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OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?
On 21/08/2015 13:32, RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 20 August 2015 17:19:28 UTC-4, Eric Stevens wrote: https://vimeo.com/135580602 -- Regards, Eric Stevens More proof that the nervous nitwits who said they had enough bombs to "destroy the world 10x over" were idiots. They detonated hundreds of bombs in tests and apart from some fishermen who were contaminated (1 died I think) there were NO drastic results from those detonations. On top of that, most attack bombs would be air-bursts for maximum blast damage and wouldn't create huge amounts of fall-out like ground or water-burst tests done. You won't find consensus on the death toll from stochastic effects of radiation exposure from those bombs (nor from "accidents" like Chernobyl). But to claim that only one died is a quantum leap from the most optimistic delusion, especially when from almost the outset - two bombs were detonated which killed 130,000. Anyway - nothing to worry about from new members joining the club. Presidents Putin and Trump will keep us all safe. |
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OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?
On 2015-08-21 22:44:16 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 04:58:56 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-08-21 09:02:50 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:40:02 -0400, Davoud wrote: Eric Stevens: https://vimeo.com/135580602 Probably went too fast for me to follow. I didn't see the Israeli or the South African tests. I didn't know the South Africans had tests. I'm not too sure about the Israelis either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident Thanks. That seems to confirm that there was no test by South Africa. I've been long aware of the Vela incident and to the best of my knowledge the concensus is that it was of meteoric origin. The suggestion has been made that the explosion was a test on Prince Edward Island but an active volcanic peak in the deep waters of the southern ocean does not seem to be practical site for a test. It seems the South Africans built an underground test site in the Kalahari desert. However, no tests were ever conducted there because the US exposed the site after an SR-71 overflight. and threats from the French who were in a deal to provide a nuclear power station. There is no doubt that there was Israeli-South African collaboration in the design and exchange of nuclear material. The big collaboration was in co-development of ballistic missiles and the use of several South African missile ranges. It is quite possible that the Prince Edward Islands (actually two islands) area was used for ship borne missile tests. South Africa maintains a weather station on the larger of the two, Marion Island. It is not the sort of place any sane person would want to take a South Seas vacation. ....unless you were on your way to see penguins in Antartica. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward_Islands As far as the "Vela Incident" being a detected test of a South African or Israeli nuclear weapon, neither party has confirmed or denied. (...and it would probably not have been on the island as that would not have been practical) South Africa has been producing Israeli weapons under license since the early 1960s starting with the Uzi sub-machinegun, then the South African version of the Galil rifle, the R4. This is basically an improved AK-47. Then the South African military made a deal to use the Israeli upgrade blueprints to the French Mirage III fighter making the SAAF "Cheetah" the African cousin of the Israeli "Kfir". -- Regards, Savageduck |
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OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?
On 2015-08-21 23:42:52 +0000, Davoud said:
Eric Stevens: Thanks. That seems to confirm that there was no test by South Africa. Does it, now? Well if both involved parties deny it long enough.... I've been long aware of the Vela incident and to the best of my knowledge the concensus is that it was of meteoric origin. The suggestion has been made that the explosion was a test on Prince Edward Island but an active volcanic peak in the deep waters of the southern ocean does not seem to be practical site for a test. Heh, heh. There wouldn't be any accidental tourist witnesses down there, and the response; "What do you mean double flash? There must be something wrong with your satellite. That's our story and we are sticking to it." seems to be working. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?
