Snapshots of Afghanistan - August 2009

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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"Frank Carsted" wrote in message
news On 29 Aug 2009 18:35:52 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

Savageduck wrote:
On 2009-08-29 07:00:41 -0700, Chris H said:

In message , Bill
Graham
writes

"Chris H" wrote in message
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In message , Bill
Graham
writes

"Elliott Roper" wrote in message
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Why are us Western idiots bombing the B'Jasus out of those
beautiful
people? I don't care if they look static and posed. I'd like to
be
able
to sit down and hear their story, just after looking at their
faces.
Why can't we just get along?

I believe we are attempting to bomb the B'Jesus out of the
terrorists
who took out our twin towers and their supporters.

Then you are WRONG... the terrorists who took out the twin tower
were
Saudis. (Saudi has a far more oppressive regime than Afghanistan

They may have been Saudi's, but they were being trained and
prepped
by
OBL in an Afghani camp......Why do you think we are there?

No idea really. Wasn't oil this time.

Initially due to the Taliban support for AQ & OBL after WTC, and with
the full support of NATO.

There was no "support". The Afgan gvernment was demanding evidence
that OBL was involved. The US refused to provide the evidence.

When Bush refused to hold it in a court of law he spat on the flag,
the
constitution, both houses, the judicial system, and the financial
institutions that depend on all of the above. I don't think he missed
spitting on anything that the USA used to stand for. He and his whole
cabinet should have been impeached and hung until dead, right then and
there. Instead, blinded by their puerile patriotism, they all
applauded.

As should have been Johnson, Nixon, Kennedy, Carter, you name them; as
well
as most of both houses.
Our two party system has been a joke for a very long time. There is only
"them" and "us" and it is up to "us" to vote "them" out.

Corporate propaganda.

Liar

You America-hating morons are quick to spout that crap about the US
gvernment, but you never seem to notice that your only alternative is
to do what brutal corporations want.

You want to whine about somebody? Look in the mirror.

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Ray Fischer


Liar

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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Savageduck wrote:
(Ray Fischer) said:
Savageduck wrote:

Initially due to the Taliban support for AQ & OBL after WTC, and with
the full support of NATO.

There was no "support". The Afgan gvernment was demanding evidence
that OBL was involved. The US refused to provide the evidence.

They didn't have to, OBL took credit for WTC from day one.

And all the US had to do was provide evidence that he was the same OBL
that was supposedly in Afghanistan.


WOW !!! you mean there is more than one??? How many Ray 2 or 3 or more???

Bill Graham wrote:

I could personally care less about them or that part of
the world. I never sent anyone over there to kill 3000 innocent people,
There is no one on my block here in Oregon that is training to go anywhere
to kill civilians, and never has been.

Many more than 3000 innocent people have been killed
since 911 in the name of WTC revenge. Which killer should I
be most concerned about the one who killed first or the one who
killed the most.

On 2009-08-29 23:19:25 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Bob Larter" wrote in message
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I'd come off as less of an idiot to you were I to read and accept your
propaganda, that's for sure........I am sorry to inform you that I get
my information from other sources.

Yeah, like Faux News.

It beats the fawning idolatry of Brian Williams. Check out Glen Beck,
If you're interested in our progress toward socialism.

Glen Beck!!??
....and your alternative is Brian Williams?
Oh Bill! It is so sad to finally understand the reason for the
astonishing level of bitterness you hold for the World and your fellow
US citizens. Glen Beck has told you who to blame, and it is everybody
but GWB and Murdock.
I guess it is far too late to let you know there are other far more
reliable, and less biased sources of information than Fnews and most of
what the networks sell (though occasionally they are able to come close
to getting to the truth.)

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Regards,

Savageduck

On 2009-08-29 22:02:27 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Chris H" wrote in message
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So it has taken over 8 years so far and the current word from the US
commanders is "at best we can draw but not win"


That's OK with me.....Better over there than over here.....And now, we
are using robot airplanes, which we can control from here in the US, so
there is no risk to our guys at all!

....and yet more die. Check our combat deaths for July & August.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

"Annika1980" wrote in message
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On Aug 30, 1:02 am, "Bill Graham" wrote:

That's OK with me.....Better over there than over here.....And now, we are
using robot airplanes, which we can control from here in the US, so there
is
no risk to our guys at all!

Yeah, that sounds great. Now what happens in a few years if China or
Iraq or Iran gets these drone aircraft and decides to fly them over
our country? Heck, it doesn't even have to be a foreign country ...
it could be some well-funded paramilitary group.

You hope our air defences are good enough to see them coming.

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/29/2009 9:57 PM Bill Graham spake thus:

"Chris H" wrote in message
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I have no communist friends.. BTW the communists don't figure in
this at all.

Russian interaction with Afghanistan began with the Czars in the 19th
century and ended around 1980, and you say, "The Communists don't
figure in this at all"? - give me a break!

Of course the then-Communists (USSR, now Russia) had a lot to do with
Afghanistan. They invaded the country, thinking to subdue it, fought
to a standstill and eventually left, basically in defeat.

Just like the British before them.

Just like us, eventually.

Well, if we have to lose as many as the Russians before we leave then we're
going to be there for the next couple of centuries.

DRS wrote:
"Bill Graham" wrote in message


[...]

would be shouting "Sig Heil" about now........G. Patton was right. We
should have taken over the whole world in 1945. Millions of people
would be alive today that have either starved to death, or been
killed by tyrants since then.

Patton was a self-aggrandising idiot. The Soviets would have creamed
the Allies in 1945. The only areas in which the Allies were superior
to the Soviets were logistics, artillery and communications.

I think you missed an important one.

The
Soviet airforce was qualitatively and quantitatively as good as ours
and their heavy armour was to ours as a Hummer is to a Mini. They
had more seasoned combat troops too.

Of course, that begs the question of just why a liberal democracy
would want to "take over the world" anyway.

Savageduck wrote:
On 2009-08-29 22:02:27 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Chris H" wrote in message
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So it has taken over 8 years so far and the current word from the US
commanders is "at best we can draw but not win"


That's OK with me.....Better over there than over here.....And now,
we are using robot airplanes, which we can control from here in the
US, so there is no risk to our guys at all!

...and yet more die. Check our combat deaths for July & August.

You'd be happier if they got hit by a drunk driver on the way home from
work?

On 2009-08-30 07:24:40 -0700, "J. Clarke" said:

Savageduck wrote:
On 2009-08-29 22:02:27 -0700, "Bill Graham" said:


"Chris H" wrote in message
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So it has taken over 8 years so far and the current word from the US
commanders is "at best we can draw but not win"


That's OK with me.....Better over there than over here.....And now,
we are using robot airplanes, which we can control from here in the
US, so there is no risk to our guys at all!

...and yet more die. Check our combat deaths for July & August.

You'd be happier if they got hit by a drunk driver on the way home from
work?

Just as bad, if not worse.

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Regards,

Savageduck