Travel without a camera

On 6/19/2017 11:07 PM, nospam wrote:
In article .com,
Savageduck wrote:

Get a Windows PC. I can't begin to
describe all the fun you'll have working on it. Plus you can Google
unlimited help, all of which will eventually be needed...
I¹d rather sit back and listen to the bitching from those in the Windows
camp.
it's very amusing to see the level of crap that people put up with just
to run windows.

It's very amusing to listen to the crap a Mac user gives a Windows user
who has no issues running Windows. If most people wanted a Mac, they'd
buy one instead of a Windows system. The fact is they don't. Leave it
at that and accept the reality that people have different opinions than
you do and that your opinion is no more superior than theirs.

In article , PAS wrote:

Get a Windows PC. I can't begin to
describe all the fun you'll have working on it. Plus you can Google
unlimited help, all of which will eventually be needed...
I1d rather sit back and listen to the bitching from those in the Windows
camp.
it's very amusing to see the level of crap that people put up with just
to run windows.

It's very amusing to listen to the crap a Mac user gives a Windows user
who has no issues running Windows.

nobody is giving anyone any crap.

If most people wanted a Mac, they'd
buy one instead of a Windows system.

not true at all.

most people with windows systems have no choice because that's what
they were given by corporate. many times, they have a pc at work and a
mac at home.

when people *do* have a choice, based on an objective comparison of the
options available, they overwhelmingly choose a mac.

The fact is they don't. Leave it
at that and accept the reality that people have different opinions than
you do and that your opinion is no more superior than theirs.

i don't give a **** what people buy.

all i said was that it's amusing to watch people suffer through various
problems with windows and flat out refuse to investigate alternatives.

it's like a battered wife who won't ever leave.

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:29:27 AM UTC-4, nospam wrote:
-hh wrote:


Overall, the problem is that Adobe's not currently using
the GPU for all processes. As such, it only has to 'fall
back' for the (still) relatively small set of subroutines
which do actually employ GPU acceleration...if & when
so invoked by one's workflow. For some users, that in of
itself may very well be effectively a "never" right from
the start.

not all things benefit from offloading to a gpu.

True enough.

when something benefits from the gpu, adobe uses the gpu.
if it doesn't, they don't.

that's exactly how it should be.

Within reason. The problem they have is that their design
architectural configuration traditionally was quite serial
and didn't allow for parallelism leveraging as parallelism
became more commonplace/feasible/beneficial.


Quite true. But this is all the more reason to ensure that your
hardware meets Adobes (future) requirements.

Sure ... but that can very much be a crap shoot, particularly if one
happens to pick a "better" but less popular product, since Adobe's
certification process also includes in-house qualification testing. As
such, it may be wiser to stick with a less powerful but more mainstream
GPU card because it will be more likely to be tested to be certified
and thus, be on their list.

they can't test every card.

And those that they do test will be based on a prioritization criteria.


Overall, Adobe's not really a particularly sophisticated user
of GPU potential

nonsense.

Oh, and you were doing so well!

The cited Adobe webpage made it pretty clear that their
software is limited to only using one GPU card at a time.

Contrasting that limitation on sophistication, I can personally
recall working on a project with image analysis that used
multiple discrete GPU cards (IIRC, ~8) ... way back in 2004.

Now you may wish to claim that Adobe is "sophisticated",
but compared to how others have done distributed graphical
processing across multiple discrete GPU cards, Adobe's
current status is over a decade behind the start of the art.

Functionally, Adobe's architectural design is relying merely
on the technological progress of making a single GPU card
faster, rather than themselves extending the principles of
parallel processing to leverage using multiple discrete cards.


-hh

On 6/20/2017 9:36 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , PAS wrote:

Get a Windows PC. I can't begin to
describe all the fun you'll have working on it. Plus you can Google
unlimited help, all of which will eventually be needed...
I1d rather sit back and listen to the bitching from those in the Windows
camp.
it's very amusing to see the level of crap that people put up with just
to run windows.
It's very amusing to listen to the crap a Mac user gives a Windows user
who has no issues running Windows.
nobody is giving anyone any crap.

If most people wanted a Mac, they'd
buy one instead of a Windows system.
not true at all.

most people with windows systems have no choice because that's what
they were given by corporate. many times, they have a pc at work and a
mac at home.

when people *do* have a choice, based on an objective comparison of the
options available, they overwhelmingly choose a mac.

Care to cite references that prove your claim that home users
overwhelmingly choose a Mac over a Windows PC?


The fact is they don't. Leave it
at that and accept the reality that people have different opinions than
you do and that your opinion is no more superior than theirs.
i don't give a **** what people buy.

all i said was that it's amusing to watch people suffer through various
problems with windows and flat out refuse to investigate alternatives.

it's like a battered wife who won't ever leave.

Of course you care, if you didn't you wouldn't harp on this the way you do.

