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Old June 4th 17, 03:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
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I believe the PR flacks to that extent.


you believe what you want to believe rather than investigate the real
story.


So tell use the "real story."


i have been.
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Old June 4th 17, 03:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Floyd L. Davidson
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Businesses that need business phones pay a lot
more for that, even though there's usually no
reason for it. When I started my own business I called
the phone company to ask whether I had to have
a business phone. They told me no, as long as I
didn't answer the phone with a business name. There's
no logic at all to that. It's just what the market will
bear combined with lack of regulation.


When systems go down, business phones get priority in repair.(at least
in theory.)

in practice too.

Obviously you've never been up a pole or in a cable vault. The circuits
that can be positively identified get repaired first. If a cable is
damaged by fire and the lineman finds 200 charred wires and 50 wires
with sufficient insulation to determine the color code, he'll repair
those 50 wires first just to get them out of the way. He's not going to
go through a bundle of charred, bare wires looking for business circuits.


obviously, you haven't a clue. this isn't about major outages due to
fire that affects thousands of customers.

if there's a problem with *your* line, business class service will have
someone out to fix it within a couple of hours, while residential will
be whenever they get around to it. tech support will be a higher tier,
staffed by people with a clue, not the "did you reset your modem? did
you reboot your computer?"

businesses generally can't afford downtime, while residential customers
can, thus the higher price.

business class service may also offer services not available to
residential customers, such as static ip, no prohibition on servers
and/or no blocking of ports.

(Disclosu I have never been up a telephone pole. I have been in a few
cable vaults.)


too bad you didn't stay in one of them.

Years ago, United Telco in central PA rationalized the higher business
rate because it included a Yellow Pages listing. This was back in the
day when only the local telco published a phone book.


who cares. it's not years ago anymore.


Nospam is totally clueless. Trouble ticket systems That
don't differentiate between business and residental. The tech
with the windshield wipers may never even know what was
being worked on


the tech doesn't need to know nor does he decide what to fix. he gets
sent out to fix something and he fixes it.

It happens that business phones are important, but not
more so than residential phones. On the grand scheme of
things the industry has always been based on the idea
that no one phone is more important, because it is that
other phone that calls it. Put a phone on every tree
and under every rock, and that is what generates the
traffic, not a phone that has a CEO at the end.


https://www.atlantech.net/blog/whats...n-residential-
and-business-fiber-internet
Another significant difference between business and residential fiber
is service level agreements (SLAs). For most residential Internet
users, a loss of Internet connectivity is unacceptable, but still
just represents a mild inconvenience. The results of a loss of
Internet connectivity can be devastating to business productivity.
While fiber Internet eliminates many of the reliability concerns
associated with high-speed cable Internet, business continuity is
still critical.

https://arstechnica.com/information-...y-i-pay-extra-
for-business-class-broadband-at-home/

Tech support. Calling an ISP's technical support line can be a
horrible, frustrating experience. Understanding that businesses are
on the hook for more money than consumers and that they need reliable
support, ISPs treat business-class accounts far better. All ISPs have
separate support lines for business-class customers; some, including
Comcast, actually assign dedicated account representatives,
eliminating the need to wait in the phone queue for most questions.
In addition, business-class customers usually get priority over
residential customers when scheduling technician visits.

other differences include:
No caps.
Unblocked ports.*
Static IP addresses.*

I never climbed a pole either. But as an IXC trouble
shooter I've given more technical advice to LEC's than
you can shake a stick at.


that has nothing to do with class of service.
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Old June 4th 17, 03:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Mayayana
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| That sounds familiar. IIRC some folks were collecting Internet names,
| and selling them for a large profit. That practice was stopped, but I am
| not certain how.

It was? I'd be interested if anyone has any links
about that. I read at one point that various entities
were actually somehow tracking Google searches
and then buying domain names before someone
searching could buy them -- then offering to sell
that domain. I wonder how such a practice can be
stopped. (A similar thing now happens on Wall St.
By setting up computers in close physical proximity,
companies can get news of trades milliseconds before
others do and make automated trades. It's basically
cheating the casino, but so far it's legal.)


although this article is from 2008, the practice still exists today.

https://techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/ne...-questionable-
tactic-to-sell-more-domain-names/
As of Tuesday, if a user does a search on the site for a domain name,
Network Solution immediately registers the domain in their own name.
If the user then goes to a discount registrar to register the domain,
it shows as unavailable. The user must then either not buy the
domain, or go back to Network Solutions and pay their $35/year fee.
....
This isnąt costing the company anything, either. Registrars are
permitted to register domains for five days without paying any fees
to the domain name registry (in this case, Verisign). If they delete
the domains after 5 days, which they will almost certainly do, they
do not pay for the registration.
  #264  
Old June 4th 17, 03:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
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... Bloomberg fundamentally misunderstood what was going on. Qualcomm
wants to collect a certain sum by way of license and whether you
express this as X% of the cost of the phone or 8X% of the cost of a
chip is immaterial.


nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price
of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero.

