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Nikon d710?
On 8/18/2014 12:02 PM, android wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/18/2014 9:50 AM, PAS wrote: "PeterN" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2014 8:41 AM, android wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 10:10 AM, android wrote: On 2014-08-15 14:46, PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 12:59 AM, android wrote: In article 2014081414002928060-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-08-14 19:22:20 +0000, android said: In article , nospam wrote: In article , android wrote: the nikon d610 is $1900 at b&h the d300s was about $1700. what if nikon comes out with a full frame camera for $1500? or less? Than it would have less features... obviously. that didn't stop nikon from making a d3300 and d5300, which have fewer features than a d610 or d7100. Those are HF (half frame) cameras... the d3300 has fewer features than a d5300 which has fewer features than a d7100, all of which are crop sensor cameras. one of the features that they all don't have over the d610 is a full frame sensor. Nope! They are half frame... Actually the D610 is FF. --- Off course. I thought you were referring to the Dxx00's. Those are half frame, Canon x0D and xx0D and M are half frame too. Olympus and Panasonic are quarter frame... I'm not sure of what the Nikon One is but Mini. ;-p I tested one. IMHO it is a POS. It most certainly must be most limited compered to what you usually use. OTOH, surely it can be useful if you are aware of it's limitations. I still like my Ixuses... ;-) One of my frinds go the Leica Dlux and really likes it. That's a PanaLeica right? The Panasonic variant is usually a few cent's cheaper... If someones interested. I doubt it http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...4_d_lux_6_edit ion_100.html http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Compact-Cameras/Leica-D-Lux-6 That's the same camera as the Panasonic DHC-LX7 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._lx7k_Lumix_LX 7_Digital_Camera.html Nope. There are a lot of similarities, but they are two different cameras. http://snapsort.com/compare/Leica-D-Lux-6-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-LX7 Different firmware??? Read the comparison. There are some subtle differences, and debating whether they are the same camera is pointless. My friend go the Leica, not the panasonic. If you guys want to debate his motives, go ahead, I see no point is further participation. -- PeterN |
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Nikon d710?
On 8/18/2014 12:05 PM, PAS wrote:
"PeterN" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2014 9:50 AM, PAS wrote: "PeterN" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2014 8:41 AM, android wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 10:10 AM, android wrote: On 2014-08-15 14:46, PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 12:59 AM, android wrote: In article 2014081414002928060-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-08-14 19:22:20 +0000, android said: In article , nospam wrote: In article , android wrote: the nikon d610 is $1900 at b&h the d300s was about $1700. what if nikon comes out with a full frame camera for $1500? or less? Than it would have less features... obviously. that didn't stop nikon from making a d3300 and d5300, which have fewer features than a d610 or d7100. Those are HF (half frame) cameras... the d3300 has fewer features than a d5300 which has fewer features than a d7100, all of which are crop sensor cameras. one of the features that they all don't have over the d610 is a full frame sensor. Nope! They are half frame... Actually the D610 is FF. --- Off course. I thought you were referring to the Dxx00's. Those are half frame, Canon x0D and xx0D and M are half frame too. Olympus and Panasonic are quarter frame... I'm not sure of what the Nikon One is but Mini. ;-p I tested one. IMHO it is a POS. It most certainly must be most limited compered to what you usually use. OTOH, surely it can be useful if you are aware of it's limitations. I still like my Ixuses... ;-) One of my frinds go the Leica Dlux and really likes it. That's a PanaLeica right? The Panasonic variant is usually a few cent's cheaper... If someones interested. I doubt it http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1036245-REG/leica_18134_d_lux_6_edition_100.html http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Compact-Cameras/Leica-D-Lux-6 That's the same camera as the Panasonic DHC-LX7 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...al_Camera.html Nope. There are a lot of similarities, but they are two different cameras. http://snapsort.com/compare/Leica-D-Lux-6-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-LX7 Same camera, different price http://snapsort.com/compare/Leica-D-...-DMC-LX7/specs Not my problem. -- PeterN |
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Nikon d710?
