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This guy mattered more than Jobs the Toymaker
The underpinning of our computer world rides on this fellow's and his
colleague's efforts, not Apple adult toys. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/i...hie-obit-bell- labs/index.html |
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This guy mattered more than Jobs the Toymaker
On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:57:16 -0500, Rich wrote:
The underpinning of our computer world rides on this fellow's and his colleague's efforts, not Apple adult toys. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/i...abs/index.html I've unwrapped the URL. Apart from that, I agree with you. There is also Farmwald and Horowitz who with their co-workers are responsible for inventions without which no modern computers would exist. Regards, Eric Stevens |
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This guy mattered more than Jobs
On 10/16/2011 10:11 PM, otter wrote:
As much as I respect Dennis Ritchie and invention of the C programming language, it was really just one thing, and not without warts. He is also justifiably called a co-creator of Unix, and those two technologies set the stage for the vast majority of computing today. Under Mr. Jobs leadership, on the other hand, Apple produced and brought to market _four_ product that created permanent cultural change. None of those products were "wart free" either. To worker bees like myself, trying to judge which giant was shook the earth more is an exercise in futility. -- Mike Benveniste -- (Clarification Required) You don't have to sort of enhance reality. There is nothing stranger than truth. -- Annie Leibovitz |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 02:30:04 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave wrote:
On Oct 16, 1:57*am, Rich wrote: The underpinning of our computer world rides on this fellow's and his colleague's efforts, not Apple adult toys. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/i...hie-obit-bell- labs/index.html Welll it's easy isn;t it, how about Michael Faraday ? Without him I doubt they#'d hads been a C program or UNIX. But we can never really say whether or not one person has the ultimate of importance in their field as most relay on others. Then what aboput teh first grpoup of peole that invented the written word or symbol without them deniis ritchie or even ourselves would probalby be learning/teaching how to skin animals or sowing corn or whatever, even camera designers would be working in fieilds. So I';m not sure how relivant it is to go back as say one person isn't as important as another. I;'d heard that the reason WWII came about was because Hitlers mother was going to have an abortion but her doctor talked her out of it, so is that doctor responsible for WWII . And the Virgin Mary should have said "No". |
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On 2011-10-17 02:30:04 -0700, Whisky-dave said:
I;'d heard that the reason WWII came about was because Hitlers mother was going to have an abortion but her doctor talked her out of it, so is that doctor responsible for WWII . It would be just as reasonable to say the only reason Hitler came to power, and subsequently WWII came about, was because the Central powers lost WWI, and Germany was gutted by the Western Allies in 1919 with the Treaty of Versailles. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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This guy mattered more than Jobs the Toymaker
In article , otter wrote:
On Oct 15, 7:57=A0pm, Rich wrote: The underpinning of our computer world rides on this fellow's and his colleague's efforts, not Apple adult toys. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/i...hie-obit-bell- labs/index.html As much as I respect Dennis Ritchie and invention of the C programming language, it was really just one thing, and not without warts. Steve Jobs and Woz brought us the first useful personal computer, the Apple II. And then they stole some ideas and gave us the Mac, which led to Windows, and the windowing guis in the unix/linux world. Then add on the "toys" at Apple, and a few other things to get a true idea of the scope of Steve Jobs' accomplishments. No reason to put down either man, or even compare them. You are seriously disrepecting what Atari and Commodre brought to the table. When the mac came out , it was black and white, and a year later the Atari ST and commodore amiga blew out of the water what apple and the current PC world at the time had to offer. Add a few apple roms to a discovery cart on your ST and you were running mac apps fater that a real mac at the time |
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This guy mattered more than Jobs
In article , Mike Benveniste wrote:
On 10/16/2011 10:11 PM, otter wrote: As much as I respect Dennis Ritchie and invention of the C programming language, it was really just one thing, and not without warts. He is also justifiably called a co-creator of Unix, and those two technologies set the stage for the vast majority of computing today. Under Mr. Jobs leadership, on the other hand, Apple produced and brought to market _four_ product that created permanent cultural change. None of those products were "wart free" either. What? the MP3 player? already out long before the iPod , Pad computing? I had a HP laptop/PAD PC years before the ipad came out etc... etc... The only cultural change i see is the millions of duchebag teens and adults who feel the constant need to update their stupid facebook pages with stuff like "eating lunch now" , "Taking **** now" etc..... To worker bees like myself, trying to judge which giant was shook the earth more is an exercise in futility. |
