Snapshots of Afghanistan - August 2009

On 2009-08-29 11:35:01 -0700, (Ray Fischer) said:

C J Campbell wrote:
On 2009-08-28 01:20:38 -0700, Chris H said:

In message 2009082710430816807-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom
, C J Campbell writes
On 2009-08-26 11:48:43 -0700, Elliott Roper said:

In article , Kulvinder
Singh Matharu wrote:

I've just returned from a trip around Afghanistan and have put some
of the more decent photos online here using a Flash-based engine:
http://www.ninjatrek.com/
Thanks. Wonderful. Beautiful.
Why are us Western idiots bombing the B'Jasus out of those beautiful
people? I don't care if they look static and posed. I'd like to be able
to sit down and hear their story, just after looking at their faces.
Why can't we just get along?

Something about freeing them from an oppressive regime called the
Taliban which made Hitler's Germany look like a children's choir.

I have seen interviews recently in both Pakistan and Afghanistan that
say the Taliban and the USA are as bad as each other. Though the USA
forces have killed more civilians of late.

One would expect terrorists to claim that. Another claim that they
always make is that anyone you kill is a civilian, even if the civilian
is firing an RPG at you.

One would expect a fascist to say that. Another claim is that
everyone who has been killed must have been a terrorist. Even if they
were a mother an infant child.

Ah, Godwin's law already...
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"J. Clarke" wrote in message

DRS wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote in message


[...]

would be shouting "Sig Heil" about now........G. Patton was right.
We should have taken over the whole world in 1945. Millions of
people would be alive today that have either starved to death, or
been killed by tyrants since then.

Patton was a self-aggrandising idiot. The Soviets would have creamed
the Allies in 1945. The only areas in which the Allies were superior
to the Soviets were logistics, artillery and communications.

I think you missed an important one.

Not in April, 1945, when the Allies and Soviets met face to face.

Bill Graham wrote:
"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message

You are a ****ing idiot.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

When the next terrorist attack comes, perhaps you might reconsider your
evaluation of my position.

When you're hauled off to prison and tortured for information just
because your ****ed-off neighbor decided to report you then maybe
you'll realize that your flavor of fascism is dangerous.

Not only are you an idiot, you are a COWARD.

--
Ray Fischer

C J Campbell wrote:
On 2009-08-29 11:35:01 -0700, (Ray Fischer) said:

C J Campbell wrote:
On 2009-08-28 01:20:38 -0700, Chris H said:

In message 2009082710430816807-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom
, C J Campbell writes
On 2009-08-26 11:48:43 -0700, Elliott Roper said:

In article , Kulvinder
Singh Matharu wrote:

I've just returned from a trip around Afghanistan and have put some
of the more decent photos online here using a Flash-based engine:
http://www.ninjatrek.com/
Thanks. Wonderful. Beautiful.
Why are us Western idiots bombing the B'Jasus out of those beautiful
people? I don't care if they look static and posed. I'd like to be able
to sit down and hear their story, just after looking at their faces.
Why can't we just get along?

Something about freeing them from an oppressive regime called the
Taliban which made Hitler's Germany look like a children's choir.

I have seen interviews recently in both Pakistan and Afghanistan that
say the Taliban and the USA are as bad as each other. Though the USA
forces have killed more civilians of late.

One would expect terrorists to claim that. Another claim that they
always make is that anyone you kill is a civilian, even if the civilian
is firing an RPG at you.

One would expect a fascist to say that. Another claim is that
everyone who has been killed must have been a terrorist. Even if they
were a mother an infant child.

Ah, Godwin's law already...

You are an idiot.

--
Ray Fischer

mikey4 wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
Savageduck wrote:
(Ray Fischer) said:
Savageduck wrote:

Initially due to the Taliban support for AQ & OBL after WTC, and with
the full support of NATO.

There was no "support". The Afgan gvernment was demanding evidence
that OBL was involved. The US refused to provide the evidence.