On 8/18/2014 12:15 PM, PAS wrote:
"android" wrote in message ... In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/18/2014 9:50 AM, PAS wrote: "PeterN" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2014 8:41 AM, android wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 10:10 AM, android wrote: On 2014-08-15 14:46, PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 12:59 AM, android wrote: In article 2014081414002928060-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-08-14 19:22:20 +0000, android said: In article , nospam wrote: In article , android wrote: the nikon d610 is $1900 at b&h the d300s was about $1700. what if nikon comes out with a full frame camera for $1500? or less? Than it would have less features... obviously. that didn't stop nikon from making a d3300 and d5300, which have fewer features than a d610 or d7100. Those are HF (half frame) cameras... the d3300 has fewer features than a d5300 which has fewer features than a d7100, all of which are crop sensor cameras. one of the features that they all don't have over the d610 is a full frame sensor. Nope! They are half frame... Actually the D610 is FF. --- Off course. I thought you were referring to the Dxx00's. Those are half frame, Canon x0D and xx0D and M are half frame too. Olympus and Panasonic are quarter frame... I'm not sure of what the Nikon One is but Mini. ;-p I tested one. IMHO it is a POS. It most certainly must be most limited compered to what you usually use. OTOH, surely it can be useful if you are aware of it's limitations. I still like my Ixuses... ;-) One of my frinds go the Leica Dlux and really likes it. That's a PanaLeica right? The Panasonic variant is usually a few cent's cheaper... If someones interested. I doubt it http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...4_d_lux_6_edit ion_100.html http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Compact-Cameras/Leica-D-Lux-6 That's the same camera as the Panasonic DHC-LX7 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._lx7k_Lumix_LX 7_Digital_Camera.html Nope. There are a lot of similarities, but they are two different cameras. http://snapsort.com/compare/Leica-D-Lux-6-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-LX7 Different firmware??? Other than the price and a different body, it's the same camera. look at the advanced specs. There seems to be some differences. -- PeterN |
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On 8/18/2014 12:19 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-08-18 15:12:30 +0000, PeterN said: On 8/18/2014 9:50 AM, PAS wrote: "PeterN" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2014 8:41 AM, android wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 10:10 AM, android wrote: On 2014-08-15 14:46, PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 12:59 AM, android wrote: In article 2014081414002928060-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-08-14 19:22:20 +0000, android said: In article , nospam wrote: In article , android wrote: the nikon d610 is $1900 at b&h the d300s was about $1700. what if nikon comes out with a full frame camera for $1500? or less? Than it would have less features... obviously. that didn't stop nikon from making a d3300 and d5300, which have fewer features than a d610 or d7100. Those are HF (half frame) cameras... the d3300 has fewer features than a d5300 which has fewer features than a d7100, all of which are crop sensor cameras. one of the features that they all don't have over the d610 is a full frame sensor. Nope! They are half frame... Actually the D610 is FF. --- Off course. I thought you were referring to the Dxx00's. Those are half frame, Canon x0D and xx0D and M are half frame too. Olympus and Panasonic are quarter frame... I'm not sure of what the Nikon One is but Mini. ;-p I tested one. IMHO it is a POS. It most certainly must be most limited compered to what you usually use. OTOH, surely it can be useful if you are aware of it's limitations. I still like my Ixuses... ;-) One of my frinds go the Leica Dlux and really likes it. That's a PanaLeica right? The Panasonic variant is usually a few cent's cheaper... If someones interested. I doubt it http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1036245-REG/leica_18134_d_lux_6_edition_100.html http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Compact-Cameras/Leica-D-Lux-6 That's the same camera as the Panasonic DHC-LX7 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...al_Camera.html Nope. There are a lot of similarities, but they are two different cameras. http://snapsort.com/compare/Leica-D-Lux-6-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-LX7 Read the specs and state which spec is different in each. You are paying a hefty price for a little red nameplate. They are only superficially different cameras due to physical appearance. Under the skin they are identical. The biggest difference is the $398 list price difference for essentially the same performance. http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=leica_dlux6&products=panasonic_dmclx 7 or http://tinyurl.com/n5bfjwy As I said to PAS, read the advanced specs. There is a difference in frame rate, and some other subtle differences. -- PeterN |
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On 2014-08-18 22:45:02 +0000, PeterN said:
On 8/18/2014 12:02 PM, android wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/18/2014 9:50 AM, PAS wrote: "PeterN" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2014 8:41 AM, android wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 10:10 AM, android wrote: On 2014-08-15 14:46, PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 12:59 AM, android wrote: In article 2014081414002928060-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-08-14 19:22:20 +0000, android said: In article , nospam wrote: In article , android wrote: the nikon d610 is $1900 at b&h the d300s was about $1700. what if nikon comes out with a full frame camera for $1500? or less? Than it would have less features... obviously. that didn't stop nikon from making a d3300 and d5300, which have fewer features than a d610 or d7100. Those are HF (half frame) cameras... the d3300 has fewer features than a d5300 which has fewer features than a d7100, all of which are crop sensor cameras. one of the features that they all don't have over the d610 is a full frame sensor. Nope! They are half frame... Actually the D610 is FF. --- Off course. I thought you were referring to the Dxx00's. Those are half frame, Canon x0D and xx0D and M are half frame too. Olympus and Panasonic are quarter frame... I'm not sure of what the Nikon One is but Mini. ;-p I tested one. IMHO it is a POS. It most certainly must be most limited compered to what you usually use. OTOH, surely it can be useful if you are aware of it's limitations. I still like my Ixuses... ;-) One of my frinds go the Leica Dlux and really likes it. That's a PanaLeica right? The Panasonic variant is usually a few cent's cheaper... If someones interested. I doubt it http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...4_d_lux_6_edit ion_100.html http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Compact-Cameras/Leica-D-Lux-6 That's the same camera as the Panasonic DHC-LX7 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._lx7k_Lumix_LX 7_Digital_Camera.html Nope. There are a lot of similarities, but they are two different cameras. http://snapsort.com/compare/Leica-D-Lux-6-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-LX7 Different firmware??? Read the comparison. There are some subtle differences, and debating whether they are the same camera is pointless. My friend go the Leica, not the panasonic. If you guys want to debate his motives, go ahead, I see no point is further participation. You brought up this camera which is nothing more than prestige camouflage on a pretty good compact made by Leica's Japanese business partner. The subjective comparison on the first page of the Snapsort site you gave are meaningless. Three of the four items listed are identical just shuffled about a bit. Then for the Panasonic it lists; "external flash better lighting" because both have a hot shoe. Both have the same feature. For the Leica is listed; "Almost no delay when powering up 750ms startup delay". Whoopeee! Now read the specifications ant tell us which of those uncannily similar specifications convinced your pal that he would look better shooting with the Leica labelled Lumix than the Panasonic version. http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=leica_dlux6&products=panasonic_dmclx 7 or http://tinyurl.com/n5bfjwy They are the same camera with a big price difference for a prestige label. That is like buying a Ford Focus and slapping a $8 Mercedes star on it and bumping the price $20K. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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Nikon d710?
On 2014-08-18 22:45:45 +0000, PeterN said:
On 8/18/2014 12:05 PM, PAS wrote: "PeterN" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2014 9:50 AM, PAS wrote: "PeterN" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2014 8:41 AM, android wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 10:10 AM, android wrote: On 2014-08-15 14:46, PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 12:59 AM, android wrote: In article 2014081414002928060-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-08-14 19:22:20 +0000, android said: In article , nospam wrote: In article , android wrote: the nikon d610 is $1900 at b&h the d300s was about $1700. what if nikon comes out with a full frame camera for $1500? or less? Than it would have less features... obviously. that didn't stop nikon from making a d3300 and d5300, which have fewer features than a d610 or d7100. Those are HF (half frame) cameras... the d3300 has fewer features than a d5300 which has fewer features than a d7100, all of which are crop sensor cameras. one of the features that they all don't have over the d610 is a full frame sensor. Nope! They are half frame... Actually the D610 is FF. --- Off course. I thought you were referring to the Dxx00's. Those are half frame, Canon x0D and xx0D and M are half frame too. Olympus and Panasonic are quarter frame... I'm not sure of what the Nikon One is but Mini. ;-p I tested one. IMHO it is a POS. It most certainly must be most limited compered to what you usually use. OTOH, surely it can be useful if you are aware of it's limitations. I still like my Ixuses... ;-) One of my frinds go the Leica Dlux and really likes it. That's a PanaLeica right? The Panasonic variant is usually a few cent's cheaper... If someones interested. I doubt it http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1036245-REG/leica_18134_d_lux_6_edition_100.html http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Compact-Cameras/Leica-D-Lux-6 That's the same camera as the Panasonic DHC-LX7 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...al_Camera.html Nope. There are a lot of similarities, but they are two different cameras. http://snapsort.com/compare/Leica-D-Lux-6-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-LX7 Same camera, different price http://snapsort.com/compare/Leica-D-...-DMC-LX7/specs Not my problem. You brought this particular Leica into this war zone, and initiated another sub-thread skirmish. So it is your problem. What specifically was it you pal liked about this Leica that he felt compelled to spend a stupid amount of extra $$$. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 2014-08-18 22:46:43 +0000, PeterN said:
On 8/18/2014 12:15 PM, PAS wrote: "android" wrote in message ... In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/18/2014 9:50 AM, PAS wrote: "PeterN" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2014 8:41 AM, android wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 10:10 AM, android wrote: On 2014-08-15 14:46, PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 12:59 AM, android wrote: In article 2014081414002928060-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-08-14 19:22:20 +0000, android said: In article , nospam wrote: In article , android wrote: the nikon d610 is $1900 at b&h the d300s was about $1700. what if nikon comes out with a full frame camera for $1500? or less? Than it would have less features... obviously. that didn't stop nikon from making a d3300 and d5300, which have fewer features than a d610 or d7100. Those are HF (half frame) cameras... the d3300 has fewer features than a d5300 which has fewer features than a d7100, all of which are crop sensor cameras. one of the features that they all don't have over the d610 is a full frame sensor. Nope! They are half frame... Actually the D610 is FF. --- Off course. I thought you were referring to the Dxx00's. Those are half frame, Canon x0D and xx0D and M are half frame too. Olympus and Panasonic are quarter frame... I'm not sure of what the Nikon One is but Mini. ;-p I tested one. IMHO it is a POS. It most certainly must be most limited compered to what you usually use. OTOH, surely it can be useful if you are aware of it's limitations. I still like my Ixuses... ;-) One of my frinds go the Leica Dlux and really likes it. That's a PanaLeica right? The Panasonic variant is usually a few cent's cheaper... If someones interested. I doubt it http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...4_d_lux_6_edit ion_100.html http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Compact-Cameras/Leica-D-Lux-6 That's the same camera as the Panasonic DHC-LX7 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._lx7k_Lumix_LX 7_Digital_Camera.html Nope. There are a lot of similarities, but they are two different cameras. http://snapsort.com/compare/Leica-D-Lux-6-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-LX7 Different firmware??? Other than the price and a different body, it's the same camera. look at the advanced specs. There seems to be some differences. In the Snapsort site there are gapping holes in the full specs for the Leica, and where they note a minor difference it is just that, a minot difference which makes little to no difference in the function and operation of either camera. They are the same camera with one dressed by Armani and the other wearing Dockers. The dpreview site makes a better and fuller spec comparison; http://tinyurl.com/n5bfjwy -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 2014-08-18 22:48:50 +0000, PeterN said:
On 8/18/2014 12:19 PM, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-08-18 15:12:30 +0000, PeterN said: On 8/18/2014 9:50 AM, PAS wrote: "PeterN" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2014 8:41 AM, android wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 10:10 AM, android wrote: On 2014-08-15 14:46, PeterN wrote: On 8/15/2014 12:59 AM, android wrote: In article 2014081414002928060-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, Savageduck wrote: On 2014-08-14 19:22:20 +0000, android said: In article , nospam wrote: In article , android wrote: the nikon d610 is $1900 at b&h the d300s was about $1700. what if nikon comes out with a full frame camera for $1500? or less? Than it would have less features... obviously. that didn't stop nikon from making a d3300 and d5300, which have fewer features than a d610 or d7100. Those are HF (half frame) cameras... the d3300 has fewer features than a d5300 which has fewer features than a d7100, all of which are crop sensor cameras. one of the features that they all don't have over the d610 is a full frame sensor. Nope! They are half frame... Actually the D610 is FF. --- Off course. I thought you were referring to the Dxx00's. Those are half frame, Canon x0D and xx0D and M are half frame too. Olympus and Panasonic are quarter frame... I'm not sure of what the Nikon One is but Mini. ;-p I tested one. IMHO it is a POS. It most certainly must be most limited compered to what you usually use. OTOH, surely it can be useful if you are aware of it's limitations. I still like my Ixuses... ;-) One of my frinds go the Leica Dlux and really likes it. That's a PanaLeica right? The Panasonic variant is usually a few cent's cheaper... If someones interested. I doubt it http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1036245-REG/leica_18134_d_lux_6_edition_100.html http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Compact-Cameras/Leica-D-Lux-6 That's the same camera as the Panasonic DHC-LX7 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...al_Camera.html Nope. There are a lot of similarities, but they are two different cameras. http://snapsort.com/compare/Leica-D-Lux-6-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-LX7 Read the specs and state which spec is different in each. You are paying a hefty price for a little red nameplate. They are only superficially different cameras due to physical appearance. Under the skin they are identical. The biggest difference is the $398 list price difference for essentially the same performance. http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=leica_dlux6&products=panasonic_dmclx 7 or http://tinyurl.com/n5bfjwy As I said to PAS, read the advanced specs. I did. There is a difference in frame rate, and some other subtle differences. Somehow I don't particularly trust the Snapsort spec list (which is incomplete) which reports 2fps for the Leica and 11fps for the Lumix. They don't even say if that is for RAW of JPEG. Dpreview shows the Leica at 11fps the same as the Lumix. http://www.dpreview.com/products/leica/compacts/leica_dlux6/specifications Spec for spec they are the same camera down to weight & dimensions. They even have the same auto shooting modes. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 8/18/2014 8:08 PM, Savageduck wrote:
snip You brought this particular Leica into this war zone, and initiated another sub-thread skirmish. So it is your problem. What specifically was it you pal liked about this Leica that he felt compelled to spend a stupid amount of extra $$$. That is his issue. When my wife wants a new refridgerater even though our current one is fine, I really don't care. It makes her happy. No reason to question a friend on how he spends his money. He will not starve. I don't know whether I would make that choice. BTW I think the Panasonic is a fine camera. -- PeterN |
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