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According to the New York Times, last year White House lawyers
concluded that President Bush could legally order interrogators
to
torture and even kill people in the interest of national
security--so if that's legal, what the hell are we charging
Saddam
Hussein with?

Killing & torturing them without any threat to his national
security......Just because he liked to kill & torture people.

He "liked" to kill and torture people to keep the remainder
docile. Now
they are discovering what non-docile behavior can do. Ol' Bush
accomplished something, anyway.


Yes.....Bush freed the Iraqi people. If only for a little while. I
hope they
remain free, but if they don't, at least Bush gave them the chance.
But you
are definitely right. A tyrant has to kill large numbers of people
to keep
the rest docile. And, as long as one has to kill people, one might
as well
have lots of fun doing it, so that explains Saddam's torture
chambers and
rape rooms. And if Jay Leno doesn't see that Bush doesn't maintain
torture
chambers and rape rooms, well, that's his stupidity, not mine, but
I'm sure
he got a good laugh with his little joke.



How come now that the iraqi oil has been liberated, that
we are still paying record high price at the pump for gas?
Damn that Iraq, I don't know how the US oil got under their
sand in the first place....

Well, if you want to change the subject.....Sure, ---I'll bite. I was in
Europe about 15 years ago, and I had to pay $3.50 a gallon for gasoline.
Today, $2.20 a gallon here in the US is really pretty cheap. Why the
price
is exactly what it is I can't say for sure, but the ME cartel fixes the
price to maximize the amount of money they make, and the president tries
to
not use up our oil reserves so that when the world runs out of oil, we
will
be the last ones to run out. I have it on pretty good authority that we
won't run out for another 50 years or more, so I think it's a moot
point,
because by that time there will be enough alternative energy sources
that
it
won't really matter. (In my opinion)
As far as the "US oil getting under their sand", if it weren't for
the
West, they would still be riding their camels over that sand and
wouldn't
have a clue that there was anything down there that was more valuable
than
well water. We found it, drilled for it, pumped it up, built the
refineries
and cracked it into gasoline, sold them the Caddies, and built their
roads
and taught them how to drive around with it. All they ever learned to do
was
quote the Koran and hate Americans. Belong to us? - No, not quite. But
pretty damn near.........


In the case of Iraq, actually it was us, not you...

You did it with Saudi.



Peter


Yes.....That's why I said, "The West".

"Sander Vesik" wrote in message
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm William Graham wrote:

Well, if you want to change the subject.....Sure, ---I'll bite. I was in
Europe about 15 years ago, and I had to pay $3.50 a gallon for gasoline.
Today, $2.20 a gallon here in the US is really pretty cheap. Why the
price

I think ATM 1 litre of unleaded costs somewhere around 1 EUR in the EU.

is exactly what it is I can't say for sure, but the ME cartel fixes the
price to maximize the amount of money they make, and the president tries
to

Precicely why should they have any other goal than making as much money
out of a limited resource they have?

Did I say otherwise? Of course they do, but that doesn't mean charging any
price they want. They are still competing with other oil countries in the
world.....Indonesia, Mexico, and the like. Like any other compeditor, they
must balance their price against their production and that of their
competition in order to maximize their profit.

"adm" wrote in message
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"Sander Vesik" wrote in message
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm William Graham wrote:

Well, if you want to change the subject.....Sure, ---I'll bite. I was
in
Europe about 15 years ago, and I had to pay $3.50 a gallon for
gasoline.
Today, $2.20 a gallon here in the US is really pretty cheap. Why the
price

I think ATM 1 litre of unleaded costs somewhere around 1 EUR in the EU.

It's currently around $7 of your quaint US dollars per gallon in the UK.



So it has doubled in the last 15 years or so.....Not too
unreasonable.........Most things double every 15 years assuming a 5%
inflation rate.......

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"Sander Vesik" wrote in message
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm adm wrote:

"Sander Vesik" wrote in message
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm William Graham wrote:

Well, if you want to change the subject.....Sure, ---I'll bite. I
was in
Europe about 15 years ago, and I had to pay $3.50 a gallon for
gasoline.
Today, $2.20 a gallon here in the US is really pretty cheap. Why
the
price

I think ATM 1 litre of unleaded costs somewhere around 1 EUR in the
EU.

It's currently around $7 of your quaint US dollars per gallon in the
UK.


my quaint US dollars? you are mistaken - i don't live in a USD based
economy.

It was meant for the OP - not you.


One of the things I loved about traveling was using the money in the neat
places I was in. I liked the German Marks and the Australian dollars, and
the Italian Lira....I was kind of sad to hear that the eurodollar was
replacing some of these, but I am too old to go back to these countries
anyway..........Our, "quaint" US dollars is not an insult to me........

"Chris Loffredo" wrote in message
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William Graham wrote:

Well, if you want to change the subject.....Sure, ---I'll bite. I was in
Europe about 15 years ago, and I had to pay $3.50 a gallon for gasoline.
Today, $2.20 a gallon here in the US is really pretty cheap. Why the
price
is exactly what it is I can't say for sure, but the ME cartel fixes the
price to maximize the amount of money they make, and the president tries
to
not use up our oil reserves so that when the world runs out of oil, we
will
be the last ones to run out. I have it on pretty good authority that we
won't run out for another 50 years or more, so I think it's a moot
point,
because by that time there will be enough alternative energy sources
that it
won't really matter. (In my opinion)
As far as the "US oil getting under their sand", if it weren't for
the
West, they would still be riding their camels over that sand and
wouldn't
have a clue that there was anything down there that was more valuable
than
well water. We found it, drilled for it, pumped it up, built the
refineries
and cracked it into gasoline, sold them the Caddies, and built their
roads
and taught them how to drive around with it. All they ever learned to do
was
quote the Koran and hate Americans. Belong to us? - No, not quite. But
pretty damn near.........



