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In article , PAS wrote:
I plan on getting an iMac within the next year to see how I like it. Whichever Mac you choose I recommend at least 16 GB RAM. The transition might annoy you a little bit at first as some things will be different due to a lifetime of habits. That said, I believe you will find your new experience with a Mac surprisingly pleasant. Just be patient through the adaption period, keep an open mind, and remember you can always run Windows 10 on your new Mac, either with a Bootcamp partition or VM. My recommendation would be to use VMware Fusion. I will definitely spec it with 16GB of RAM, no less. Yes, I've developed quite a lot of habits using Windows for over 20 years. I'm sure the transition won't be too frustrating. I'll have all the time I need to get adapted - I'm retiring in 2 1/2 weeks. what are you going to use the mac for? don't assume that memory requirements of windows are the same as macos, particularly when the mac has *extremely* fast ssd. |
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wrote: Overall, the problem is that Adobe's not currently using the GPU for all processes. As such, it only has to 'fall back' for the (still) relatively small set of subroutines which do actually employ GPU acceleration...if & when so invoked by one's workflow. For some users, that in of itself may very well be effectively a "never" right from the start. not all things benefit from offloading to a gpu. True enough. when something benefits from the gpu, adobe uses the gpu. if it doesn't, they don't. that's exactly how it should be. Within reason. The problem they have is that their design architectural configuration traditionally was quite serial and didn't allow for parallelism leveraging as parallelism became more commonplace/feasible/beneficial. nope. again, not everything benefits from parallelism. Oh, so you've then made a self-contradiction. nope much of what photoshop does is i/o bound, which can't be parallelized. But if it was I/O bound, then moving a computation from CPU to GPU card & back wouldn't result in a performance gain. many times it doesn't, and there is also the overhead of moving it back and forth too. photoshop uses the gpu only when it will accelerate a given operation. if that operation would be faster on the cpu, then that's where it will run. Overall, Adobe's not really a particularly sophisticated user of GPU potential nonsense. Oh, and you were doing so well! The cited Adobe webpage made it pretty clear that their software is limited to only using one GPU card at a time. most people have one gpu card. it's optimized for the common case. plus, a second gpu isn't necessarily better. again, not everything benefits from one gpu, let alone two. lots of apps don't use multiple gpus. adobe isn't unique in that regard. Irrelevant & a distraction attempt. nope. it's reality. You're trying to deflect from admitting that you were wrong in disagreeing with my statement that Adobe is not a particularly sophisticated user of GPU potential. of course i disagree. that statement is flat out absurd. (and you conveniently snipped that text) As I had said: "Contrasting that limitation on sophistication, I can personally recall working on a project with image analysis that used multiple discrete GPU cards (IIRC, ~8) ... way back in 2004. *that* is irrelevant (and why it was snipped). what you did with some random analysis app in 2004 has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with photoshop. they are two totally different apps, with two totally different code bases and two totally different goals. you're also oblivious to the fact that photoshop was using multiple processors in the 1990s, ten years before you were working on that project. there wasn't much gpu acceleration back then, but there were dsp cards that dramatically accelerated photoshop. Now you may wish to claim that Adobe is "sophisticated", absolutely. but compared to how others have done distributed graphical processing across multiple discrete GPU cards, Adobe's current status is over a decade behind the start of the art." nonsense. complete utter nonsense. And now you're trying to rationalize why Adobe only supports but a single GPU card with a "most people" statement: that's a reasonably good case for business optimization - - but it simply does not support a claim of a superior level of technological sophistication. what matters is whether the end result is faster, not how many gpus are used. using two gpus simply because two of them must be twice as good as one is crazy. it's a bigger number so it must be better! doesn't work that way. the same applies to multi-core. some (ignorant) people bitch about how photoshop doesn't always use all available cores. the answer is because sometimes it's faster to do a particular task on 1 or 2 cores than it is on 4 or 8 cores. photoshop is *incredibly* optimized, even tuned to specific versions of processors. to claim that adobe is not sophisticated is absurd. |
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On 6/21/2017 11:27 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PAS wrote: I plan on getting an iMac within the next year to see how I like it. did i read that correctly??? anyway, i suggest getting an 18 core imac pro. that should be enough. Yes you read that right. I've mentioned it before. I've wanted one for some time now. I've always admired the engineering/design of their products. |
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In article , PAS wrote:
I plan on getting an iMac within the next year to see how I like it. did i read that correctly??? anyway, i suggest getting an 18 core imac pro. that should be enough. Yes you read that right. I've mentioned it before. I've wanted one for some time now. I've always admired the engineering/design of their products. the design is more than skin deep too. anyway, a more realistic suggestion would be a retina imac 5k with the dci-p3 wide gamut display. they were just updated a few weeks ago. |
