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Posing a glamour model
Hello all,
Is there any good online guides to posing models for glamour? Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a model to relax. My girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots of her, which we proceeded to do but then I couldn't get her to make an alluring facial expression. All I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!! Part of me thinks that this would be less of a problem with a stranger .... is this generally the case? Comments anyone? I have also been asked if I could take some tasteful nudes of a pregnant lady. Any tips would be appreciated. |
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Posing a glamour model
Is there any good online guides to posing models for glamour? I don't know about a site, but the Perrins used to have a decent book on boudoir photography. but a good pose for a model is a good pose with or w/o clothes. IE: look at most greek or roman statuary, and old masters paintings with a nude. do a search for Joseph Zeltsman who has some old tutorials about posing and a system of deciding how and why to pose and light specific faces, its not a bunch of rules but a systematic decision tree. Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a model to relax. A. talk to them not your camera. you should be familiar enough with your gear and what you are trying to do that you can keep up a running conversation while doing what you are trying to do. If you are inexperienced then its hard to do. b. use feed back, in my film days I used a lot of polaroid, shoot one, show it, discuss it, make suggestions, let them make suggestions. shoot another, show it. and this draws the subject into the creative process, makes them a partner in the creation of the image, they are not just a piece of meat to be prodded but a participant. and for commissioned portraits, this makes them far more willing to invest in it. My girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots of her, which we proceeded to do but then I couldn't get her to make an alluring facial expression. All I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!! frankly shooting your own is the hardest subjects in the world. it really is difficult. I think that was one of the few times my ex gf and I ever had a screaming fight, another gf was a 'psychic' blinker well over 2/3rds of all shots were blinks, and I was damn good at dealing with blinkers, anticipating and waiting to shoot after a blink, hidding my trigger finger etc. My brother always had this bizarre expression of someone about to hurl. Part of me thinks that this would be less of a problem with a stranger .... is this generally the case? Comments anyone? I have also been asked if I could take some tasteful nudes of a pregnant lady. Any tips would be appreciated. soft side lighting, remember you are lighting spherical shapes, loose clingy fabrics This reply has been echoed to the z-prophoto mailing list at yahoogroups.com |
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Enter Your Full Name says... Hello all, Hello Enter, Is there any good online guides to posing models for glamour? Don't know any and don't think that such an animal can exist. Trying to copy a pose instead of shaping one matching the features of your model is almost guaranteed to fail. Show what you like and feel flattering, don't show the rest. Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a model to relax. You have to know what you are doing. If your technique/gear is a challenge to you, you are likely to fail. Only after completely mastering the whole technique you are using you can concentrate on the subject. Else you will always be distracted by challenges and lose your concentration. My girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots of her, which we proceeded to do but then I couldn't get her to make an alluring facial expression. All I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!! And for how long have you been in photography? She realized you were possibly not doing a perfect job. You have to perform the technical part like an instinct, then you are free to work with your model like a film director, describe the environment and mood she should feel like in. If you can fuel her imagination (and don't fumble around with your camera looking puzzled so much), she might be able to follow that lead. Part of me thinks that this would be less of a problem with a stranger .... is this generally the case? Often. I have also been asked if I could take some tasteful nudes of a pregnant lady. Yeah, the old cliché. The general consensus among pregnancy picture fans seems to be that Anne Geddes does well in that sector. Visit her site to get an impression. -- Michael Quack http://www.photoquack.de/glamour/1.htm http://www.photoquack.de/fashion/1.htm |
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Thanks Michael and zeitgeist.
