensor would be amazing. Like I said before, under conditions where dynamic range capability isn't being tested to it's limits, it could produce very good images. |
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One more thing about the Fuji F31fd sensor
Such an extrapolation is meaningless. Unless the fabrication process was
vastly improved, a sensor of nine times the area would cost a fortune -- if they could make one at all. "RichA" wrote in message ups.com... In addition to being impressive for a 1/1.7", if they increased the die size by 3x its width and height, it would roughly match an APS-C sensor and it would have 38 megapixels. |
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