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In article , Irwell wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 02:30:04 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave wrote: On Oct 16, 1:57*am, Rich wrote: The underpinning of our computer world rides on this fellow's and his colleague's efforts, not Apple adult toys. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/i...hie-obit-bell- labs/index.html Welll it's easy isn;t it, how about Michael Faraday ? Without him I doubt they#'d hads been a C program or UNIX. But we can never really say whether or not one person has the ultimate of importance in their field as most relay on others. Then what aboput teh first grpoup of peole that invented the written word or symbol without them deniis ritchie or even ourselves would probalby be learning/teaching how to skin animals or sowing corn or whatever, even camera designers would be working in fieilds. So I';m not sure how relivant it is to go back as say one person isn't as important as another. I;'d heard that the reason WWII came about was because Hitlers mother was going to have an abortion but her doctor talked her out of it, so is that doctor responsible for WWII . And the Virgin Mary should have said "No". So should Abrahams wife then. |
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This guy mattered more than Jobs
On 10/17/2011 1:42 PM, GMAN wrote:
What? the MP3 player? already out long before the iPod , Pad computing? I had a HP laptop/PAD PC years before the ipad came out etc... etc... Building the technology is one thing, but history shows that "if you build it they will come" is a lousy business strategy. What Mr. Jobs excelled at was bringing technology to the market in a way which took it out of the realm of the technophiles/geeks/nerds/etc and into mainstream culture. That's a very different skill than Mr. Ritchie. There were several microcomputers marketed before the Apple ][, including some based on 8-bit Motorola chips. Today, they are historical footnotes. Computers with GUI's existed before the Macintosh, including Apple's own Lisa. You can assert the technical superiority of Atari and Commodore's offerings as much as you want, but they never made it into mainstream use. The same is true of various 8088 and 8086 machines that were superior to the IBM PC. Footnotes all. Laser printers existed before the Apple LaserWriter. I don't count this one as one of the 4, but if you remember what it was like dealing with fonts with the early HP LaserJet's, you might well put it on the list. Without the LaserWriter, desktop publishing would have taken a far different path. As you point out, MP3 players existed before the iPod. The combination of the iPod, iTunes, and the iTunes store legitimized digitally downloaded music and brought it into the mainstream. Finally, smartphones existed before the iPhone, and today Android phones outsell iPhone's rather handily. But if you take a look at other smart phones before and after the iPhone, you can see how the iPhone was a game changer. If you need a reminder of that, compare the amount of press given the iPhone 4s's release as compared to any other mobile related technology. There's an app for that. I think the jury is still out on the iPad. After the iPhone, it was clear we'd see a spectrum of device sizes, even though UMPC's had failed miserably. On the plus side, none of the other tablets so far have made a dent in iPad sales or market share. On the minus side, the iPad is currently too expensive and is suboptimal as a book reader. -- Mike Benveniste -- (Clarification Required) Its name is Public opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles everything. Some think it is the voice of God. -- Mark Twain |
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Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-10-17 02:30:04 -0700, Whisky-dave said: I;'d heard that the reason WWII came about was because Hitlers mother was going to have an abortion but her doctor talked her out of it, so is that doctor responsible for WWII . It would be just as reasonable to say the only reason Hitler came to power, and subsequently WWII came about, was because the Central powers lost WWI, and Germany was gutted by the Western Allies in 1919 with the Treaty of Versailles. Quite. Also, you could say the Central Powers lost the war unconditionally because the U.S. entered it in 1917, with great quantities of fresh troops, munitions and food. The European forces by then were pretty much exhausted on both sides, and probably would have had to settle the whole thing eventually with something much less drastic and punitive than the Versailles treaty. Also, if Chamberlain, humiliated after Munich, had not out of pique made those foolish guarantees to Poland, the Poles probably would have been reasonable about negotiating with Hitler over the matter of returning Danzig to Germany -- which most British, even the bellicose Churchill, thought should have been done anyway. Danzig was ethnically 95% German and wanted to be returned to Germany just as much as Hitler wanted it returned. There might have been a war anyway, but it wouldn't have been another world war. Hitler certainly never wanted war with Britain or any other part of the west. Also, if a certain butterfly had not fluttered by in quite that way at just the right moment in Indonesia, of course everything might have been different. ;-) |
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