I try to stay of of OT political threads, but this is a bit too much.

Of course, the value of a culture is measured by car & oil use; poetry,
food, algebra (your narrow technocratic mind might at least recognise
that!), literature (and also many western classics are preserved thanks
to copies in arabic) count for nothing.

People like you are exactly why Americans are so "popular" around the
World.

I realise that many (hopefully most) Americans are not like you, but
think of the message you are sending on a World-wide Forum!!!!

Chris


I am not too worried about my, "message". I have heard enough "messages"
comparing my president unfavorably to Saddam Hussein on this, "World forum".
If the Arabian culture was responsible for many great achievements in the
past, then why are they a bunch of murdering camel jockeys today? They
couldn't even muster up their own bombs....They had to steal four of our
airplanes to run them into 3000 of our civilians......That's how, "advanced"
they are today. I am supposed to admire them, and be nice to them? - GIVE ME
A BREAK!

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"Sander Vesik" wrote in message
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm adm wrote:

"Sander Vesik" wrote in message
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm William Graham
wrote:

Well, if you want to change the subject.....Sure, ---I'll bite.
I
was in
Europe about 15 years ago, and I had to pay $3.50 a gallon for
gasoline.
Today, $2.20 a gallon here in the US is really pretty cheap. Why
the
price

I think ATM 1 litre of unleaded costs somewhere around 1 EUR in
the
EU.

It's currently around $7 of your quaint US dollars per gallon in the
UK.


my quaint US dollars? you are mistaken - i don't live in a USD based
economy.

It was meant for the OP - not you.


One of the things I loved about traveling was using the money in the neat
places I was in. I liked the German Marks and the Australian dollars, and
the Italian Lira....I was kind of sad to hear that the eurodollar was
replacing some of these, but I am too old to go back to these countries
anyway..........Our, "quaint" US dollars is not an insult to me........

Good - because it wasn't meant to be !

William Graham wrote:


I am not too worried about my, "message". I have heard enough "messages"
comparing my president unfavorably to Saddam Hussein on this, "World forum".
If the Arabian culture was responsible for many great achievements in the
past, then why are they a bunch of murdering camel jockeys today? They
couldn't even muster up their own bombs....They had to steal four of our
airplanes to run them into 3000 of our civilians......That's how, "advanced"
they are today. I am supposed to admire them, and be nice to them? - GIVE ME
A BREAK!




Your wisdom and intelligence speak for themselves...

"William Graham" wrote in message
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"Chris Loffredo" wrote in message
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William Graham wrote:

[SNIP]

I try to stay of of OT political threads, but this is a bit too much.

Of course, the value of a culture is measured by car & oil use; poetry,
food, algebra (your narrow technocratic mind might at least recognise
that!), literature (and also many western classics are preserved thanks
to copies in arabic) count for nothing.

People like you are exactly why Americans are so "popular" around the
World.

I realise that many (hopefully most) Americans are not like you, but
think of the message you are sending on a World-wide Forum!!!!

Chris


I am not too worried about my, "message". I have heard enough "messages"
comparing my president unfavorably to Saddam Hussein on this, "World
forum".
If the Arabian culture was responsible for many great achievements in the
past, then why are they a bunch of murdering camel jockeys today? They
couldn't even muster up their own bombs....They had to steal four of our
airplanes to run them into 3000 of our civilians......That's how,
"advanced"
they are today. I am supposed to admire them, and be nice to them? - GIVE
ME
A BREAK!



Well, aside from any other considerations - how about the fact that it is
the West's, and principally America's, behaviour towards certain Arab groups
that has bred a terrorist minority. Admire them or not as you please, but
behaviour and attitudes that simply recruit more to the terrorist cause is
self-defeating.



Peter

"William Graham" wrote in message news:GJtCc.168438$Ly.30810@attbi_s01...

Well, if you want to change the subject.....Sure, ---I'll bite. I was in
Europe about 15 years ago, and I had to pay $3.50 a gallon for gasoline.

TAXES, nothing but TAXES makes the difference.


Today, $2.20 a gallon here in the US is really pretty cheap. Why the price
is exactly what it is I can't say for sure, but the ME cartel fixes the
price to maximize the amount of money they make, and the president tries to
not use up our oil reserves so that when the world runs out of oil, we will
be the last ones to run out. I have it on pretty good authority that we
won't run out for another 50 years or more, so I think it's a moot point,
because by that time there will be enough alternative energy sources that it
won't really matter. (In my opinion)

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"Sander Vesik" wrote in message
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In rec.photo.equipment.35mm D.R. DR@newzealand wrote:

How come now that the iraqi oil has been liberated, that
we are still paying record high price at the pump for gas?

So Bush's buddies can make out like gangbusters of course. Cheap oil doesn't
reallly work well for oil companies. They like to buy it low and then sell
it high.

Bull****. Petrol is a commodity. We import oil because it's cheaper
than drilling for it in the US. Most oil the US imports come from
Canada, not OPEC.



Damn that Iraq, I don't know how the US oil got under their
sand in the first place....


That is much more related to unrest in middle east (of which
there is much more) than Iraqi oil.

But almost all the unrest in the ME is caused by American industrial
imperialism and support for Israeli occupation of Palestinian (claimed)
territory.