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  #11  
Old November 8th 18, 06:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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On Nov 8, 2018, nospam wrote
(in ) :

In iganews.com,
Savageduck wrote:

I found it interesting. It's not actually about color but peoples
perception of color and color preferences. It's more psychology than
photography. There is quite a lot to be learned from it.

there's nothing at all to be learned from it, especially since he has
no understanding himself.

the entire video could be summarized as different cameras when set to
their default settings produce jpegs that look different.


...but, the result, regardless of the actual IQ/color fidelity of the
various prints was an indication of individual manufacturer bias among those who
responded to his test. It didn¹t actually matter which cameras were used,
or even if different cameras were used. What mattered was that those polled
believed that different cameras were used, and that they believed that the
prints were the product of the cameras on the labeled prints.


people believe all sorts of things. this is not news.


However, it is interesting to see these beliefs, and biases highlighted.


This was much the same as a blind wine tasting where due to mixed/changed
labels, tasters are confused between a bottle of Trader Joe¹s *Two Buck
Chuck* and a $50 bottle.


one of the better ones was where red food coloring was added to white
wine and fooled wine experts.


Same type of test.

it's also the same nonsense audiophiles spew, such as one speaker cable
sounding better than another, something that is electrically
impossible.

people are very easily influenced.


Yup!

As Eric said, this actually had nothing to do with photography, or actual
*color science*, but the particular brand biases/prejudices of the group of
tested testers. So it had nothing to do with Northrup¹s photographic
knowledge, lack thereof, or how much the Northrups might be shills for any
particular brand.


in other words, nothing useful.

and he was shilling, just not for a particular product. at the end of
the video, he hyped a link via his tracking service, the results of
which he then markets to advertisers. he could have given the direct
link, but then he would not get paid as much.


Opinions, opinions, opinions.

That said, it seems your computer clock has not made the adjustment back from
daylight savings time. Note that your post is time stamped an hour before
mine which you responded to.

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Savageduck

  #12  
Old November 8th 18, 06:44 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article .com,
Savageduck wrote:

That said, it seems your computer clock has not made the adjustment back from
daylight savings time. Note that your post is time stamped an hour before
mine which you responded to.


that's cuz i knew what you were gonna say

i don't pay much attention to time stamps. that's a bug that will never
be fixed. quit/relaunch is the only solution.
  #13  
Old November 9th 18, 12:23 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 10:03:04 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


I found it interesting. It's not actually about color but peoples
perception of color and color preferences. It's more psychology than
photography. There is quite a lot to be learned from it.


there's nothing at all to be learned from it, especially since he has
no understanding himself.

the entire video could be summarized as different cameras when set to
their default settings produce jpegs that look different.


I suppose its not really surprising that that is all you took from it.
:-(
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #14  
Old November 9th 18, 12:26 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 08:47:20 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On Nov 8, 2018, nospam wrote
(in ) :

In , Eric Stevens
wrote:


I found it interesting. It's not actually about color but peoples
perception of color and color preferences. It's more psychology than
photography. There is quite a lot to be learned from it.


there's nothing at all to be learned from it, especially since he has
no understanding himself.

the entire video could be summarized as different cameras when set to
their default settings produce jpegs that look different.


...but, the result, regardless of the actual IQ/color fidelity of the various
prints was an indication of individual manufacturer bias among those who
responded to his test. It didn’t actually matter which cameras were used,
or even if different cameras were used. What mattered was that those polled
believed that different cameras were used, and that they believed that the
prints were the product of the cameras on the labeled prints.

This was much the same as a blind wine tasting where due to mixed/changed
labels, tasters are confused between a bottle of Trader Joe’s *Two Buck
Chuck* and a $50 bottle.

As Eric said, this actually had nothing to do with photography, or actual
*color science*, but the particular brand biases/prejudices of the group of
tested testers. So it had nothing to do with Northrup’s photographic
knowledge, lack thereof, or how much the Northrups might be shills for any
particular brand.


Yes, he cerrtainly tested for brand biases but he also tested for
color preferences and in the end he found that color preferences ran
almost diametrically opposite to brand biases. Much head scratching is
required.
--

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Eric Stevens
  #15  
Old November 9th 18, 12:29 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 11:57:40 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article .com,
Savageduck wrote:

I found it interesting. It's not actually about color but peoples
perception of color and color preferences. It's more psychology than
photography. There is quite a lot to be learned from it.

there's nothing at all to be learned from it, especially since he has
no understanding himself.

the entire video could be summarized as different cameras when set to
their default settings produce jpegs that look different.


...but, the result, regardless of the actual IQ/color fidelity of the various
prints was an indication of individual manufacturer bias among those who
responded to his test. It didn¹t actually matter which cameras were used,
or even if different cameras were used. What mattered was that those polled
believed that different cameras were used, and that they believed that the
prints were the product of the cameras on the labeled prints.


people believe all sorts of things. this is not news.


At this point nospam attempts to conceal his initial lack
**** of understanding of what the test in the video was ****
really about.