It's true that I don't know my equipment inside out - I probably spend too much time looking at the preview screen to check the lighting which doesn't help - maybe if I move the model less in relation to the lighting I can start ignoring it a bit. Its all a learning experience. Maybe an audible exposure warning would be a good addition to DSLRs for fools like me Problem is that you have to get practice to get good - vicious circles and all that. Who is going to want to pose for a bumbling fool like me except my other half "Michael Quack" wrote in message ... In article , Enter Your Full Name says... Hello all, Hello Enter, Is there any good online guides to posing models for glamour? Don't know any and don't think that such an animal can exist. Trying to copy a pose instead of shaping one matching the features of your model is almost guaranteed to fail. Show what you like and feel flattering, don't show the rest. Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a model to relax. You have to know what you are doing. If your technique/gear is a challenge to you, you are likely to fail. Only after completely mastering the whole technique you are using you can concentrate on the subject. Else you will always be distracted by challenges and lose your concentration. My girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots of her, which we proceeded to do but then I couldn't get her to make an alluring facial expression. All I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!! And for how long have you been in photography? She realized you were possibly not doing a perfect job. You have to perform the technical part like an instinct, then you are free to work with your model like a film director, describe the environment and mood she should feel like in. If you can fuel her imagination (and don't fumble around with your camera looking puzzled so much), she might be able to follow that lead. Part of me thinks that this would be less of a problem with a stranger .... is this generally the case? Often. I have also been asked if I could take some tasteful nudes of a pregnant lady. Yeah, the old cliché. The general consensus among pregnancy picture fans seems to be that Anne Geddes does well in that sector. Visit her site to get an impression. -- Michael Quack http://www.photoquack.de/glamour/1.htm http://www.photoquack.de/fashion/1.htm |
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-It is said that you don't do business with friends and relatives. Well, the
same applies to photography, the serious stuff anyway. Your or any girl friend tends to 'help out' rather than take it seriously. She's doing you a favour so when you go beyond the snap phase and there is a degree of effort required she will soon become bored unless of course she is as dedicated to the photographic art as yourself. You will find this across the board. This then leads into the other dilemma, with a girl friend at foot you will find considerable opposition to the use of some other girl. It's a female thing. Brother, you're in a jamb. About the only way to (safely) freely photograph women is to be already doing this when you meet and the 'friend' can either accept or reject you. To them it seems different, don't ask me, it's a female thing. Of course to have the friend be party to the creative process in some way so long as her baggage and ideologies don't conflict with yourself is the best way to travel. |
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Its doing very well. Pop by and read/post http://www.adultforums.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=uksweet "Enter Your Full Name" wrote in message ... Thanks Michael and zeitgeist. It's true that I don't know my equipment inside out - I probably spend too much time looking at the preview screen to check the lighting which doesn't help - maybe if I move the model less in relation to the lighting I can start ignoring it a bit. Its all a learning experience. Maybe an audible exposure warning would be a good addition to DSLRs for fools like me Problem is that you have to get practice to get good - vicious circles and all that. Who is going to want to pose for a bumbling fool like me except my other half "Michael Quack" wrote in message ... In article , Enter Your Full Name says... Hello all, Hello Enter, Is there any good online guides to posing models for glamour? Don't know any and don't think that such an animal can exist. Trying to copy a pose instead of shaping one matching the features of your model is almost guaranteed to fail. Show what you like and feel flattering, don't show the rest. Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a model to relax. You have to know what you are doing. If your technique/gear is a challenge to you, you are likely to fail. Only after completely mastering the whole technique you are using you can concentrate on the subject. Else you will always be distracted by challenges and lose your concentration. My girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots of her, which we proceeded to do but then I couldn't get her to make an alluring facial expression. All I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!! And for how long have you been in photography? She realized you were possibly not doing a perfect job. You have to perform the technical part like an instinct, then you are free to work with your model like a film director, describe the environment and mood she should feel like in. If you can fuel her imagination (and don't fumble around with your camera looking puzzled so much), she might be able to follow that lead. Part of me thinks that this would be less of a problem with a stranger .... is this generally the case? Often. I have also been asked if I could take some tasteful nudes of a pregnant lady. Yeah, the old cliché. The general consensus among pregnancy picture fans seems to be that Anne Geddes does well in that sector. Visit her site to get an impression. -- Michael Quack http://www.photoquack.de/glamour/1.htm http://www.photoquack.de/fashion/1.htm |
