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Digital Photography On Aircraft Not Permitted on Take Off or Landing
I was on an Air New Zealand flight a while ago, and I started to take a few
pics (from my digital still camera) as the aircraft took off. An air hostess politely told me that the use of electronic devices was not permitted during take-offs or landings. I told her that I was using a dedicated still digital camera and not a camcorder, but she still asked me to turn it off. About 10 minutes later, when land was well out of sight, we were able to turn on our "electronic devices". But about 10 minutes before landing, while still over the sea, all electronic devices had to be turned off again. The only worthwhile photography from this flight was during the first and last 5 minutes of the flight, and this would apply to many other flights that I have been on. Now I know that the use of camcorders has been banned during take-offs and landings, but I didn't know that digital still cameras now suffered this fate. My digital camera can't take movies, but I know that a lot of digital still cameras can also take movies. From a practical point of view, does anyone know whether digital cameras really CAN interfere with an aircraft's navigation systems? Are airlines being a little too cautious with regard to the use of digital cameras and camcorders? About 5 years ago, nobody cared when I used my camcorder or digital still camera during take-offs or landings, and there were no reports then of interference with the aircrafts' navigation systems! So what has changed during the last 5 years? Podge |
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Digital Photography On Aircraft Not Permitted on Take Off or Landing
"Podge" wrote in message ... I was on an Air New Zealand flight a while ago, and I started to take a few pics (from my digital still camera) as the aircraft took off. An air hostess politely told me that the use of electronic devices was not permitted during take-offs or landings. I told her that I was using a dedicated still digital camera and not a camcorder, but she still asked me to turn it off. About 10 minutes later, when land was well out of sight, we were able to turn on our "electronic devices". But about 10 minutes before landing, while still over the sea, all electronic devices had to be turned off again. The only worthwhile photography from this flight was during the first and last 5 minutes of the flight, and this would apply to many other flights that I have been on. Now I know that the use of camcorders has been banned during take-offs and landings, but I didn't know that digital still cameras now suffered this fate. My digital camera can't take movies, but I know that a lot of digital still cameras can also take movies. From a practical point of view, does anyone know whether digital cameras really CAN interfere with an aircraft's navigation systems? Are airlines being a little too cautious with regard to the use of digital cameras and camcorders? About 5 years ago, nobody cared when I used my camcorder or digital still camera during take-offs or landings, and there were no reports then of interference with the aircrafts' navigation systems! So what has changed during the last 5 years? Podge I am really doubtful there would ever actually be a problem but just in case there might be I personally am prepared to comply with the wishes of the crew "just in case". |
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Digital Photography On Aircraft Not Permitted on Take Off orLanding
Podge wrote:
I was on an Air New Zealand flight a while ago, and I started to take a few pics (from my digital still camera) as the aircraft took off. An air hostess politely told me that the use of electronic devices was not permitted during take-offs or landings. I told her that I was using a dedicated still digital camera and not a camcorder, but she still asked me to turn it off. About 10 minutes later, when land was well out of sight, we were able to turn on our "electronic devices". But about 10 minutes before landing, while still over the sea, all electronic devices had to be turned off again. The only worthwhile photography from this flight was during the first and last 5 minutes of the flight, and this would apply to many other flights that I have been on. Now I know that the use of camcorders has been banned during take-offs and landings, but I didn't know that digital still cameras now suffered this fate. My digital camera can't take movies, but I know that a lot of digital still cameras can also take movies. From a practical point of view, does anyone know whether digital cameras really CAN interfere with an aircraft's navigation systems? Are airlines being a little too cautious with regard to the use of digital cameras and camcorders? About 5 years ago, nobody cared when I used my camcorder or digital still camera during take-offs or landings, and there were no reports then of interference with the aircrafts' navigation systems! So what has changed during the last 5 years? Any digital device can easily interfere with avionic systems. They all contain square wave clock oscillators and logic circuits which produce broadband radio noise which can easily land on critical frequencies for things like precision approach, radar or communications systems. Analogue radio equipment can also interfere unintentionally but this is much less likely as the oscillators generate sine waves and thus only produce signals on one frequency at a time. Purely analogue electronic devices are getting pretty rare these days. |
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Digital Photography On Aircraft Not Permitted on Take Off or Landing
"Podge" wrote in message ...