In article , PAS wrote:

Get a Windows PC. I can't begin to
describe all the fun you'll have working on it. Plus you can Google
unlimited help, all of which will eventually be needed...
I1d rather sit back and listen to the bitching from those in the Windows
camp.
it's very amusing to see the level of crap that people put up with just
to run windows.
It's very amusing to listen to the crap a Mac user gives a Windows user
who has no issues running Windows.
nobody is giving anyone any crap.

If most people wanted a Mac, they'd
buy one instead of a Windows system.
not true at all.

most people with windows systems have no choice because that's what
they were given by corporate. many times, they have a pc at work and a
mac at home.

when people *do* have a choice, based on an objective comparison of the
options available, they overwhelmingly choose a mac.

Care to cite references that prove your claim that home users
overwhelmingly choose a Mac over a Windows PC?

here's a few:

https://www.jamf.com/blog/debate-ove...acs-are-535-le
ss-expensive-than-pcs/
In 2015, IBM let their employees decide * Windows or Mac. ³The goal
was to deliver a great employee choice program and strive to achieve
the best Mac program,² Previn said. An emerging favorite meant the
deployment of 30,000 Macs over the course of the year. But that
number has grown. With more employees choosing Mac than ever before,
the company now has 90,000 deployed (with only five admins supporting
them), making it the largest Mac deployment on earth.

But isn¹t it expensive, and doesn¹t it overload IT? No. IBM found
that not only do PCs drive twice the amount of support calls, they¹re
also three times more expensive. That¹s right, depending on the
model, IBM is saving anywhere from $273 - $543 per Mac compared to a
PC, over a four-year lifespan. ³And this reflects the best pricing
we¹ve ever gotten from Microsoft,² Previn said. Multiply that number
by the 100,000+ Macs IBM expects to have deployed by the end of the
year, and we¹re talking some serious savings.

Needless to say, the employees at IBM got it right. And with 73% of
them saying they want their next computer to be a Mac, the success
will only increase with time.

https://betanews.com/2010/02/01/nine...iced-pcs-sold-
at-us-retail-is-a-mac/
...In July, I reported that*Apple's revenue share for PCs selling for
more than $1,000 was 91 percent, because of higher average selling
prices; nearly all Macs sold for more than $1,000. Now Apple benefits
from 90-percent unit share, too.

Stated differently: Nine out of 10 premium PCs purchased from US
retail brick-and-mortar stores or online sites (including major
chains and Apple Store) during fourth quarter was a Mac.

apple only offers one model under $1000, so obviously they won't
dominate that segment, but those are *not* all windows. schools are
overwhemingly choosing chromebooks, which typically sell for $200 or
so, and they now dominate the education sector. moving up to the $500
range, tablets are a very popular choice, often replacing a laptop.

mac sales overall have been outpacing the industry itself nearly every
quarter for more than 10 years. mac sales are growing while the
industry itself is shrinking.

visit a microsoft store and it'll be empty, maybe a couple of customers
there. visit an apple store and it will be packed with people buying
stuff, and during the holidays, it's *really* packed, so much so that
there's often a line just to get into the store because it's at the
capacity of the building. meanwhile, people walk right past the
microsoft store.

The fact is they don't. Leave it
at that and accept the reality that people have different opinions than
you do and that your opinion is no more superior than theirs.
i don't give a **** what people buy.

all i said was that it's amusing to watch people suffer through various
problems with windows and flat out refuse to investigate alternatives.

it's like a battered wife who won't ever leave.

Of course you care, if you didn't you wouldn't harp on this the way you do.

i harp because of all the misinformation, which apparently knows no
bounds.

i use multiple systems, depending on the task, including windows 10.
creators was finally pushed to me last week, after two months of its
release.

In article ,
nospam wrote:

i use multiple systems, depending on the task, including windows 10.
creators was finally pushed to me last week, after two months of its
release.

Sooo.... Now you can enjoy 3D Paint!
--
teleportation kills

In article , android
wrote:


i use multiple systems, depending on the task, including windows 10.
creators was finally pushed to me last week, after two months of its
release.

Sooo.... Now you can enjoy 3D Paint!

that isn't high on my list.

On 6/20/2017 2:07 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PAS wrote:

Get a Windows PC. I can't begin to
describe all the fun you'll have working on it. Plus you can Google
unlimited help, all of which will eventually be needed...
I1d rather sit back and listen to the bitching from those in the Windows
camp.
it's very amusing to see the level of crap that people put up with just
to run windows.
It's very amusing to listen to the crap a Mac user gives a Windows user
who has no issues running Windows.
nobody is giving anyone any crap.

If most people wanted a Mac, they'd
buy one instead of a Windows system.
not true at all.

most people with windows systems have no choice because that's what
they were given by corporate. many times, they have a pc at work and a
mac at home.

when people *do* have a choice, based on an objective comparison of the
options available, they overwhelmingly choose a mac.
Care to cite references that prove your claim that home users
overwhelmingly choose a Mac over a Windows PC?
here's a few:

https://www.jamf.com/blog/debate-ove...acs-are-535-le
ss-expensive-than-pcs/
In 2015, IBM let their employees decide Â* Windows or Mac. ³The goal
was to deliver a great employee choice program and strive to achieve
the best Mac program,² Previn said. An emerging favorite meant the
deployment of 30,000 Macs over the course of the year. But that
number has grown. With more employees choosing Mac than ever before,
the company now has 90,000 deployed (with only five admins supporting
them), making it the largest Mac deployment on earth.

