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  #311  
Old June 5th 17, 11:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
wrote:

... Bloomberg fundamentally misunderstood what was going on. Qualcomm
wants to collect a certain sum by way of license and whether you
express this as X% of the cost of the phone or 8X% of the cost of a
chip is immaterial.

nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price
of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero.

I guess you never heard of value based pricing.

i guess you haven't a clue. value based pricing isn't the issue.


If you go up a few paragraphs you will see that you have stated the
essence of value based pricing, and said it doesn't exist.


if you go up a few posts, you will see that i never said what you claim
i have.


Is it your claim that you never said the following:

"nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price
of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero."


now go back one more level to put it into context since you clearly do
not understand it.

let me help you:
qualcomm wants more money for a given part (in this case, a baseband
modem) if the device has more memory, a fingerprint sensor, a wide
gamut display, a pencil or various other features that qualcomm did not
create and has no claim to.

qualcomm is only entitled to be paid for what they created, that being
the baseband modem, and not for stuff they didn't.
  #312  
Old June 5th 17, 11:39 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2017 10:43:12 -0400, nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


qualcomm charges *everyone* (not just apple) based on the price of the
entire device, which includes components not from qualcomm. that's
wrong.


You are bull****ting. You can have no idea of the numbers in the
various patent agreements with Qualcomm. If you want to claim that you
do, please give a link to each of the relevant license agreements
(those which are published) including the monetary data (which is
almost never published).


it's not bull**** and i've posted links about it already.

qualcomm's fees are currently based on the entire product, which
includes technology not from qualcomm.

how many times do i have to say that?

qualcomm is only one part of a modern smartphone or tablet and they're
entitled to be paid *only* for that part.


But, at what rate?


the rate isn't the issue, it's that qualcomm is only entitled to be
paid for what they create, not what other companies create.

under no circumstances is any company (not just qualcomm) entitled to
be paid for components or technology they did not create.


But they are entitled to be paid for the technology they did create.


exactly the point.


But how do you determine the payment? You could hold an auction and
sell the patent license to only the one succesful bidder, but I'm not
sure that that would go down very well.
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  #313  
Old June 5th 17, 11:42 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2017 12:42:35 -0400, nospam
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In article , PeterN
wrote:

... Bloomberg fundamentally misunderstood what was going on. Qualcomm
wants to collect a certain sum by way of license and whether you
express this as X% of the cost of the phone or 8X% of the cost of a
chip is immaterial.

nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price
of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero.

I've already quoted specialists in the field explaining why it can be
a good idea and is common practice.

no you didn't. not only is it not common, but you failed to name
another company that engages in such predatory tactics. not a single
one.

what a company does with the parts they buy does not change the price
they pay for it, something you even agreed with.

you are defending the indefensible.

Wrong. Again simply Google "value based pricing."

value based pricing isn't the issue.

You may actually learn
something.

more than you have.

Yet another Kindergarten response. You have clue as to what I know.


yes i do, from reading your posts.


I am more impressed by what he_just_will_not_learn.
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  #314  
Old June 6th 17, 12:04 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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nospam wrote:

nope. i'm talking about real world experience and that of numerous
others.

the only ignorant and arrogant person is you.


You are hilarious! You have zero real world experience. Which is
easy for a person with more than 30 years in the industry, working
at exactly what we are discussing, to spot.

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Old June 6th 17, 12:14 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 6/5/2017 6:18 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

... Bloomberg fundamentally misunderstood what was going on. Qualcomm
wants to collect a certain sum by way of license and whether you
express this as X% of the cost of the phone or 8X% of the cost of a
chip is immaterial.

nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price
of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero.

I guess you never heard of value based pricing.

i guess you haven't a clue. value based pricing isn't the issue.


If you go up a few paragraphs you will see that you have stated the
essence of value based pricing, and said it doesn't exist.

if you go up a few posts, you will see that i never said what you claim
i have.


Is it your claim that you never said the following:

"nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price
of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero."


now go back one more level to put it into context since you clearly do
not understand it.

let me help you:
qualcomm wants more money for a given part (in this case, a baseband
modem) if the device has more memory, a fingerprint sensor, a wide
gamut display, a pencil or various other features that qualcomm did not
create and has no claim to.

qualcomm is only entitled to be paid for what they created, that being
the baseband modem, and not for stuff they didn't.