I was on an Air New Zealand flight a while ago, and I started to take a few pics (from my digital still camera) as the aircraft took off. An air hostess politely told me that the use of electronic devices was not permitted during take-offs or landings. I told her that I was using a dedicated still digital camera and not a camcorder, but she still asked me to turn it off. About 10 minutes later, when land was well out of sight, we were able to turn on our "electronic devices". But about 10 minutes before landing, while still over the sea, all electronic devices had to be turned off again. The only worthwhile photography from this flight was during the first and last 5 minutes of the flight, and this would apply to many other flights that I have been on. Now I know that the use of camcorders has been banned during take-offs and landings, but I didn't know that digital still cameras now suffered this fate. My digital camera can't take movies, but I know that a lot of digital still cameras can also take movies. From a practical point of view, does anyone know whether digital cameras really CAN interfere with an aircraft's navigation systems? Are airlines being a little too cautious with regard to the use of digital cameras and camcorders? About 5 years ago, nobody cared when I used my camcorder or digital still camera during take-offs or landings, and there were no reports then of interference with the aircrafts' navigation systems! So what has changed during the last 5 years? Podge Guess you haven't taken any flights for a while. Airline security has changed drastically over the last several years, including turning off all electronic deviced during takeoff & landings. Even something so harmless as a PDA, which I usually have with me to read e-books during a flight. Most PDAs have wireless connections built-in now, but years ago when I started using one there was no such thing - didn't matter, it still had to be off except while the aircraft was at cruising altitude. Mark |
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Digital Photography On Aircraft Not Permitted on Take Off or Landing
"Mark B." wrote in message . .. Guess you haven't taken any flights for a while. Airline security has changed drastically over the last several years, including turning off all electronic deviced during takeoff & landings. Even something so harmless as a PDA, which I usually have with me to read e-books during a flight. Most PDAs have wireless connections built-in now, but years ago when I started using one there was no such thing - didn't matter, it still had to be off except while the aircraft was at cruising altitude. Well then, how do professional photographers get their city aerial pics? Do they have to especially hire aircraft for this purpose? If you used an old film-type still camera, I wonder if these would be banned also? I can understand that laptop computers, GPS units and other radio transmitting devices could cause problems, but I am a bit surprised to find that a tiny digital still camera could be a problem! I would have thought that interference from strong (and perhaps unshielded) ground-based radio signals would be just as much a problem to an aircraft that is coming in to land as the interference that a tiny digital camera could produce? I wonder if any scientific tests have been done on interference from digital cameras, or whether it's simply easier to ban all electronic devices? Podge |
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Digital Photography On Aircraft Not Permitted on Take Off or Landing
"Paul Saccani" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:42:25 +1300, "Podge" wrote: About 5 years ago, nobody cared when I used my camcorder or digital still camera during take-offs or landings, and there were no reports then of interference with the aircrafts' navigation systems! So what has changed during the last 5 years? Confirmed cases of interference by such devices, including replication under test conditions. -- Cheers Paul Saccani Perth, Western Australia. Are there any internet web sites which would give details of these cases, particularly with regard to electrical interference produced by tiny digital still cameras? |
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Digital Photography On Aircraft Not Permitted on Take Off or Landing
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:42:25 +1300, "Podge" wrote:
I was on an Air New Zealand flight a while ago, and I started to take a few pics (from my digital still camera) as the aircraft took off. An air hostess politely told me that the use of electronic devices was not permitted during take-offs or landings. I told her that I was using a dedicated still digital camera and not a camcorder, but she still asked me to turn it off. About 10 minutes later, when land was well out of sight, we were able to turn on our "electronic devices". But about 10 minutes before landing, while still over the sea, all electronic devices had to be turned off again. The only worthwhile photography from this flight was during the first and last 5 minutes of the flight, and this would apply to many other flights that I have been on. Now I know that the use of camcorders has been banned during take-offs and landings, but I didn't know that digital still cameras now suffered this fate. My digital camera can't take movies, but I know that a lot of digital still cameras can also take movies. From a practical point of view, does anyone know whether digital cameras really CAN interfere with an aircraft's navigation systems? Are airlines being a little too cautious with regard to the use of digital cameras and camcorders? I think there are some considerations you haven't thought about. I don't know what the air hostess to passenger ratio was, but we can't expect the air hostesses to have the time to check out each passenger's device to see if it's something that is, or is not, within the rules. In that brief time that you were stopped from using your device, she had to monitor several passengers and conduct her other duties. It makes their job easier to just say "no devices". Also, there's the security consideration of allowing images to be taken of ground facilities. Perhaps we're more conscious of this in the US, but the idea of people being able to photograph airport ground facilities is not acceptable here. It may be that the possible interference in the aircraft's systems is not the reason for the ban at all. It's a plausible excuse that passengers are more likely to accept because they don't know anything about the aircraft's system. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |
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Digital Photography On Aircraft Not Permitted on Take Off orLanding
On Jan 13, 8:53*pm, "Mark B." wrote:
"Podge" wrote in ... I was on an Air New Zealand flight a while ago, and I started to take a few pics (from my digital still camera) as the aircraft took off. An air hostess politely told me that the use of electronic devices was not permitted during take-offs or landings. I told her that I was using a dedicated still digital camera and not a camcorder, but she still asked me to turn it off. About 10 minutes later, when land was well out of sight, we were able to turn on our "electronic devices". But about 10 minutes before landing, while still over the sea, all electronic devices had to be turned off again. The only worthwhile photography from this flight was during the first and last 5 minutes of the flight, and this would apply to many other flights that I have been on. Now I know that the use of camcorders has been banned during take-offs and landings, but I didn't know that digital still cameras now suffered this fate. My digital camera can't take movies, but I know that a lot of digital still cameras can also take movies. From a practical point of view, does anyone know whether digital cameras really CAN interfere with an aircraft's navigation systems? Are airlines being a little too cautious with regard to the use of digital cameras and camcorders? About 5 years ago, nobody cared when I used my camcorder or digital still camera during take-offs or landings, and there were no reports then of interference with the aircrafts' navigation systems! So what has changed during the last 5 years? Podge Guess you haven't taken any flights for a while. *Airline security has changed drastically over the last several years, including turning off all electronic deviced during takeoff & landings. *Even something so harmless as a PDA, which I usually have with me to read e-books during a flight. *Most PDAs have wireless connections built-in now, but years ago when I started using one there was no such thing - didn't matter, it still had to be off except while the aircraft was at cruising altitude. Mark I took digital photos from aircrafts during take off and landing many times, a while ago or just recently (last year). We still have not been explained technically regarding positive proof of such interferences. When you fly in third world countries in the past, they have concerns that you take photos (even using the old conventional cameras) from the air (perhaps due sensitive installation, sites, etc). However, perhaps the practice is now starting to spread over the liberal, democratic countries as well. On similar view, do you recall that you cannot use a cell phone inside a hospital, as it may interfere with EKG equipment, etc. Ironically, my experience in one of the hospital in South east Asia was that everyone in the hospital (including the interns and doctors) were all using cell phones. Then, last month we all heard about the news that revealed 10 common myths that people is still being forced to believe. The report indicated that the chance of interference is very small. However, it is strange that only perhaps 2 out of every 5 news media actually discussed about this particular issue (cell phone in hospital). The other 3 out of the 5 seems to push the news under the rug. Why? You can perhaps google it under the news and see who reported it and who did not. Wouldn't this all cover under "who is and who wants to be in control?". Sure, if you fly, they prefer you to be in chains and naked . That way it is 100% sure that you will not affect anything..... or perhaps telepathy would still even be a concern in this case ? |
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Digital Photography On Aircraft Not Permitted on Take Off or Landing
"tony cooper" wrote in message ... I think there are some considerations you haven't thought about. I don't know what the air hostess to passenger ratio was, but we can't expect the air hostesses to have the time to check out each passenger's device to see if it's something that is, or is not, within the rules. In that brief time that you were stopped from using your device, she had to monitor several passengers and conduct her other duties. It makes their job easier to just say "no devices". Also, there's the security consideration of allowing images to be taken of ground facilities. Perhaps we're more conscious of this in the US, but the idea of people being able to photograph airport ground facilities is not acceptable here. It may be that the possible interference in the aircraft's systems is not the reason for the ban at all. It's a plausible excuse that passengers are more likely to accept because they don't know anything about the aircraft's system. Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida Good points, but I think if someone really wanted to take movies from a departing aircraft, they could easily conceal a tiny video camera. We see a few TV clips these days where people were filmed by miniature hidden cameras. In addition, you can often see amazing detail from images on Google earth, so I think it might be quite difficult to stop people getting images of airport ground facilities? |
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Digital Photography On Aircraft Not Permitted on Take Off or Landing
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:08:46 +1300, "Podge" wrote in
: "Mark B." wrote in message ... Guess you haven't taken any flights for a while. Airline security has changed drastically over the last several years, including turning off all electronic deviced during takeoff & landings. Even something so harmless as a PDA, which I usually have with me to read e-books during a flight. Most PDAs have wireless connections built-in now, but years ago when I started using one there was no such thing - didn't matter, it still had to be off except while the aircraft was at cruising altitude. Well then, how do professional photographers get their city aerial pics? Do they have to especially hire aircraft for this purpose? Yes. -- Best regards, John Navas Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others) |
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