Source for Perutz film?

Does anyone know of a source for Perutz Primera(?) 100 film in 35mm? I
have some old negs with "Perutz PR 100" on them and they have the most
natural colors I've ever seen.

Jim wrote:
Does anyone know of a source for Perutz Primera(?) 100 film in 35mm? I
have some old negs with "Perutz PR 100" on them and they have the most
natural colors I've ever seen.

Most likely an Agfa HDC, XRG or Vista, which would depend on the
negatives' age. I have taken color slides on Perutz 100 slide film some
15 years ago, which was the same film as Agfachrome CT 100 then. Perutz
had been merged in 1964 into the Agfa-Gevaert corporation and was used
as a sort of generic-brand label for Agfa films.

Dr. Heinz Anderle, Austria

Jim wrote:
Does anyone know of a source for Perutz Primera(?) 100 film in 35mm? I
have some old negs with "Perutz PR 100" on them and they have the most
natural colors I've ever seen.

PS: see

http://cgi.ebay.de/Perutz-Color-100-...QQcmdZViewItem

This might well be an Agfa Vista of the last generation: films easy to
scan with excellent daylight color rendition.

"Dr. Heinz Anderle" writes:

This might well be an Agfa Vista of the last generation: films easy to
scan with excellent daylight color rendition.

Actually now that Agfa color negative film is mentioned...

I really enjoyed the daylight color rendition of Agfa Vista 200. And
especially the color rendition during sunset.

However, scanning proved somewhat problematic: There were huge
roundish pale areas at the bottom and top of the frame, apparently at
the same spot as the perforations but in the image area (hard to
explain without an example; the only vista 200 scanned images I have
on the web were tediously photoshopped to correct for this error..)
This problem appeared with both Canoscan 8400F and K-M 5400 II - and,
digital prints made at the developing lab did not exhibit this
problem. Whatever the problem was, I gave the last 3 rolls away to a
friend because I couldn't figure out how to scan them without these
problems.


Another strange Agfa thing is that I had a roll of "XRG 200", which
was color negative film. The colors are a bit strange and the film
doesn't look too sharp. However the really strange thing is that
everywhere else XRG 200 is listed as a color slide film! I swear mine
is color negative, complete with the orange mask and all.

Toni Nikkanen wrote:

However, scanning proved somewhat problematic: There were huge
roundish pale areas at the bottom and top of the frame, apparently at
the same spot as the perforations ...

Could be stress from your camera's winding motor, combined with
the relatively thin plastic base. I've seen that phenomenon before.

The really strange thing is that everywhere XRG 200 is listed
as a color slide film! I swear mine is color negative, complete
with the orange mask and all.

XRG (and what looks like its successor XRS) is clearly listed
as a negative film in the Vuescan film types table:

http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/html/vuesc15.htm

Was XRG the predecessor of HDC? It always seemed to me that
HDC was just Optima repackaged for consumer use, perhaps with
less quality control, although Optima was not refrigerated
in the US distribution channel so it was hard to classify it
as a true professional film.

Toni Nikkanen wrote:

....
I really enjoyed the daylight color rendition of Agfa Vista 200. And
especially the color rendition during sunset.

However, scanning proved somewhat problematic: There were huge
roundish pale areas at the bottom and top of the frame, apparently at
the same spot as the perforations but in the image area (hard to
explain without an example; the only vista 200 scanned images I have
on the web were tediously photoshopped to correct for this error..)
This problem appeared with both Canoscan 8400F and K-M 5400 II - and,
digital prints made at the developing lab did not exhibit this
problem. Whatever the problem was, I gave the last 3 rolls away to a
friend because I couldn't figure out how to scan them without these
problems.

I know this effect which I assume to originate from light leakage, but
it is not specific to Agfa films.

I have used Agfa Vista (also sold under a generic brand name by a
drugstore chain, similar to e. g. Walgreen's) for many years and have
recently re-scanned many negatives with my Acer/Benq 2740s and VueScan,
without any problems.

In article ,
Toni Nikkanen writes:

I really enjoyed the daylight color rendition of Agfa Vista 200. And
especially the color rendition during sunset.

However, scanning proved somewhat problematic: There were huge
roundish pale areas at the bottom and top of the frame, apparently at
the same spot as the perforations but in the image area

These sound like surge marks, which are caused by uneven flow of developer
solution around sprocket holes. If so, this is an issue with development
technique or equipment, not the film or scanner. How was the film
developed? Surge marks can occur because of excessive agitation when film
is developed in small tanks. I've seen them on some commercially-developed
rolls in the 1980s (presumably done with "dip & dunk" machinery). I don't
know if minilab machinery could produce anything like surge marks. I've
never heard of different C-41 films exhibiting different sensitivity to
surge marks, but I can't rule out the possibility.

FWIW, I bought a bunch of Agfa Vista 200 on eBay a while ago. I've had no
problems like those you describe, either printing in a conventional
darkroom or scanning with a Minolta DiMAGE Scan Elite 5400 scanner.

--
Rod Smith,
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux, FreeBSD, and networking

(Rod Smith) writes:

These sound like surge marks, which are caused by uneven flow of developer
solution around sprocket holes. If so, this is an issue with development
technique or equipment, not the film or scanner. How was the film
developed?

They were developed in a minilab that went bankrupt a few weeks ago (I
was in the auction, trying to buy a Mamiya 6 but was seriously outbid
by some old greybearded fellow.)

Nowadays I use a different lab, one for whose technical
excellence I have more faith in anyway, so I just might try
the film again if I find it for sale anymore.. it was very
affordable last year. OTOH, I have a great deal of Reala 100
in my fridge so I am in no hurry...

To the other guy who answered.. I shot the film with a Canon A-1
with no film motor.

Rod Smith wrote:
In article ,
Toni Nikkanen writes:

I really enjoyed the daylight color rendition of Agfa Vista 200. And
especially the color rendition during sunset.

However, scanning proved somewhat problematic: There were huge
roundish pale areas at the bottom and top of the frame, apparently at
the same spot as the perforations but in the image area

These sound like surge marks, which are caused by uneven flow of developer
solution around sprocket holes. If so, this is an issue with development
technique or equipment, not the film or scanner. How was the film
developed? Surge marks can occur because of excessive agitation when film
is developed in small tanks. I've seen them on some commercially-developed
rolls in the 1980s (presumably done with "dip & dunk" machinery). I don't
know if minilab machinery could produce anything like surge marks. I've
never heard of different C-41 films exhibiting different sensitivity to
surge marks, but I can't rule out the possibility.


Thank you. This explanation sounds most logical.