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Its doing very well. Pop by and read/post http://www.adultforums.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=uksweet "otzi" wrote in message u... -It is said that you don't do business with friends and relatives. Well, the same applies to photography, the serious stuff anyway. Your or any girl friend tends to 'help out' rather than take it seriously. She's doing you a favour so when you go beyond the snap phase and there is a degree of effort required she will soon become bored unless of course she is as dedicated to the photographic art as yourself. You will find this across the board. This then leads into the other dilemma, with a girl friend at foot you will find considerable opposition to the use of some other girl. It's a female thing. Brother, you're in a jamb. About the only way to (safely) freely photograph women is to be already doing this when you meet and the 'friend' can either accept or reject you. To them it seems different, don't ask me, it's a female thing. Of course to have the friend be party to the creative process in some way so long as her baggage and ideologies don't conflict with yourself is the best way to travel. |
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Posing a glamour model
It's true that I don't know my equipment inside out - I probably spend too much time looking at the preview screen to check the lighting which doesn't help - maybe if I move the model less in relation to the lighting I can start ignoring it a bit. Its all a learning experience. Maybe an audible exposure warning would be a good addition to DSLRs for fools like me here's a short cut, start with a large light source, and by large remember my oft ranted concept of a wall of light imitating our favorite types of outdoor natural lighting. You now have a wonderful, soft, semi directional light that is very forgiving, doesn't require accurate metering each time you move something, nor careful placement of the highlights. Now you can concentrate on the subject. Problem is that you have to get practice to get good - vicious circles and all that. Who is going to want to pose for a bumbling fool like me except my other half frankly strangers are still probably you're best bet, they don't discover your an idiot till they are well into the session whereas your GF/SO/DP already knows it in advance. Like I said, the worst fights I ever had with my SO was during photo shoots. the only thing worse than family for portrait subjects is..... another photographer. |
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Kibo informs me that "zeitgeist" stated that:
do a search for Joseph Zeltsman who has some old tutorials about posing and a system of deciding how and why to pose and light specific faces, its not a bunch of rules but a systematic decision tree. His website is great! - I checked it out after someone here recommended it a while back, & I found it a wealth of really good advice. Also, could anyone recommend any good tips for getting a model to relax. A. talk to them not your camera. you should be familiar enough with your gear and what you are trying to do that you can keep up a running conversation while doing what you are trying to do. If you are inexperienced then its hard to do. nods What I find works well is to start off just chatting to them while taking some test shots, then start making *positive* comments on their pose/look as you pose them. "Oh yes! - Your smile's perfect, keep on doing that!", "Great! - That angle really shows off those gorgeous eyes!" etc. Every woman looks more attractive with a happy, confident smile, so if you can make her happy & confident, you both end up with better photos. Most of their initial nervousness (at least, with the amateurs I shoot), is because they think that you (or the camera) will be showing up all the flaws that they're trying to conceal from the world. Sometimes (depends on the person), it can be helpful to explain to them in advance that even the best models have flaws, & that it's the job of the photographer to 'conceal' them, or even to turn them into assets. My girlfriend wanted me to take some glamour shots of her, which we proceeded to do but then I couldn't get her to make an alluring facial expression. All I got was shyness - and we've been together for 6 years!! If it makes you feel any better, my GF is very camera shy, despite being extremely attractive. When we first met, she'd hide if I got out a camera. It's nearly a year later, & she's much less shy about it. I have a pet theory that now that she's seen me taking photos of other girls, she's gaining confidence she can trust my judgement as to her best angle, etc. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^--------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Kibo informs me that "otzi" stated that:
-It is said that you don't do business with friends and relatives. Well, the same applies to photography, the serious stuff anyway. Your or any girl friend tends to 'help out' rather than take it seriously. She's doing you a favour so when you go beyond the snap phase and there is a degree of effort required she will soon become bored unless of course she is as dedicated to the photographic art as yourself. You will find this across the board. This then leads into the other dilemma, with a girl friend at foot you will find considerable opposition to the use of some other girl. It's a female thing. Brother, you're in a jamb. About the only way to (safely) freely photograph women is to be already doing this when you meet and the 'friend' can either accept or reject you. To them it seems different, don't ask me, it's a female thing. It's about their perception of what your motivation is for doing photography. If they think that you do it to get pictures of pretty girls, they'll be hostile, if they think that shooting pretty girls is part of what you do as a photographer, then they're unlikely to have a problem with it - particularly if they see you doing a shoot & conducting yourself in a very professional, 'hands off' manner. (Just quietly, I've also found it helpful to discuss the model's flaws with the GF after the shoot, ostensibly to explain the angles & lighting techniques you used to ameliorate them. Try not to lay it on too thick though, or she'll catch on to your game. Of course to have the friend be party to the creative process in some way so long as her baggage and ideologies don't conflict with yourself is the best way to travel. Yep, very true. -- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^--------------------------------------------------------------- |
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