humidifier disingectant chemical cheap source

May 13, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick,

I've just been to the farmers' market
shopping, then on to the supermarket, where I
found it was swimming pool season ...


The following chemical --

N-Alkyl (40% C12, 50% C14, 10% C16) Dimethyl
Benzyl Ammonium chloride 5%

-- is being sold in a four liter jug marked
Algaecide. Well, actually, it's marked 'No
Name Liquid Algaecide', and it comes from a
supermarket called Loblaws in Toronto.

This is the cheapest common source of this
substance I've been able to find. It seems to
be a member of quite a large group of
chemicals of similar name used to control
smell causing micro-organisms. When sold as a
humidifier product, the same or similar
substances usually sell in a half-liter
container for three dollars. I paid five
dollars for four liters.

My bottle of this stuff sold as a humidifier
product does not list the concentration. I
seem to remember it is 3%. It also usually
comes with some sort of scent added; I
consider this a drawback. The scent listed on
my bottle is "clean...fresh". Descriptive,
huh? Anyway, the swimming pool product
doesn't seem to bother with such niceties.

In an algae-free swimming pool, the
instruction is to use four hundred ml per ten
thousand liters water. In a humidifier, a few
drops at every fill-up, or a table spoon per
week, should suffice.

Once diluted, the odor of this disinfectant
is very low, and disappears in a few minutes.

I know even less organic chemistry than I do
darkroom chemistry ... could someone explain
the nomenclature used for this stuff?

regards,
--le
________________________________
Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
website: www.heylloyd.com
telephone: 416-686-0326
email:
________________________________
--

sorry for the silly spelling error in my
previous post --the title of this post should
be

humidifier disinfectant chemical cheap source
....




On Sat, 13 May 2006 10:43:04 -0400, Lloyd
Erlick Lloyd at @the-wire. dot com wrote:

May 13, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick,

I've just been to the farmers' market
shopping, then on to the supermarket, where I
found it was swimming pool season ...


The following chemical --

N-Alkyl (40% C12, 50% C14, 10% C16) Dimethyl
Benzyl Ammonium chloride 5%

-- is being sold in a four liter jug marked
Algaecide. Well, actually, it's marked 'No
Name Liquid Algaecide', and it comes from a
supermarket called Loblaws in Toronto.

This is the cheapest common source of this
substance I've been able to find. It seems to
be a member of quite a large group of
chemicals of similar name used to control
smell causing micro-organisms. When sold as a
humidifier product, the same or similar
substances usually sell in a half-liter
container for three dollars. I paid five
dollars for four liters.

My bottle of this stuff sold as a humidifier
product does not list the concentration. I
seem to remember it is 3%. It also usually
comes with some sort of scent added; I
consider this a drawback. The scent listed on
my bottle is "clean...fresh". Descriptive,
huh? Anyway, the swimming pool product
doesn't seem to bother with such niceties.

In an algae-free swimming pool, the
instruction is to use four hundred ml per ten
thousand liters water. In a humidifier, a few
drops at every fill-up, or a table spoon per
week, should suffice.

Once diluted, the odor of this disinfectant
is very low, and disappears in a few minutes.

I know even less organic chemistry than I do
darkroom chemistry ... could someone explain
the nomenclature used for this stuff?

regards,
--le
________________________________
Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto.
website: www.heylloyd.com
telephone: 416-686-0326
email:
________________________________

Lloyd Erlick wrote:

The following chemical --

N-Alkyl (40% C12, 50% C14, 10% C16) Dimethyl
Benzyl Ammonium chloride 5%

... could someone explain
the nomenclature used for this stuff?


There are three flavors of the N-Alkyl, two methyls, a
benzyl. All combined with Ammonium chloride. Solution
strength 5%. A slightly educated guess. Dan

nailer wrote:
SORRY,
should be quaternary. I was busy with ternary excel graphs at that
time.

On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:59:37 GMT, nailer wrote:

#wrong guess.
#
#three different compounds, ternary amine substituted with two methyl
#groups and one of either C12, C14 or C16. It has positive charge and
#easily forms salts like chloride.

You forgot the benzyl group - Dan didn't. A similar compound is
shown in the following pdf (N-alkyl groups differ):

http://www.albemarle.com/acrofiles/bc0124f.pdf


# 2006 14:17:07 -0700, wrote:
#
## Lloyd Erlick wrote:
##
## The following chemical --
##
## N-Alkyl (40% C12, 50% C14, 10% C16) Dimethyl
## Benzyl Ammonium chloride 5%
##
## ... could someone explain
## the nomenclature used for this stuff?
##
##
## There are three flavors of the N-Alkyl, two methyls, a
##benzyl. All combined with Ammonium chloride. Solution
##strength 5%. A slightly educated guess. Dan