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Old August 22nd 15, 01:50 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?

On 21/08/2015 13:32, RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 20 August 2015 17:19:28 UTC-4, Eric Stevens wrote:
https://vimeo.com/135580602
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Regards,

Eric Stevens


More proof that the nervous nitwits who said they had enough bombs to "destroy the world 10x over" were idiots. They detonated hundreds of bombs in tests and apart from some fishermen who were contaminated (1 died I think) there were NO drastic results from those detonations. On top of that, most attack bombs would be air-bursts for maximum blast damage and wouldn't create huge amounts of fall-out like ground or water-burst tests done.

You won't find consensus on the death toll from stochastic effects of
radiation exposure from those bombs (nor from "accidents" like Chernobyl).
But to claim that only one died is a quantum leap from the most
optimistic delusion, especially when from almost the outset - two bombs
were detonated which killed 130,000.

Anyway - nothing to worry about from new members joining the club.
Presidents Putin and Trump will keep us all safe.


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Old August 22nd 15, 02:32 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?

On 2015-08-21 22:44:16 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 04:58:56 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-08-21 09:02:50 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:40:02 -0400, Davoud wrote:

Eric Stevens:
https://vimeo.com/135580602

Probably went too fast for me to follow. I didn't see the Israeli or
the South African tests.

I didn't know the South Africans had tests. I'm not too sure about the
Israelis either.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident


Thanks. That seems to confirm that there was no test by South Africa.
I've been long aware of the Vela incident and to the best of my
knowledge the concensus is that it was of meteoric origin. The
suggestion has been made that the explosion was a test on Prince
Edward Island but an active volcanic peak in the deep waters of the
southern ocean does not seem to be practical site for a test.


It seems the South Africans built an underground test site in the
Kalahari desert. However, no tests were ever conducted there because
the US exposed the site after an SR-71 overflight. and threats from the
French who were in a deal to provide a nuclear power station.

There is no doubt that there was Israeli-South African collaboration in
the design and exchange of nuclear material. The big collaboration was
in co-development of ballistic missiles and the use of several South
African missile ranges. It is quite possible that the Prince Edward
Islands (actually two islands) area was used for ship borne missile
tests. South Africa maintains a weather station on the larger of the
two, Marion Island. It is not the sort of place any sane person would
want to take a South Seas vacation.
....unless you were on your way to see penguins in Antartica.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward_Islands

As far as the "Vela Incident" being a detected test of a South African
or Israeli nuclear weapon, neither party has confirmed or denied.
(...and it would probably not have been on the island as that would not
have been practical)

South Africa has been producing Israeli weapons under license since the
early 1960s starting with the Uzi sub-machinegun, then the South
African version of the Galil rifle, the R4. This is basically an
improved AK-47.

Then the South African military made a deal to use the Israeli upgrade
blueprints to the French Mirage III fighter making the SAAF "Cheetah"
the African cousin of the Israeli "Kfir".

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Old August 22nd 15, 02:39 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?

On 2015-08-21 23:42:52 +0000, Davoud said:

Eric Stevens:
Thanks. That seems to confirm that there was no test by South Africa.


Does it, now?


Well if both involved parties deny it long enough....

I've been long aware of the Vela incident and to the best of my
knowledge the concensus is that it was of meteoric origin. The
suggestion has been made that the explosion was a test on Prince
Edward Island but an active volcanic peak in the deep waters of the
southern ocean does not seem to be practical site for a test.


Heh, heh.


There wouldn't be any accidental tourist witnesses down there, and the
response;
"What do you mean double flash? There must be something wrong with your
satellite. That's our story and we are sticking to it." seems to be
working.


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Old August 22nd 15, 03:21 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?

On 22/08/2015 13:10, J. Clarke wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 21/08/2015 13:32, RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 20 August 2015 17:19:28 UTC-4, Eric Stevens wrote:
https://vimeo.com/135580602
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

More proof that the nervous nitwits who said they had enough bombs to "destroy the world 10x over" were idiots. They detonated hundreds of bombs in tests and apart from some fishermen who were contaminated (1 died I think) there were NO drastic results from those detonations. On top of that, most attack bombs would be air-bursts for maximum blast damage and wouldn't create huge amounts of fall-out like ground or water-burst tests done.

You won't find consensus on the death toll from stochastic effects of
radiation exposure from those bombs (nor from "accidents" like Chernobyl).
But to claim that only one died is a quantum leap from the most
optimistic delusion, especially when from almost the outset - two bombs
were detonated which killed 130,000.


Neither of which was a "test".

There's no doubt "Little Boy" (Hiroshima bomb) actually was a test.
The "Fat Man" (Nagasaki) type device had been tested (Trinity), but not
dropped from a plane and detonated at altitude. Just because both of
these bombs were used in warfare does not mean they weren't also "tests".


Anyway - nothing to worry about from new members joining the club.
Presidents Putin and Trump will keep us all safe.




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Old August 22nd 15, 05:18 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?

On 22/08/2015 15:20, J. Clarke wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 22/08/2015 13:10, J. Clarke wrote:
In article ,

says...

On 21/08/2015 13:32, RichA wrote:
On Thursday, 20 August 2015 17:19:28 UTC-4, Eric Stevens wrote:
https://vimeo.com/135580602
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

More proof that the nervous nitwits who said they had enough bombs to "destroy the world 10x over" were idiots. They detonated hundreds of bombs in tests and apart from some fishermen who were contaminated (1 died I think) there were NO drastic results from those detonations. On top of that, most attack bombs would be air-bursts for maximum blast damage and wouldn't create huge amounts of fall-out like ground or water-burst tests done.