On 22/08/2015 15:20, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... On 22/08/2015 13:10, J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... On 21/08/2015 13:32, RichA wrote: On Thursday, 20 August 2015 17:19:28 UTC-4, Eric Stevens wrote: https://vimeo.com/135580602 -- Regards, Eric Stevens More proof that the nervous nitwits who said they had enough bombs to "destroy the world 10x over" were idiots. They detonated hundreds of bombs in tests and apart from some fishermen who were contaminated (1 died I think) there were NO drastic results from those detonations. On top of that, most attack bombs would be air-bursts for maximum blast damage and wouldn't create huge amounts of fall-out like ground or water-burst tests done. You won't find consensus on the death toll from stochastic effects of radiation exposure from those bombs (nor from "accidents" like Chernobyl). But to claim that only one died is a quantum leap from the most optimistic delusion, especially when from almost the outset - two bombs were detonated which killed 130,000. Neither of which was a "test". There's no doubt "Little Boy" (Hiroshima bomb) actually was a test. The "Fat Man" (Nagasaki) type device had been tested (Trinity), but not dropped from a plane and detonated at altitude. Just because both of these bombs were used in warfare does not mean they weren't also "tests". And another boring pedant goes into the killfile. Pedant | \ˈpe-dənt\ (noun) 1 (a) : a person who annoys other people by correcting serious errors and pays attention to major misrepresentation of fact. Your turn now - define "plonker". |
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OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:39:36 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On 2015-08-21 23:42:52 +0000, Davoud said: Eric Stevens: Thanks. That seems to confirm that there was no test by South Africa. Does it, now? Well if both involved parties deny it long enough.... I've been long aware of the Vela incident and to the best of my knowledge the concensus is that it was of meteoric origin. The suggestion has been made that the explosion was a test on Prince Edward Island but an active volcanic peak in the deep waters of the southern ocean does not seem to be practical site for a test. Heh, heh. There wouldn't be any accidental tourist witnesses down there, and the response; "What do you mean double flash? There must be something wrong with your satellite. That's our story and we are sticking to it." seems to be working. Tests amount to much more than lighting the blue paper and standing clear. An enormous amount of gear has to be moved in and set up but is there any evidence of that? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:32:17 -0700, Savageduck
wrote: On 2015-08-21 22:44:16 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 04:58:56 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On 2015-08-21 09:02:50 +0000, Eric Stevens said: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:40:02 -0400, Davoud wrote: Eric Stevens: https://vimeo.com/135580602 Probably went too fast for me to follow. I didn't see the Israeli or the South African tests. I didn't know the South Africans had tests. I'm not too sure about the Israelis either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident Thanks. That seems to confirm that there was no test by South Africa. I've been long aware of the Vela incident and to the best of my knowledge the concensus is that it was of meteoric origin. The suggestion has been made that the explosion was a test on Prince Edward Island but an active volcanic peak in the deep waters of the southern ocean does not seem to be practical site for a test. It seems the South Africans built an underground test site in the Kalahari desert. However, no tests were ever conducted there because the US exposed the site after an SR-71 overflight. and threats from the French who were in a deal to provide a nuclear power station. There is no doubt that there was Israeli-South African collaboration in the design and exchange of nuclear material. The big collaboration was in co-development of ballistic missiles and the use of several South African missile ranges. It is quite possible that the Prince Edward Islands (actually two islands) area was used for ship borne missile tests. South Africa maintains a weather station on the larger of the two, Marion Island. It is not the sort of place any sane person would want to take a South Seas vacation. ...unless you were on your way to see penguins in Antartica. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward_Islands As far as the "Vela Incident" being a detected test of a South African or Israeli nuclear weapon, neither party has confirmed or denied. (...and it would probably not have been on the island as that would not have been practical) That's my point. South Africa has been producing Israeli weapons under license since the early 1960s starting with the Uzi sub-machinegun, then the South African version of the Galil rifle, the R4. This is basically an improved AK-47. Then the South African military made a deal to use the Israeli upgrade blueprints to the French Mirage III fighter making the SAAF "Cheetah" the African cousin of the Israeli "Kfir". -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?
On 8/22/2015 12:18 AM, Me wrote:
On 22/08/2015 15:20, J. Clarke wrote: snip And another boring pedant goes into the killfile. Pedant | \ˈpe-dənt\ (noun) 1 (a) : a person who annoys other people by correcting serious errors and pays attention to major misrepresentation of fact. Your turn now - define "plonker". There are so many in his plonk file, that I wonder why he continues to subscribe to this NG. -- PeterN |
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OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?
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PeterN wrote: On 8/22/2015 12:18 AM, Me wrote: On 22/08/2015 15:20, J. Clarke wrote: snip And another boring pedant goes into the killfile. Pedant | \?pe-d?nt\ (noun) 1 (a) : a person who annoys other people by correcting serious errors and pays attention to major misrepresentation of fact. Your turn now - define "plonker". The opposite of "plonkie"... :-p There are so many in his plonk file, that I wonder why he continues to subscribe to this NG. -- teleportation kills |
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OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?
Eric Stevens Wrote in message:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:40:02 -0400, Davoud wrote: Eric Stevens: https://vimeo.com/135580602 Probably went too fast for me to follow. I didn't see the Israeli or the South African tests. I didn't know the South Africans had tests. I'm not too sure about the Israelis either. Whatever, your Sandman seems to have lost his capabilities for deterens... http://tinyurl.com/oqkefdy Now there is the question if the Saudis have helped to pay for the Pakistani nukes, and if they got some in return for that... -- teleportation kills ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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