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iOS 11 and macOS High Sierra
On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 00:53:02 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: The measurement need not be declared to all users, but the fact that there is a battery draw should be recognized even if that draw amount is insignificant and of no detriment to performance. You don't deny it because you don't know how to measure it. i know that it's too small to be measured. It might be too small for you to measure but I know there are people in the field who could do it as a matter of routine: all the chip designers for a start. too small for everyone except chip designers, who aren't fixated on nitpicking every little word solely to argue. So you agree there are people who could measure it. however, not chip designers will bother to tear apart an iphone to measure it. they'll just laugh at the absurdity of the request. How do you know? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On 6/8/2017 10:35 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Bill W wrote: http://www.tek.com/document/technica...-how-measure-c urrents-attoampere-range?asset=50390 interesting. No problem at all. I think Fry's sells them... i'm gonna stop at radio shack tomorrow. If you can find one that's still open. They closed all but 70 stores. |
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iOS 11 and macOS High Sierra
On 6/8/2017 7:32 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"PAS" wrote | FWIW, I'm a Windows user and don't customize much so I don't | see if I had to or wanted to switch to a Mac would be a problem for me | except for the fact that I build my own desktops. That's what I meant. I don't mean things like picking folder colors. I meant that a Mac is generally far more locked down than Windows, in terms of hardware. Some of their laptops are virtually encased in resin. Apple go out of their way to prevent upgrading customizing. I've replaced hard drives in a couple of laptops and added RAM to a few. But most laptops my family has used have over the years have not been upgraded, no need to. I suspect that holds for the majority of laptop users. | On the other hand, | you can Windows on a Mac so it can be just as | customized like any | Windows system. | Did you mean to say you can put Windows on a Mac? Yes. If you want to buy a Mac, and also buy a Windows disk, then go through all that trouble. It's a lot cheaper to put Windows on a PC. Yes, I mean you can put Windows on a Mac. I have not done it as I've never used a Mac. But I highly doubt there's much "trouble" to go through to install Windows on a Mac. For people who want a Mac but still have a need to use Windows for something, it's a good solution. Most people use Windows but I know others who simply prefer a Mac. |
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iOS 11 and macOS High Sierra
On 6/8/2017 8:37 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Jun 8, 2017, PAS wrote (in article ): I know a lot of folks who use Macs instead of Windows, like some people in this newsgroup. It meets their needs - some power users and some who just do simple run-of-the-mill tasks like web-surfing, email, some documents. FWIW, I'm a Windows user and don't customize much so I don't see if I had to or wanted to switch to a Mac would be a problem for me except for the fact that I build my own desktops. What exactly do you mean by, “...except for the fact that I build my own desktops”? If you are refering to appearance of desktops, that is easily done on any Mac, if not what do you mean. What I meant was that I build my own desktop computers. If I could build one that would run a Mac legally, I would but installing Mac OS on one would be a violation of their license agreement. I'm sure that it wouldn't be a straightforward install either. On the other hand, you can Windows on a Mac so it can be just as customized like any Windows system. |
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On 6/8/2017 8:42 PM, nospam wrote:
In article .com, Savageduck wrote: I know a lot of folks who use Macs instead of Windows, like some people in this newsgroup. It meets their needs - some power users and some who just do simple run-of-the-mill tasks like web-surfing, email, some documents. FWIW, I'm a Windows user and don't customize much so I don't see if I had to or wanted to switch to a Mac would be a problem for me except for the fact that I build my own desktops. What exactly do you mean by, ³...except for the fact that I build my own desktops²? If you are refering to appearance of desktops, that is easily done on any Mac, if not what do you mean. custom built hardware. buy a power supply, enclosure, logic board, video card, etc. and put it all together (and hope it works). It works, I know what I'm doing. that's easy to do for a desktop, but impossible to do for a laptop unless don't mind something horribly clunky and overly large. |
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iOS 11 and macOS High Sierra
On 6/8/2017 9:45 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Mayayana wrote: | On the other hand, | you can Windows on a Mac so it can be just as customized like any | Windows system. Try turning that around: "On the other hand, you can always put Mac on Windows." If anyone wanted to do that, the natural next question would be: If you want to put Mac on Windows then why are you running Windows at all? some people run macos on a pc. it's called a hackintosh. it works, but takes a fair amount of effort that could be better spent doing actual work. It's a violation of the license agreement too. Some of us do abide by those things. That's the obvious question with Windows on Mac: If you're going to put Windows on an overpriced, limited Mac, that's your first problem. no need to get an overpriced limited mac when competitively priced very capable macs exist. then why not cut out the middleman and run Windows? because with windows a mac, you can natively run mac, windows *and* unix apps, giving the user the widest choice of software. |
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"PAS" wrote
| | That's what I meant. I don't mean things like | picking folder colors. I meant that a Mac is | generally far more locked down than Windows, | in terms of hardware. Some of their laptops | are virtually encased in resin. Apple go out | of their way to prevent upgrading customizing. | | I've replaced hard drives in a couple of laptops and added RAM to a | few. But most laptops my family has used have over the years have not | been upgraded, no need to. I suspect that holds for the majority of | laptop users. | That was just an example. Some Mac laptops have actually been encased in resin. Even replacing the hard disk you'd be out of luck. Are you actually unfamiliar with Apple hardware problems? They even invented their own screw drive design to block people from opening things. Just today, at Slashdot, I saw this: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac...Teardown/92170 People are pleasantly surprised that the new iMac CPU can be upgraded and the RAM is not soldered into place. Low expectations. | Yes, I mean you can put Windows on a Mac. I have not done it as I've | never used a Mac. But I highly doubt there's much "trouble" | to go through to install Windows on a Mac. First there's the cost of a Windows disk. If I remember correctly, a Pro copy is required. That's probably about $200 OEM or $300 full license. Then you need to be willing to waste all those resources to actually run an OS within an OS. It's incredibly inefficient. Then.... For what? The argument that "you should buy this car because you can always drive a different one" is hardly a convincing sales pitch. If people have money to burn and want Mac, they can buy Mac. If they also need Windows they can buy a fullscale desktop for $300-$400. And unlike Mac, it won't be glued shut. That's a whole computer for almost the same cost as getting Windows shoehorned into the Mac. I never said people shouldn't use Macs, so I don't see why you feel you need to defend them. I only agreed with you that they're like sports cars: Expensive, limited, and pretty. Sports cars have their place. |