They didn't have to, OBL took credit for WTC from day one.

And all the US had to do was provide evidence that he was the same OBL
that was supposedly in Afghanistan.

WOW !!! you mean there is more than one??? How many Ray 2 or 3 or more???

How many people are named "mike" in the world, moron?

--
Ray Fischer

Walter Banks wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:

I could personally care less about them or that part of
the world. I never sent anyone over there to kill 3000 innocent people,
There is no one on my block here in Oregon that is training to go anywhere
to kill civilians, and never has been.

Many more than 3000 innocent people have been killed
since 911 in the name of WTC revenge.

Probably accidentally, but you left off two zeros.

Which killer should I
be most concerned about the one who killed first or the one who
killed the most.

In the case of Bush, it's both.

--
Ray Fischer

"DRS" wrote in message
...
"Bill Graham" wrote in message


[...]

the guy above who said there is nothing there but a pile of rocks. I
think we are fast approaching the point where our technology is good
enough to police the whole world with electronic surveillance without
actually being there.

That attitude is a major cause of US military failure. To wit, remote
surveillance of a mountain in Afghanistan persuaded US intelligence the
insurgents there had been destroyed. When an Australian SAS patrol went
there on foot they promptly got into a firefight with the non-existent
insurgents. And the US wonders why it can't win asymetrical wars despite
being the world's most powerful country.

I leave the problematic nature of the assumption that the US should
"police the world" to the reader.


I never said we would be good at it. Nor did I say we would be the best ones
to do it. I only contend that we would be better at it than nobody at all.
(which is the present situation) And, we had a chance to do it in 1945,
which no one else has had from that day to this. Unfortunately, we blew our
chance, and I doubt if it will ever show up again, so, "Nobody at all" will
be the permanent situation from now on, and millions of lives will be lost
to tyrants like Kim Jung Ill and Ahmadinijad for the rest of
time......Welcome to reality.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/29/2009 9:57 PM Bill Graham spake thus:

"Chris H" wrote in message
...

I have no communist friends.. BTW the communists don't figure in
this at all.

Russian interaction with Afghanistan began with the Czars in the 19th
century and ended around 1980, and you say, "The Communists don't
figure in this at all"? - give me a break!

Of course the then-Communists (USSR, now Russia) had a lot to do with
Afghanistan. They invaded the country, thinking to subdue it, fought
to a standstill and eventually left, basically in defeat.

Just like the British before them.

Just like us, eventually.

Well, if we have to lose as many as the Russians before we leave then
we're
going to be there for the next couple of centuries.

Yes. And to even compare our effect on Afghanistan to that of the Russians
is ridiculous on the face of it. They should be so lucky to have us there at
all. Which is why our friend didn't have any trouble getting his beautiful
photos of the people.

"mikey4" wrote in message
...

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
...
Savageduck wrote:
(Ray Fischer) said:
There was no "support". The Afgan gvernment was demanding evidence
that OBL was involved. The US refused to provide the evidence.

They didn't have to, OBL took credit for WTC from day one.

And all the US had to do was provide evidence that he was the same OBL
that was supposedly in Afghanistan.


WOW !!! you mean there is more than one??? How many Ray 2 or 3 or more???


He must be like Saddam.....Keeps a bunch of, "doubles" around to keep from
being assassinated by unbelievers....

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
...
mikey4 wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
Savageduck wrote:
(Ray Fischer) said:
Savageduck wrote:

Initially due to the Taliban support for AQ & OBL after WTC, and with
the full support of NATO.

There was no "support". The Afgan gvernment was demanding evidence
that OBL was involved. The US refused to provide the evidence.

They didn't have to, OBL took credit for WTC from day one.

And all the US had to do was provide evidence that he was the same OBL
that was supposedly in Afghanistan.

WOW !!! you mean there is more than one??? How many Ray 2 or 3 or more???

How many people are named "mike" in the world, moron?

--
Are you reading impaired too?
How many took credit?, schmuck.