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The X-T2 Has Arrived
In article 2016070915510523865-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says... You sure as Hell don't need IS on a 14mm f/2.8 or a 35mm f/1.4. If you are going to shoot long exposure with a wide or ultra-wide lens, the camera is going to be tripod mounted anyway. Not necessarily. You might be in a dimly lit room without tripod having to shoot at 1/3s for example, and then even at 14mm stabilisation makes a difference. You can try to push up the ISO to shorten the exposure time, but you get better image quality at lower ISOs. Or you might need to stop down the lens to have more DOF etc. Lots of possible scenarios where stabilisation is needed. Yup! IBIS is missing in all Fuji bodies. It is also missing in all Nikon and Canon bodies, and I don't believe there are too many Leicas, or Hasselblads with IBIS. It is only a key feature for you. And all these bodies would be better if they had IBIS. Also Panasonic has for years relied on OIS, but they recently switched to IBIS, as did Pentax. Quite possible that also Nikon and Canon (and hopefully) Fuji will follow suit sooner or later. Nope. Fujifilm has covered the need for IS by providing it in lenses where it would serve a purpose. So the X-T2 is what it is, and is obviously not for you. But according to http://www.fujifilm.com/products/dig..._lens/roadmap/ most Fuji lenses do not have stabilisation. Of the three new ones planned for 2016-17, only one comes with OIS. Also, can't you use old lenses or other brand lenses with an adapter? Those are likely to be without OIS as well. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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The X-T2 Has Arrived
On 09/07/2016 21:35, Alfred Molon wrote:
[] Sometimes you do need stabilisation, depending on the exposure time and focal length. Besides, what are you trying to argue? IBIS is a key feature which is missing in all Fuji bodies. If the X-T2 had IBIS, it would be a much more valuable camera. Personally I prefer image stabilisation to be in the lens, so that it can be tailored to the focal length and other lens characteristics. I regard in-body as a fall-back in case the lens fails, but it is handy for those wanting to use very old lenses. Panasonic offer both in-body and stabilised lenses, so I get the best of both worlds. -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu |
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The X-T2 Has Arrived
On 2016-07-10 09:19:27 +0000, Alfred Molon said:
In article 2016070915510523865-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck says... You sure as Hell don't need IS on a 14mm f/2.8 or a 35mm f/1.4. If you are going to shoot long exposure with a wide or ultra-wide lens, the camera is going to be tripod mounted anyway. Not necessarily. You might be in a dimly lit room without tripod having to shoot at 1/3s for example, and then even at 14mm stabilisation makes a difference. You can try to push up the ISO to shorten the exposure time, but you get better image quality at lower ISOs. Or you might need to stop down the lens to have more DOF etc. Lots of possible scenarios where stabilisation is needed. I think you would be surprised at low light and high ISO performance of moderen sensors. Yup! IBIS is missing in all Fuji bodies. It is also missing in all Nikon and Canon bodies, and I don't believe there are too many Leicas, or Hasselblads with IBIS. It is only a key feature for you. And all these bodies would be better if they had IBIS. Again that is your opinion, and not necessarily true. Also Panasonic has for years relied on OIS, but they recently switched to IBIS, as did Pentax. Quite possible that also Nikon and Canon (and hopefully) Fuji will follow suit sooner or later. We shall see. Nope. Fujifilm has covered the need for IS by providing it in lenses where it would serve a purpose. So the X-T2 is what it is, and is obviously not for you. But according to http://www.fujifilm.com/products/dig..._lens/roadmap/ most Fuji lenses do not have stabilisation. Of the three new ones planned for 2016-17, only one comes with OIS. As I said, not all lenses NEED IS/VR, and where it serves a purpose. Also, can't you use old lenses or other brand lenses with an adapter? Those are likely to be without OIS as well. ....and those lenses remain desirable regardless of a lack of IS/VR. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The X-T2 Has Arrived
In article 2016071003471840556-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says... I think you would be surprised at low light and high ISO performance of moderen sensors. Sure, but an ISO which is 32 times lower (five stops) still makes quite a difference. Again that is your opinion, and not necessarily true. Nope - having stabilisation is better than not having stabilisation. This should be obvious and I'm surprised that you disagree with this. As I said, not all lenses NEED IS/VR, and where it serves a purpose. Lenses do not need stabilisation - but the photographer might need it. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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The X-T2 Has Arrived