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On 6/21/2017 11:27 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PAS wrote: I plan on getting an iMac within the next year to see how I like it. Whichever Mac you choose I recommend at least 16 GB RAM. The transition might annoy you a little bit at first as some things will be different due to a lifetime of habits. That said, I believe you will find your new experience with a Mac surprisingly pleasant. Just be patient through the adaption period, keep an open mind, and remember you can always run Windows 10 on your new Mac, either with a Bootcamp partition or VM. My recommendation would be to use VMware Fusion. I will definitely spec it with 16GB of RAM, no less. Yes, I've developed quite a lot of habits using Windows for over 20 years. I'm sure the transition won't be too frustrating. I'll have all the time I need to get adapted - I'm retiring in 2 1/2 weeks. what are you going to use the mac for? don't assume that memory requirements of windows are the same as macos, particularly when the mac has *extremely* fast ssd. Most likely I'll use it for Photoshop and other imaging apps. Maybe I'll like it enough to use it for everything else too Let's assume we have a Mac and a Windows PC with similar hardware specs. How would the memory performance be different and why would it be different? I'm ignorant as to how a Mac OS utilizes hardware. If we take an SSD out of the equation for both comparable systems, is the performance any different? |
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On 6/21/2017 11:27 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PAS wrote: If the number of PCs sold for business use were removed from the equation, I highly doubt that the claim "when people have a choice they *overwhelmingly* choose a Mac" is true. The majority of home users use a Windows PC, not a Mac. that's past tense, what they bought some years ago, not what they're buying today and what they're buying going forward. What the majority of home users are buying today are Windows PCs. |
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On Jun 21, 2017, PAS wrote
(in article ): On 6/21/2017 10:53 AM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 21, 2017, PAS wrote (in article ): On 6/21/2017 10:02 AM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 21, 2017, PAS wrote (in article ): On 6/20/2017 4:49 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 20, 2017, nospam wrote (in ) : In , wrote: Snip Take out corporate sales and the numbers are still overwhelmingly in favor of Windows PCs and you know that. they aren't. look around. there are ****loads of macs. Why not just take a poll among the usual suspects in this room? As best I can recall the Mac users here are Alan Browne, Davoud, David B., Sandman, Whisky-Dave, you, and me. That is 7 confirmed, there might be a few more. Confirmed Windows users are Eric, PeterN, Tony Cooper, PAS, Mayayana, Bill W, Noons, David Taylor, and probably at least 5 more for around 13. Then there is Floyd who has no time for Windows, or MacOS, along with the other Linux devotees. We've got two desktops. One is an older HP in our guestroom that was bought when Windows Vista was released. I have Windows 10 on it now and it's still going strong. It gets used mostly by guests when they stay over. My desktop is one I built about 1 1/2 years ago. We have three laptops in the house. Mine is seldom used. My wife refuses to give up her tired old laptop for the new one I bought her over a year ago. But very soon she'll have no choice I plan on getting an iMac within the next year to see how I like it. Whichever Mac you choose I recommend at least 16 GB RAM. The transition might annoy you a little bit at first as some things will be different due to a lifetime of habits. That said, I believe you will find your new experience with a Mac surprisingly pleasant. Just be patient through the adaption period, keep an open mind, and remember you can always run Windows 10 on your new Mac, either with a Bootcamp partition or VM. My recommendation would be to use VMware Fusion. I will definitely spec it with 16GB of RAM, no less. Yes, I've developed quite a lot of habits using Windows for over 20 years. I'm sure the transition won't be too frustrating. I'll have all the time I need to get adapted - I'm retiring in 2 1/2 weeks. Let me be the first to welcome you to the Great Army of the Gainfully Unemployed. Thank you! Lots of big changes on our lives. Retiring, selling or home, packing up, leaving friends, heading to a new place for a new life. IIRC your son is with NYPD. I guess he has his home somewhere in the NYC area. Where in NY is your home, and where are you planning to move? I made the move from Upstate NY to California over 40 years ago and I am quite content here on the California Central Coast in San Luis Obispo County. My only issue this week has been the current heat wave. Since Thursday last week we have had temperatures ranging from 103ºF-106ºF (39.4ºC-40.5ºC) with no relief in the offing until the weekend when we should have a cold snap in the mid 90’s. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On Jun 21, 2017, nospam wrote
(in ) : In , wrote: I plan on getting an iMac within the next year to see how I like it. did i read that correctly??? anyway, i suggest getting an 18 core imac pro. that should be enough. Yes you read that right. I've mentioned it before. I've wanted one for some time now. I've always admired the engineering/design of their products. the design is more than skin deep too. anyway, a more realistic suggestion would be a retina imac 5k with the dci-p3 wide gamut display. they were just updated a few weeks ago. Yup! The 5K is on my upgrade spec list. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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In article , PAS wrote:
I will definitely spec it with 16GB of RAM, no less. Yes, I've developed quite a lot of habits using Windows for over 20 years. I'm sure the transition won't be too frustrating. I'll have all the time I need to get adapted - I'm retiring in 2 1/2 weeks. what are you going to use the mac for? don't assume that memory requirements of windows are the same as macos, particularly when the mac has *extremely* fast ssd. Most likely I'll use it for Photoshop and other imaging apps. then 16 gig is probably a good idea. Maybe I'll like it enough to use it for everything else too you just might. Let's assume we have a Mac and a Windows PC with similar hardware specs. How would the memory performance be different and why would it be different? I'm ignorant as to how a Mac OS utilizes hardware. If we take an SSD out of the equation for both comparable systems, is the performance any different? why take the ssd out of the equation? ssds on the latest macs are much faster than the ssds usually found on windows systems, especially if they're using a sata ssd, benchmarking in the range of 3 gigabytes (not bits) per second. |
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In article , PAS wrote:
If the number of PCs sold for business use were removed from the equation, I highly doubt that the claim "when people have a choice they *overwhelmingly* choose a Mac" is true. The majority of home users use a Windows PC, not a Mac. that's past tense, what they bought some years ago, not what they're buying today and what they're buying going forward. What the majority of home users are buying today are Windows PCs. again, no. |
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