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iOS 11 and macOS High Sierra
On Jun 9, 2017, PAS wrote
(in article ): On 6/8/2017 8:37 PM, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 8, 2017, PAS wrote (in article ): I know a lot of folks who use Macs instead of Windows, like some people in this newsgroup. It meets their needs - some power users and some who just do simple run-of-the-mill tasks like web-surfing, email, some documents. FWIW, I'm a Windows user and don't customize much so I don't see if I had to or wanted to switch to a Mac would be a problem for me except for the fact that I build my own desktops. What exactly do you mean by, “...except for the fact that I build my own desktops”? If you are refering to appearance of desktops, that is easily done on any Mac, if not what do you mean. What I meant was that I build my own desktop computers. If I could build one that would run a Mac legally, I would but installing Mac OS on one would be a violation of their license agreement. I'm sure that it wouldn't be a straightforward install either. OK. That makes sense. I needed clarification because “ build desktops” is somewhat ambiguous, while “build desktop computers” is clear and exact. On the other hand, you can Windows on a Mac so it can be just as customized like any Windows system. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: | That's what I meant. I don't mean things like | picking folder colors. I meant that a Mac is | generally far more locked down than Windows, | in terms of hardware. Some of their laptops | are virtually encased in resin. Apple go out | of their way to prevent upgrading customizing. | | I've replaced hard drives in a couple of laptops and added RAM to a | few. But most laptops my family has used have over the years have not | been upgraded, no need to. I suspect that holds for the majority of | laptop users. That was just an example. Some Mac laptops have actually been encased in resin. Even replacing the hard disk you'd be out of luck. what hard disk? mac laptops don't have hard disks anymore, so nothing to replace. Are you actually unfamiliar with Apple hardware problems? They even invented their own screw drive design to block people from opening things. that was done to optimize manufacturing and the proper tools are readily available for a few bucks from amazon or elsewhere. not a big deal at all. now go look at the security screws on a flip phone or cable tv box. many of them have security screws, and those tools are not as easy to get (although not impossible). First there's the cost of a Windows disk. If I remember correctly, a Pro copy is required. That's probably about $200 OEM or $300 full license. you 'remember' wrong. more accurately, you never knew. there is no requirement to get pro. Then you need to be willing to waste all those resources to actually run an OS within an OS. It's incredibly inefficient. nope. there is no waste in doing so. windows runs *natively*. Then.... For what? The argument that "you should buy this car because you can always drive a different one" is hardly a convincing sales pitch. to run a windows app. duh. If people have money to burn and want Mac, they can buy Mac. If they also need Windows they can buy a fullscale desktop for $300-$400. not a very good computer. in fact, a rather ****ty one. And unlike Mac, it won't be glued shut. That's a whole computer for almost the same cost as getting Windows shoehorned into the Mac. who cares. how often do you open your computer, versus use it? by the way, apple used to make macs that were very easy to open, without any tools at all. just pop a latch with your finger. for the older powermacs, the computer did not even need to be shut off when opening it. it turned out that few people cared. most people do actual work with their computer, not take it apart and put it back together all day long. https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/xU2K4BtAhUqqKAmR.huge https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Mac_G4_MDD_ope n.jpg https://support.apple.com/library/co...are/images/en_ US/macpro/remove_side_panel.png https://support.apple.com/library/co...are/images/en_ US/macpro/6_core_push_latches.png https://support.apple.com/library/co...are/images/en_ US/macpro/6_core_remove_tray.png I never said people shouldn't use Macs, so I don't see why you feel you need to defend them. I only agreed with you that they're like sports cars: Expensive, limited, and pretty. Sports cars have their place. macs are not expensive, nor are they limited. however, they are pretty, most of them, anyway. there were a couple of not so attractive ones over the years. |
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In article , PAS wrote:
| FWIW, I'm a Windows user and don't customize much so I don't | see if I had to or wanted to switch to a Mac would be a problem for me | except for the fact that I build my own desktops. That's what I meant. I don't mean things like picking folder colors. I meant that a Mac is generally far more locked down than Windows, in terms of hardware. Some of their laptops are virtually encased in resin. Apple go out of their way to prevent upgrading customizing. I've replaced hard drives in a couple of laptops and added RAM to a few. But most laptops my family has used have over the years have not been upgraded, no need to. I suspect that holds for the majority of laptop users. which is why it's not a big deal. | On the other hand, | you can Windows on a Mac so it can be just as | customized like any | Windows system. | Did you mean to say you can put Windows on a Mac? Yes. If you want to buy a Mac, and also buy a Windows disk, then go through all that trouble. It's a lot cheaper to put Windows on a PC. Yes, I mean you can put Windows on a Mac. I have not done it as I've never used a Mac. But I highly doubt there's much "trouble" to go through to install Windows on a Mac. it's actually easier than on a pc. For people who want a Mac but still have a need to use Windows for something, it's a good solution. Most people use Windows but I know others who simply prefer a Mac. some use both. |
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