I guess you never heard of value based pricing.


i guess you haven't a clue. value based pricing isn't the issue.
  #265  
Old June 4th 17, 03:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
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... Bloomberg fundamentally misunderstood what was going on. Qualcomm
wants to collect a certain sum by way of license and whether you
express this as X% of the cost of the phone or 8X% of the cost of a
chip is immaterial.

nonsense. there is absolute no justification whatsoever for the price
of a component to be based on the device in which it's used. zero.

I've already quoted specialists in the field explaining why it can be
a good idea and is common practice.


no you didn't. not only is it not common, but you failed to name
another company that engages in such predatory tactics. not a single
one.

what a company does with the parts they buy does not change the price
they pay for it, something you even agreed with.

you are defending the indefensible.


Wrong. Again simply Google "value based pricing."


value based pricing isn't the issue.

You may actually learn
something.


more than you have.

now try explaining it to mayayana who thinks it's gouging.
  #266  
Old June 4th 17, 04:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Sun, 04 Jun 2017 01:00:08 -0800, (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:

nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Hart
wrote:

Businesses that need business phones pay a lot
more for that, even though there's usually no
reason for it. When I started my own business I called
the phone company to ask whether I had to have
a business phone. They told me no, as long as I
didn't answer the phone with a business name. There's
no logic at all to that. It's just what the market will
bear combined with lack of regulation.


When systems go down, business phones get priority in repair.(at least
in theory.)

in practice too.

Obviously you've never been up a pole or in a cable vault. The circuits
that can be positively identified get repaired first. If a cable is
damaged by fire and the lineman finds 200 charred wires and 50 wires
with sufficient insulation to determine the color code, he'll repair
those 50 wires first just to get them out of the way. He's not going to
go through a bundle of charred, bare wires looking for business circuits.


obviously, you haven't a clue. this isn't about major outages due to
fire that affects thousands of customers.

if there's a problem with *your* line, business class service will have
someone out to fix it within a couple of hours, while residential will
be whenever they get around to it. tech support will be a higher tier,
staffed by people with a clue, not the "did you reset your modem? did
you reboot your computer?"

businesses generally can't afford downtime, while residential customers
can, thus the higher price.

business class service may also offer services not available to
residential customers, such as static ip, no prohibition on servers
and/or no blocking of ports.

(Disclosu I have never been up a telephone pole. I have been in a few
cable vaults.)


too bad you didn't stay in one of them.

Years ago, United Telco in central PA rationalized the higher business
rate because it included a Yellow Pages listing. This was back in the
day when only the local telco published a phone book.


who cares. it's not years ago anymore.


Nospam is totally clueless. Trouble ticket systems That
don't differentiate between business and residental. The tech
with the windshield wipers may never even know what was
being worked on


It's always been my experience that there are not only different phone
numbers for residential and business service, but there are also
different tech departments. It's also been my experience that response
times are *much* faster for business lines.

It happens that business phones are important, but not
more so than residential phones. On the grand scheme of
things the industry has always been based on the idea
that no one phone is more important, because it is that
other phone that calls it. Put a phone on every tree
and under every rock, and that is what generates the
traffic, not a phone that has a CEO at the end.

I never climbed a pole either. But as an IXC trouble
shooter I've given more technical advice to LEC's than
you can shake a stick at.

  #267  
Old June 4th 17, 05:14 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Bill W
wrote:

Businesses that need business phones pay a lot
more for that, even though there's usually no
reason for it. When I started my own business I called
the phone company to ask whether I had to have
a business phone. They told me no, as long as I
didn't answer the phone with a business name. There's
no logic at all to that. It's just what the market will
bear combined with lack of regulation.


When systems go down, business phones get priority in repair.(at least
in theory.)

in practice too.

Obviously you've never been up a pole or in a cable vault. The circuits
that can be positively identified get repaired first. If a cable is
damaged by fire and the lineman finds 200 charred wires and 50 wires
with sufficient insulation to determine the color code, he'll repair
those 50 wires first just to get them out of the way. He's not going to
go through a bundle of charred, bare wires looking for business circuits.

obviously, you haven't a clue. this isn't about major outages due to
fire that affects thousands of customers.

if there's a problem with *your* line, business class service will have
someone out to fix it within a couple of hours, while residential will
be whenever they get around to it. tech support will be a higher tier,
staffed by people with a clue, not the "did you reset your modem? did
you reboot your computer?"

businesses generally can't afford downtime, while residential customers
can, thus the higher price.

business class service may also offer services not available to
residential customers, such as static ip, no prohibition on servers
and/or no blocking of ports.

(Disclosu I have never been up a telephone pole. I have been in a few
cable vaults.)

too bad you didn't stay in one of them.