You won't find consensus on the death toll from stochastic effects of
radiation exposure from those bombs (nor from "accidents" like Chernobyl).
But to claim that only one died is a quantum leap from the most
optimistic delusion, especially when from almost the outset - two bombs
were detonated which killed 130,000.

Neither of which was a "test".

There's no doubt "Little Boy" (Hiroshima bomb) actually was a test.
The "Fat Man" (Nagasaki) type device had been tested (Trinity), but not
dropped from a plane and detonated at altitude. Just because both of
these bombs were used in warfare does not mean they weren't also "tests".


And another boring pedant goes into the killfile.


Pedant | \ˈpe-dənt\
(noun)
1 (a) : a person who annoys other people by correcting serious errors
and pays attention to major misrepresentation of fact.

Your turn now - define "plonker".


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Old August 22nd 15, 08:17 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:39:36 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-08-21 23:42:52 +0000, Davoud said:

Eric Stevens:
Thanks. That seems to confirm that there was no test by South Africa.


Does it, now?


Well if both involved parties deny it long enough....

I've been long aware of the Vela incident and to the best of my
knowledge the concensus is that it was of meteoric origin. The
suggestion has been made that the explosion was a test on Prince
Edward Island but an active volcanic peak in the deep waters of the
southern ocean does not seem to be practical site for a test.


Heh, heh.


There wouldn't be any accidental tourist witnesses down there, and the
response;
"What do you mean double flash? There must be something wrong with your
satellite. That's our story and we are sticking to it." seems to be
working.


Tests amount to much more than lighting the blue paper and standing
clear.

An enormous amount of gear has to be moved in and set up but is there
any evidence of that?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old August 22nd 15, 08:19 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:32:17 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-08-21 22:44:16 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 04:58:56 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

On 2015-08-21 09:02:50 +0000, Eric Stevens said:

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:40:02 -0400, Davoud wrote:

Eric Stevens:
https://vimeo.com/135580602

Probably went too fast for me to follow. I didn't see the Israeli or
the South African tests.

I didn't know the South Africans had tests. I'm not too sure about the
Israelis either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident


Thanks. That seems to confirm that there was no test by South Africa.
I've been long aware of the Vela incident and to the best of my
knowledge the concensus is that it was of meteoric origin. The
suggestion has been made that the explosion was a test on Prince
Edward Island but an active volcanic peak in the deep waters of the
southern ocean does not seem to be practical site for a test.


It seems the South Africans built an underground test site in the
Kalahari desert. However, no tests were ever conducted there because
the US exposed the site after an SR-71 overflight. and threats from the
French who were in a deal to provide a nuclear power station.

There is no doubt that there was Israeli-South African collaboration in
the design and exchange of nuclear material. The big collaboration was
in co-development of ballistic missiles and the use of several South
African missile ranges. It is quite possible that the Prince Edward
Islands (actually two islands) area was used for ship borne missile
tests. South Africa maintains a weather station on the larger of the
two, Marion Island. It is not the sort of place any sane person would
want to take a South Seas vacation.
...unless you were on your way to see penguins in Antartica.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward_Islands

As far as the "Vela Incident" being a detected test of a South African
or Israeli nuclear weapon, neither party has confirmed or denied.
(...and it would probably not have been on the island as that would not
have been practical)


That's my point.

South Africa has been producing Israeli weapons under license since the
early 1960s starting with the Uzi sub-machinegun, then the South
African version of the Galil rifle, the R4. This is basically an
improved AK-47.

Then the South African military made a deal to use the Israeli upgrade
blueprints to the French Mirage III fighter making the SAAF "Cheetah"
the African cousin of the Israeli "Kfir".

--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old August 22nd 15, 04:00 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?

On 8/22/2015 12:18 AM, Me wrote:
On 22/08/2015 15:20, J. Clarke wrote:


snip


And another boring pedant goes into the killfile.


Pedant | \ˈpe-dənt\
(noun)
1 (a) : a person who annoys other people by correcting serious errors
and pays attention to major misrepresentation of fact.

Your turn now - define "plonker".



There are so many in his plonk file, that I wonder why he continues to
subscribe to this NG.
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Old August 23rd 15, 06:37 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default OT Who would have known there were so many bombs?

In article ,
PeterN wrote:

On 8/22/2015 12:18 AM, Me wrote:
On 22/08/2015 15:20, J. Clarke wrote:


snip


And another boring pedant goes into the killfile.


Pedant | \?pe-d?nt\
(noun)
1 (a) : a person who annoys other people by correcting serious errors
and pays attention to major misrepresentation of fact.

Your turn now - define "plonker".


The opposite of "plonkie"... :-p



There are so many in his plonk file, that I wonder why he continues to
subscribe to this NG.

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Old April 8th 17, 04:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Eric Stevens Wrote in message:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 23:40:02 -0400, Davoud wrote:

Eric Stevens:
https://vimeo.com/135580602


Probably went too fast for me to follow. I didn't see the Israeli or
the South African tests.


I didn't know the South Africans had tests. I'm not too sure about the
Israelis either.


Whatever, your Sandman seems to have lost his capabilities for
deterens...

http://tinyurl.com/oqkefdy

Now there is the question if the Saudis have helped to pay for the
Pakistani nukes, and if they got some in return for
that...
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