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In article , PeterN
wrote: ... Bloomberg fundamentally misunderstood what was going on. Qualcomm wants to collect a certain sum by way of license and whether you express this as X% of the cost of the phone or 8X% of the cost of a chip is immaterial. nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero. I guess you never heard of value based pricing. i guess you haven't a clue. value based pricing isn't the issue. If you go up a few paragraphs you will see that you have stated the essence of value based pricing, and said it doesn't exist. if you go up a few posts, you will see that i never said what you claim i have. Is it your claim that you never said the following: "nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero." now go back one more level to put it into context since you clearly do not understand it. let me help you: qualcomm wants more money for a given part (in this case, a baseband modem) if the device has more memory, a fingerprint sensor, a wide gamut display, a pencil or various other features that qualcomm did not create and has no claim to. qualcomm is only entitled to be paid for what they created, that being the baseband modem, and not for stuff they didn't. |
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2017 10:43:12 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: qualcomm charges *everyone* (not just apple) based on the price of the entire device, which includes components not from qualcomm. that's wrong. You are bull****ting. You can have no idea of the numbers in the various patent agreements with Qualcomm. If you want to claim that you do, please give a link to each of the relevant license agreements (those which are published) including the monetary data (which is almost never published). it's not bull**** and i've posted links about it already. qualcomm's fees are currently based on the entire product, which includes technology not from qualcomm. how many times do i have to say that? qualcomm is only one part of a modern smartphone or tablet and they're entitled to be paid *only* for that part. But, at what rate? the rate isn't the issue, it's that qualcomm is only entitled to be paid for what they create, not what other companies create. under no circumstances is any company (not just qualcomm) entitled to be paid for components or technology they did not create. But they are entitled to be paid for the technology they did create. exactly the point. But how do you determine the payment? You could hold an auction and sell the patent license to only the one succesful bidder, but I'm not sure that that would go down very well. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2017 12:42:35 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , PeterN wrote: ... Bloomberg fundamentally misunderstood what was going on. Qualcomm wants to collect a certain sum by way of license and whether you express this as X% of the cost of the phone or 8X% of the cost of a chip is immaterial. nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero. I've already quoted specialists in the field explaining why it can be a good idea and is common practice. no you didn't. not only is it not common, but you failed to name another company that engages in such predatory tactics. not a single one. what a company does with the parts they buy does not change the price they pay for it, something you even agreed with. you are defending the indefensible. Wrong. Again simply Google "value based pricing." value based pricing isn't the issue. You may actually learn something. more than you have. Yet another Kindergarten response. You have clue as to what I know. yes i do, from reading your posts. I am more impressed by what he_just_will_not_learn. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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nospam wrote:
nope. i'm talking about real world experience and that of numerous others. the only ignorant and arrogant person is you. You are hilarious! You have zero real world experience. Which is easy for a person with more than 30 years in the industry, working at exactly what we are discussing, to spot. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/ Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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On 6/5/2017 6:18 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: ... Bloomberg fundamentally misunderstood what was going on. Qualcomm wants to collect a certain sum by way of license and whether you express this as X% of the cost of the phone or 8X% of the cost of a chip is immaterial. nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero. I guess you never heard of value based pricing. i guess you haven't a clue. value based pricing isn't the issue. If you go up a few paragraphs you will see that you have stated the essence of value based pricing, and said it doesn't exist. if you go up a few posts, you will see that i never said what you claim i have. Is it your claim that you never said the following: "nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero." now go back one more level to put it into context since you clearly do not understand it. let me help you: qualcomm wants more money for a given part (in this case, a baseband modem) if the device has more memory, a fingerprint sensor, a wide gamut display, a pencil or various other features that qualcomm did not create and has no claim to. qualcomm is only entitled to be paid for what they created, that being the baseband modem, and not for stuff they didn't. I see you admit that Qualcomm is engaged in value based pricing. that is engaged in value based pricing. There is nothing morally wrong with that, in the context of its actions. -- PeterN |
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nospam wrote:
In article , Floyd L. Davidson wrote: so far, you're the only person to claim that business customers get the same level of service. several other people in this thread alone say that's wrong, not just me. Didn't you notice that not a single person who said what you are claiming is true... had any experience other than as a customer looking in from the outside! None of them realize, or could realize, what those of us employed by their service provider would actually be doing. I'm not saying that I suspect what happens is this or that, due to the way somebody else acted or described it or how they talked to me on the phone. I'm telling you that this is what we actually did. This is what Marketing does, this is what Sales does, and if you have a Customer Serice Rep this is what they do... None of those departments ever fix and trouble faults, but if your line stops working this is, instead, the chain of events that necessarily happens to get a repair person to first test the line from the Central Office, and then dispatch someone that works Outside Plant to fix the problem. First come first serve, it makes no difference how big you account is or what class of service, unless you've actually paid specifically for Priority Service (perhaps $50,000 a month). -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/ Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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In article , Floyd L. Davidson
wrote: nope. i'm talking about real world experience and that of numerous others. the only ignorant and arrogant person is you. You are hilarious! You have zero real world experience. Which is easy for a person with more than 30 years in the industry, working at exactly what we are discussing, to spot. not only is this not about me or my experience, which you have no idea what that is, but you can't spot the difference in business versus residential service, something that is well known in the industry. |
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In article , PeterN
wrote: ... Bloomberg fundamentally misunderstood what was going on. Qualcomm wants to collect a certain sum by way of license and whether you express this as X% of the cost of the phone or 8X% of the cost of a chip is immaterial. nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero. I guess you never heard of value based pricing. i guess you haven't a clue. value based pricing isn't the issue. If you go up a few paragraphs you will see that you have stated the essence of value based pricing, and said it doesn't exist. if you go up a few posts, you will see that i never said what you claim i have. Is it your claim that you never said the following: "nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero." now go back one more level to put it into context since you clearly do not understand it. let me help you: qualcomm wants more money for a given part (in this case, a baseband modem) if the device has more memory, a fingerprint sensor, a wide gamut display, a pencil or various other features that qualcomm did not create and has no claim to. qualcomm is only entitled to be paid for what they created, that being the baseband modem, and not for stuff they didn't. I see you admit that Qualcomm is engaged in value based pricing. no, they definitely aren't at all. not even close. that is engaged in value based pricing. There is nothing morally wrong with that, in the context of its actions. the ftc disagrees with you, as do numerous other companies. |
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In article , Floyd L. Davidson
wrote: so far, you're the only person to claim that business customers get the same level of service. several other people in this thread alone say that's wrong, not just me. Didn't you notice that not a single person who said what you are claiming is true... had any experience other than as a customer looking in from the outside! that's all that matters. None of them realize, or could realize, what those of us employed by their service provider would actually be doing. nobody but you cares what goes on inside. at the end of the day, they want their outage fixed as soon as possible, or whatever the problem was. business class service will have it fixed within hours. residential won't. it's that simple. some residential customers are willing to pay for business class service at home because they want that level of service. I'm not saying that I suspect what happens is this or that, due to the way somebody else acted or described it or how they talked to me on the phone. I'm telling you that this is what we actually did. This is what Marketing does, this is what Sales does, and if you have a Customer Serice Rep this is what they do... None of those departments ever fix and trouble faults, but if your line stops working this is, instead, the chain of events that necessarily happens to get a repair person to first test the line from the Central Office, and then dispatch someone that works Outside Plant to fix the problem. nobody said the customer service rep fixes the problem. where in the world did you get that idea??? First come first serve, it makes no difference how big you account is or what class of service, yes it definitely does make a difference. unless you've actually paid specifically for Priority Service (perhaps $50,000 a month). not relevant. |
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