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Alfred Molon wrote: In article MRRVd.43916$xt.29880@fed1read07, Skip M says... And a sincere one, too. If the Sony 828 and Nikon 8800 are "prosumer" cameras, then what is the Canon 20D? It's a DLSR. Cameras as the Sony 828, Olympus 8080, Canon G2 are all prosumers. There has always been a consensus about this. No there hasn't. If you remember back to the introduction of the EOS D30, it was widely hailed as the "first prosumer digital camera". |
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"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
... In article MRRVd.43916$xt.29880@fed1read07, Skip M says... And a sincere one, too. If the Sony 828 and Nikon 8800 are "prosumer" cameras, then what is the Canon 20D? It's a DLSR. Cameras as the Sony 828, Olympus 8080, Canon G2 are all prosumers. There has always been a consensus about this. -- Alfred Molon ------------------------------ Olympus 4040, 5050, 5060, 7070, 8080, E300 forum at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ Olympus 8080 resource - http://myolympus.org/8080/ Alfred, often you constitute a consensus of one. Of course, the 20D is a DSLR, that wasn't in question. Isn't there a distinction between a "prosumer" fixed lens camera and a "prosumer" DSLR? Because the 20D isn't a full on pro camera, like the 1D mkII, nor is it a consumer grade camera, like the RebelD/300D. -- Skip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com |
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oups.com... The cameras you talk about are (at best) mid-range consumer cameras. Prosumer does not start until you get past the 300D, D70, *1Ds, and E1 cameras; I'm guessing that you mean "*istD" not *1Ds... And the Oly E-1 is a solid prosumer camera. -- Skip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com |
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"Skip M" wrote in news:TD8Wd.44056$xt.13029
@fed1read07: wrote in message oups.com... The cameras you talk about are (at best) mid-range consumer cameras. Prosumer does not start until you get past the 300D, D70, *1Ds, and E1 cameras; I'm guessing that you mean "*istD" not *1Ds... And the Oly E-1 is a solid prosumer camera. "Prosumer" is a meaningless category. Pros use what works, whether that's a $20K Canon or a beat up OM-1. Consumers use whatever they want. A "prosumer" is presumably a serious photographer, or at least wants very fine equipment. His needs are not mutually exclusive from either professionals or consumers, but there is no common thread between various prosumers in the same way that there is between professional s who simply demand reliable high performance. |
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"bmoag" writes:
If software could be used, in camera or in computer, to correct or create lens aberrations effects, why would one need or want an SLR with its larger and heavier form factor? The optical and mechanical properties of any individual lens will be far less important than they are now. I think you vastly overrate software correction of aberrations. There is one aberration, geometric distortion, that is well-suited to correction in this manner. If a lens has only geometric distortion, all the light from a point in the subject converges to a single point in the image, so the image is *sharp*, but the point isn't in quite the right place. The process of fixing the image is simply one of taking a sharp image and slightly "warping" it to put the pixels in the right spot geometrically. This isn't too expensive, and can be done with almost no loss of picture information. But pretty much all other lens aberrations map a point in the subject to an *area* in the image. The distribution of the light depends on which aberration you're talking about, but the effect is loss of sharpness that you can't generally get back. Some information from the source is lost forever, no matter how much computer power you're prepared to throw at the problem. Dave |
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"Barry Bean" wrote in message
.. . "Skip M" wrote in news:TD8Wd.44056$xt.13029 @fed1read07: wrote in message oups.com... The cameras you talk about are (at best) mid-range consumer cameras. Prosumer does not start until you get past the 300D, D70, *1Ds, and E1 cameras; I'm guessing that you mean "*istD" not *1Ds... And the Oly E-1 is a solid prosumer camera. "Prosumer" is a meaningless category. Pros use what works, whether that's a $20K Canon or a beat up OM-1. Consumers use whatever they want. A "prosumer" is presumably a serious photographer, or at least wants very fine equipment. His needs are not mutually exclusive from either professionals or consumers, but there is no common thread between various prosumers in the same way that there is between professional s who simply demand reliable high performance. Do you have a better term to describe a camera that is aimed higher than the lowest common denominator entry level and the full blown take-it-to-the-Arctic professional grade camera? I'm not happy with the term "prosumer," much like I'm not happy with most manufactured terminology, but there doesn't seem to be a more appropriate one available, or in use. -- Skip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com |
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says... It's a DLSR. Cameras as the Sony 828, Olympus 8080, Canon G2 are all prosumers. There has always been a consensus about this. No no no... that's the brainwashing of marketing departments. Nope. That has been the consensus in this newsgroup for years. If one is a "prosumer" the other is a "prosucker". And here you have just managed to insult millions of people. -- Alfred Molon ------------------------------ Olympus 4040, 5050, 5060, 7070, 8080, E300 forum at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ Olympus 8080 resource - http://myolympus.org/8080/ |
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"Skip M" wrote in message news:GrbWd.44078$xt.33683@fed1read07... Do you have a better term to describe a camera that is aimed higher than the lowest common denominator entry level and the full blown take-it-to-the-Arctic professional grade camera? I'm not happy with the term "prosumer," much like I'm not happy with most manufactured terminology, but there doesn't seem to be a more appropriate one available, or in use. I don't like "Prosumer" either, but I've not found any better term. http://www.wordspy.com/words/prosumer.asp "A consumer who is an amateur in a particular field, but who is knowledgeable enough to require equipment that has some professional features ("professional" + "consumer")" I guess I would say that a "prosumer" camera, has some features similar to professional models, but the ruggedness and build-quality is not up to professional standards. |
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"Alfred Molon" wrote in message ... In article MRRVd.43916$xt.29880@fed1read07, Skip M says... And a sincere one, too. If the Sony 828 and Nikon 8800 are "prosumer" cameras, then what is the Canon 20D? It's a DLSR. Cameras as the Sony 828, Olympus 8080, Canon G2 are all prosumers. There has always been a consensus about this. Huh? Those cameras are higher-end compact digital cameras. They are not "Prosumer" by a long shot. |
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"Alfred Molon" wrote in message Nope. That has been the consensus in this newsgroup for years. ROTFLMAO! |
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