In article , Alfred Molon
wrote: I think you would be surprised at low light and high ISO performance of moderen sensors. Sure, but an ISO which is 32 times lower (five stops) still makes quite a difference. not that much on modern cameras. iso 1600 is excellent and even iso 3200 is quite good. Again that is your opinion, and not necessarily true. Nope - having stabilisation is better than not having stabilisation. This should be obvious and I'm surprised that you disagree with this. it's not a question of having or not having. it's whether the stabilization is in the lens or the body. there are advantages and disadvantages to both and which one is better for a given situation depends on many factors. there is no free lunch. everything has tradeoffs. As I said, not all lenses NEED IS/VR, and where it serves a purpose. Lenses do not need stabilisation - but the photographer might need it. word games. |
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The X-T2 Has Arrived
On 2016-07-10 18:04:35 +0000, Alfred Molon said:
In article 2016071003471840556-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck says... I think you would be surprised at low light and high ISO performance of moderen sensors. Sure, but an ISO which is 32 times lower (five stops) still makes quite a difference. Again that is your opinion, and not necessarily true. Nope - having stabilisation is better than not having stabilisation. That is true when addressing "stabilization" in general particularly with longer focal length lenses, but your particular complaint is about systems which are designed without OBIS, but still provide IS/OS/VR in lenses where that feature is beneficial not superfluous. Ultimately that is still your opinion, and the opinion of those promoting systems with OBIS. This should be obvious and I'm surprised that you disagree with this. Why surprised? Like you I am entitled to my opinion. In my opinion OBIS is not a must have on my check list of things I want on a camera. However, if a camera which grabs my interest and meets my needs happens to have OBIS I will not blindly exclude it from consideration. For now I use two different systems, Nikon and Fujifilm which don't include OBIS, and they meet my needs. As I said, not all lenses NEED IS/VR, and where it serves a purpose. Lenses do not need stabilisation - but the photographer might need it. Finally the truth. That "stabilization" can be had in lenses where the addition of IS/OS/VR is beneficial to the photographer, usually because of failings in technique. Long before the advent of stabilized lenses or the inclusion of OBIS, somehow we managed to produce good, even great images. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The X-T2 Has Arrived
In article 201607101138195400-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says... Long before the advent of stabilized lenses or the inclusion of OBIS, somehow we managed to produce good, even great images. By that logic not even autofocus is needed, because you can take pictures also without autofocus. -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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The X-T2 Has Arrived
On 2016-07-11 17:37:27 +0000, Alfred Molon said:
In article 201607101138195400-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck says... Long before the advent of stabilized lenses or the inclusion of OBIS, somehow we managed to produce good, even great images. By that logic not even autofocus is needed, because you can take pictures also without autofocus. I survived for years without AF, and even in this age of AF I still use manual focus when appropriate or necessary. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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The X-T2 Has Arrived
In article 2016071111234948762-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck
says... I survived for years without AF, and even in this age of AF I still use manual focus when appropriate or necessary. But would you buy a body without AF now? -- Alfred Molon Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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The X-T2 Has Arrived
On 2016-07-11 20:10:40 +0000, Alfred Molon said:
In article 2016071111234948762-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck says... I survived for years without AF, and even in this age of AF I still use manual focus when appropriate or necessary. But would you buy a body without AF now? With the level of cameras I would even consider these days, AF is a standard feature. So my answer to your question is no. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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