But isn¹t it expensive, and doesn¹t it overload IT? No. IBM found
that not only do PCs drive twice the amount of support calls, they¹re
also three times more expensive. That¹s right, depending on the
model, IBM is saving anywhere from $273 - $543 per Mac compared to a
PC, over a four-year lifespan. ³And this reflects the best pricing
we¹ve ever gotten from Microsoft,² Previn said. Multiply that number
by the 100,000+ Macs IBM expects to have deployed by the end of the
year, and we¹re talking some serious savings.

Needless to say, the employees at IBM got it right. And with 73% of
them saying they want their next computer to be a Mac, the success
will only increase with time.

https://betanews.com/2010/02/01/nine...iced-pcs-sold-
at-us-retail-is-a-mac/
...In July, I reported that Apple's revenue share for PCs selling for
more than $1,000 was 91 percent, because of higher average selling
prices; nearly all Macs sold for more than $1,000. Now Apple benefits
from 90-percent unit share, too.

Stated differently: Nine out of 10 premium PCs purchased from US
retail brick-and-mortar stores or online sites (including major
chains and Apple Store) during fourth quarter was a Mac.

apple only offers one model under $1000, so obviously they won't
dominate that segment, but those are *not* all windows. schools are
overwhemingly choosing chromebooks, which typically sell for $200 or
so, and they now dominate the education sector. moving up to the $500
range, tablets are a very popular choice, often replacing a laptop.

mac sales overall have been outpacing the industry itself nearly every
quarter for more than 10 years. mac sales are growing while the
industry itself is shrinking.

visit a microsoft store and it'll be empty, maybe a couple of customers
there. visit an apple store and it will be packed with people buying
stuff, and during the holidays, it's *really* packed, so much so that
there's often a line just to get into the store because it's at the
capacity of the building. meanwhile, people walk right past the
microsoft store.

Other than purely anecdotal evidence, why didn't you simply say that you
really cannot cite any proof to your claim that

"when people *do* have a choice, based on an objective comparison of the
options available, they overwhelmingly choose a mac"

The facts are that home users overwhelmingly choose Windows PCs. Most
home users aren't using "premium" systems and, furthermore, the numbers
never take into account the who-knows-how-many thousands and thousands
of people who build their own premium PCs and they run Windows.



The fact is they don't. Leave it
at that and accept the reality that people have different opinions than
you do and that your opinion is no more superior than theirs.
i don't give a **** what people buy.

all i said was that it's amusing to watch people suffer through various
problems with windows and flat out refuse to investigate alternatives.

it's like a battered wife who won't ever leave.
Of course you care, if you didn't you wouldn't harp on this the way you do.
i harp because of all the misinformation, which apparently knows no
bounds.

i use multiple systems, depending on the task, including windows 10.
creators was finally pushed to me last week, after two months of its
release.

In article , PAS wrote:


Other than purely anecdotal evidence, why didn't you simply say that you
really cannot cite any proof to your claim that

"when people *do* have a choice, based on an objective comparison of the
options available, they overwhelmingly choose a mac"

because that would be a lie. there's extensive proof.

The facts are that home users overwhelmingly choose Windows PCs.

not anymore they don't.

Most
home users aren't using "premium" systems and, furthermore, the numbers
never take into account the who-knows-how-many thousands and thousands
of people who build their own premium PCs and they run Windows.

laptops have greatly outsold desktops for well over a decade and nobody
builds their own laptops.

that leaves desktops, and nearly all of those are prebuilt.

those who build their own is a tiny segment and shrinking.

On 6/20/2017 2:31 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PAS wrote:

Other than purely anecdotal evidence, why didn't you simply say that you
really cannot cite any proof to your claim that

"when people *do* have a choice, based on an objective comparison of the
options available, they overwhelmingly choose a mac"
because that would be a lie. there's extensive proof.

The facts are that home users overwhelmingly choose Windows PCs.
not anymore they don't.

Most
home users aren't using "premium" systems and, furthermore, the numbers
never take into account the who-knows-how-many thousands and thousands
of people who build their own premium PCs and they run Windows.
laptops have greatly outsold desktops for well over a decade and nobody
builds their own laptops.

that leaves desktops, and nearly all of those are prebuilt.

those who build their own is a tiny segment and shrinking.

LOL. You are good for a laugh. Sales for 2016:

Lenovo 21.3%, HP 20.9%, Dell 15.7%, Asus 7.1%, Apple 7.1%, all others 27.7%

https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/23/mac-s...gained-ground/

Explain how that equates to the majority of users choosing a Mac over a
Windows PC.