This was much the same as a blind wine tasting where due to mixed/changed
labels, tasters are confused between a bottle of Trader Joe¹s *Two Buck
Chuck* and a $50 bottle.


one of the better ones was where red food coloring was added to white
wine and fooled wine experts.

it's also the same nonsense audiophiles spew, such as one speaker cable
sounding better than another, something that is electrically
impossible.

people are very easily influenced.

As Eric said, this actually had nothing to do with photography, or actual
*color science*, but the particular brand biases/prejudices of the group of
tested testers. So it had nothing to do with Northrup¹s photographic
knowledge, lack thereof, or how much the Northrups might be shills for any
particular brand.


in other words, nothing useful.

and he was shilling, just not for a particular product. at the end of
the video, he hyped a link via his tracking service, the results of
which he then markets to advertisers. he could have given the direct
link, but then he would not get paid as much.

--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #16  
Old November 9th 18, 12:31 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 02:42:27 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:37:36 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
On Nov 7, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

Something on-topic for a change: U Tube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMfC...d=IwAR37 9NIe
scWYXY09k0OCP5UuDIZ7sgmAt-socH7vuf-FFuwzOcpWqeg3VvI
or http://tinyurl.com/y9f6zbxw

I know someone who will like this. :-)


It just shows that most (not all) of us are biased in justifying, and
reinforcing the choices we made when making camera purchase decisions.


And it's not just photography it goes for many things in life.
I notice it in politics even though I've tried to aviod the US mid-terms elections I've noticed it, I guess I need to be quicker on the draw.. that is in changing channels.


That said, I have few complaints with my move from Nikon to Fujifilm, and
while two years ago, I was second guessing myself by not going with a D500, I
am more than happy with my X-T3.

...and thanks for posting something on topic. ;-)


I wonder what camera Trump would chose :-D


A Pratchett?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #17  
Old November 9th 18, 12:44 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I found it interesting. It's not actually about color but peoples
perception of color and color preferences. It's more psychology than
photography. There is quite a lot to be learned from it.


there's nothing at all to be learned from it, especially since he has
no understanding himself.

the entire video could be summarized as different cameras when set to
their default settings produce jpegs that look different.


I suppose its not really surprising that that is all you took from it.
:-(


there was nothing to take, same as the rest of his stuff.
  #18  
Old November 9th 18, 01:01 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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On Nov 8, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 02:42:27 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:37:36 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
On Nov 7, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

Something on-topic for a change: U Tube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMfC...&fbclid=IwAR37
9NIe
scWYXY09k0OCP5UuDIZ7sgmAt-socH7vuf-FFuwzOcpWqeg3VvI
or http://tinyurl.com/y9f6zbxw

I know someone who will like this. :-)

It just shows that most (not all) of us are biased in justifying, and
reinforcing the choices we made when making camera purchase decisions.


And it's not just photography it goes for many things in life.
I notice it in politics even though I've tried to aviod the US mid-terms
elections I've noticed it, I guess I need to be quicker on the draw.. that
is in changing channels.


That said, I have few complaints with my move from Nikon to Fujifilm, and
while two years ago, I was second guessing myself by not going with a
D500, I
am more than happy with my X-T3.

...and thanks for posting something on topic. ;-)


I wonder what camera Trump would chose :-D


A Pratchett?


Naah! A Zorki.

http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1136145551

--
Regards,
Savageduck

  #19  
Old November 9th 18, 01:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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On Nov 8, 2018, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Nov 8, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 02:42:27 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
wrote:

On Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:37:36 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
On Nov 7, 2018, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

Something on-topic for a change: U Tube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMfC...e&fbclid=IwAR3
7
9NIe
scWYXY09k0OCP5UuDIZ7sgmAt-socH7vuf-FFuwzOcpWqeg3VvI
or http://tinyurl.com/y9f6zbxw

I know someone who will like this. :-)

It just shows that most (not all) of us are biased in justifying, and
reinforcing the choices we made when making camera purchase decisions.

And it's not just photography it goes for many things in life.
I notice it in politics even though I've tried to aviod the US mid-terms
elections I've noticed it, I guess I need to be quicker on the draw.. that
is in changing channels.


That said, I have few complaints with my move from Nikon to Fujifilm, and
while two years ago, I was second guessing myself by not going with a
D500, I
am more than happy with my X-T3.

...and thanks for posting something on topic. ;-)

I wonder what camera Trump would chose :-D


A Pratchett?


Naah! A Zorki.

http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1136145551


https://pictures.digitalrev.com/imag.../v1455610922/c
71jzzankup1y72bagbk.jpg

--
Regards,
Savageduck

  #20  
Old November 9th 18, 09:59 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2018 18:44:39 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I found it interesting. It's not actually about color but peoples
perception of color and color preferences. It's more psychology than
photography. There is quite a lot to be learned from it.

there's nothing at all to be learned from it, especially since he has
no understanding himself.

the entire video could be summarized as different cameras when set to
their default settings produce jpegs that look different.


I suppose its not really surprising that that is all you took from it.
:-(


there was nothing to take, same as the rest of his stuff.


Duh!
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
 




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