Years ago, United Telco in central PA rationalized the higher business
rate because it included a Yellow Pages listing. This was back in the
day when only the local telco published a phone book.

who cares. it's not years ago anymore.


Nospam is totally clueless. Trouble ticket systems That
don't differentiate between business and residental. The tech
with the windshield wipers may never even know what was
being worked on


It's always been my experience that there are not only different phone
numbers for residential and business service, but there are also
different tech departments. It's also been my experience that response
times are *much* faster for business lines.


exactly correct.
  #268  
Old June 4th 17, 07:29 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Sun, 04 Jun 2017 12:14:42 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:

Businesses that need business phones pay a lot
more for that, even though there's usually no
reason for it. When I started my own business I called
the phone company to ask whether I had to have
a business phone. They told me no, as long as I
didn't answer the phone with a business name. There's
no logic at all to that. It's just what the market will
bear combined with lack of regulation.


When systems go down, business phones get priority in repair.(at least
in theory.)

in practice too.

Obviously you've never been up a pole or in a cable vault. The circuits
that can be positively identified get repaired first. If a cable is
damaged by fire and the lineman finds 200 charred wires and 50 wires
with sufficient insulation to determine the color code, he'll repair
those 50 wires first just to get them out of the way. He's not going to
go through a bundle of charred, bare wires looking for business circuits.

obviously, you haven't a clue. this isn't about major outages due to
fire that affects thousands of customers.

if there's a problem with *your* line, business class service will have
someone out to fix it within a couple of hours, while residential will
be whenever they get around to it. tech support will be a higher tier,
staffed by people with a clue, not the "did you reset your modem? did
you reboot your computer?"

businesses generally can't afford downtime, while residential customers
can, thus the higher price.

business class service may also offer services not available to
residential customers, such as static ip, no prohibition on servers
and/or no blocking of ports.

(Disclosu I have never been up a telephone pole. I have been in a few
cable vaults.)

too bad you didn't stay in one of them.

Years ago, United Telco in central PA rationalized the higher business
rate because it included a Yellow Pages listing. This was back in the
day when only the local telco published a phone book.

who cares. it's not years ago anymore.

Nospam is totally clueless. Trouble ticket systems That
don't differentiate between business and residental. The tech
with the windshield wipers may never even know what was
being worked on


It's always been my experience that there are not only different phone
numbers for residential and business service, but there are also
different tech departments. It's also been my experience that response
times are *much* faster for business lines.


exactly correct.


One concession I would make is that it's not necessarily true in
small, relatively isolated towns with small, independent providers. I
would think it's consistently true in bigger cities anywhere in the
country.
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Old June 4th 17, 07:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Bill W wrote:

It's always been my experience that there are not only different phone
numbers for residential and business service, but there are also
different tech departments. It's also been my experience that response
times are *much* faster for business lines.


What perspective is your "experience"? Ever work in the
telecom industry, or did you observe this as a customer?

I have never even seen a telcom company with different
departments for residential and business services. Some
numbers may be in blocks, but that isn't based on type
of service, it's base on how many lines any given
customer orders.

Routine trouble tickets are handled on a first come
first serve basis, and obviously if there is a problem
that puts it on hold it goes back into the que.

What does make a difference is not business service as
such, but bought and paid for Priority Service. The
FAA, as an example, commonly orders circuts with various
different priority levels. One of those is one hour
response time! You can imagine the money that costs
them, but it means that an hour after they report a
problem they fully expect to be able to ask for a status
report and it had better not be that nothing at all has
happened! In a common case that I experienced many
times the only response possible was to schedule a
chartered aircraft, and that had better be what the
status report says. If there are weather delays, that
has to be on the ticket. (For several years I
co-ordinated the Fairbanks Testboard trouble ticket
system with the FAA folks in Anchorage. It happened
that they had hired a retired tech that I'd worked with
for years, so we knew exactly how to communicate with
each other.)

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
  #270  
Old June 4th 17, 07:46 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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nospam wrote:
Nospam is totally clueless. Trouble ticket systems That
don't differentiate between business and residental. The tech
with the windshield wipers may never even know what was
being worked on


the tech doesn't need to know nor does he decide what to fix. he gets
sent out to fix something and he fixes it.


Usually the tech is exactly the person who chooses which
trouble ticket gets attention. Any other way results in
*stupid* mistakes being made.

The next biggest mistake with trouble ticket systems is
choosing one that is really good at generating reports
for management and as a result very poor for dispatching
troubles! That is common. ATT on the other hand was
always famous for using a bureaucratic boondoggle that
was designed to make upper level administration of
management methods easier, without much concern about mid
or lower level management efficiency, and with no
concern about how it functioned at the technician level.

The Bell System was an astounding bureaucracy, that even
after divestiture could not be corrected even by a
Board of Directors that tried hard in the 90's to change
it. They eventually through up their hands and sold it
to Bell South and walked away.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
 




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