I see you admit that Qualcomm is engaged in value based pricing. that is
engaged in value based pricing. There is nothing morally wrong with
that, in the context of its actions.

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Old June 6th 17, 12:15 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Floyd L. Davidson
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nospam wrote:
In article , Floyd L. Davidson
wrote:

so far, you're the only person to claim that business customers get the
same level of service. several other people in this thread alone say
that's wrong, not just me.


Didn't you notice that not a single person who said what
you are claiming is true... had any experience other
than as a customer looking in from the outside! None of
them realize, or could realize, what those of us employed
by their service provider would actually be doing.

I'm not saying that I suspect what happens is this or
that, due to the way somebody else acted or described it
or how they talked to me on the phone. I'm telling you
that this is what we actually did. This is what
Marketing does, this is what Sales does, and if you have
a Customer Serice Rep this is what they do... None of
those departments ever fix and trouble faults, but if
your line stops working this is, instead, the chain of
events that necessarily happens to get a repair person
to first test the line from the Central Office, and then
dispatch someone that works Outside Plant to fix the
problem. First come first serve, it makes no difference
how big you account is or what class of service, unless
you've actually paid specifically for Priority Service
(perhaps $50,000 a month).

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Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
  #317  
Old June 6th 17, 12:33 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Floyd L. Davidson
wrote:


nope. i'm talking about real world experience and that of numerous
others.

the only ignorant and arrogant person is you.


You are hilarious! You have zero real world experience. Which is
easy for a person with more than 30 years in the industry, working
at exactly what we are discussing, to spot.


not only is this not about me or my experience, which you have no idea
what that is, but you can't spot the difference in business versus
residential service, something that is well known in the industry.
  #318  
Old June 6th 17, 12:33 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
wrote:

... Bloomberg fundamentally misunderstood what was going on.
Qualcomm
wants to collect a certain sum by way of license and whether you
express this as X% of the cost of the phone or 8X% of the cost of a
chip is immaterial.

nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price
of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero.

I guess you never heard of value based pricing.

i guess you haven't a clue. value based pricing isn't the issue.


If you go up a few paragraphs you will see that you have stated the
essence of value based pricing, and said it doesn't exist.

if you go up a few posts, you will see that i never said what you claim
i have.

Is it your claim that you never said the following:

"nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price
of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero."


now go back one more level to put it into context since you clearly do
not understand it.

let me help you:
qualcomm wants more money for a given part (in this case, a baseband
modem) if the device has more memory, a fingerprint sensor, a wide
gamut display, a pencil or various other features that qualcomm did not
create and has no claim to.

qualcomm is only entitled to be paid for what they created, that being
the baseband modem, and not for stuff they didn't.


I see you admit that Qualcomm is engaged in value based pricing.


no, they definitely aren't at all. not even close.

that is
engaged in value based pricing. There is nothing morally wrong with
that, in the context of its actions.


the ftc disagrees with you, as do numerous other companies.
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Old June 6th 17, 12:33 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Floyd L. Davidson
wrote:

so far, you're the only person to claim that business customers get the
same level of service. several other people in this thread alone say
that's wrong, not just me.


Didn't you notice that not a single person who said what
you are claiming is true... had any experience other
than as a customer looking in from the outside!


that's all that matters.

None of
them realize, or could realize, what those of us employed
by their service provider would actually be doing.


nobody but you cares what goes on inside.

at the end of the day, they want their outage fixed as soon as
possible, or whatever the problem was.

business class service will have it fixed within hours. residential
won't.

it's that simple.

some residential customers are willing to pay for business class
service at home because they want that level of service.

I'm not saying that I suspect what happens is this or
that, due to the way somebody else acted or described it
or how they talked to me on the phone. I'm telling you
that this is what we actually did. This is what
Marketing does, this is what Sales does, and if you have
a Customer Serice Rep this is what they do... None of
those departments ever fix and trouble faults, but if
your line stops working this is, instead, the chain of
events that necessarily happens to get a repair person
to first test the line from the Central Office, and then
dispatch someone that works Outside Plant to fix the
problem.


nobody said the customer service rep fixes the problem.

where in the world did you get that idea???

First come first serve, it makes no difference
how big you account is or what class of service,


yes it definitely does make a difference.

unless
you've actually paid specifically for Priority Service
(perhaps $50,000 a month).


not relevant.
 




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