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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
For the last several years I have relied on an (almost) matched pairs
of Dell 2410 monitors - and now one has died. Not really surprising, considering it was +8 years old, but it was a bloody good monitor. I am now faced with the task of replacing it. I don't want to just replace it as it would amount to no more than installing 8 year old technology and I have been frantically beating around the bush trying to decide what to do. I am considering all kinds of options but I don't want to go into them now. One possibility which is raising sweat to my brow is the use of a high gamut monitor such as the Dell Ultrasharp 25 UP2516D http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-...or-accessories or http://tinyurl.com/hdpepts My reading on the subject suggests that monitors such as this can have problems with non-color-managed applications such as many that can be found on the Internet and can also create problems when editing images in all kinds of software. I would like to know if anyone has had any experience with such monitors and what their comments may be. Should I consider them and, if so, with what caveats in mind? -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
Eric Stevens wrote:
For the last several years I have relied on an (almost) matched pairs of Dell 2410 monitors - and now one has died. Not really surprising, considering it was +8 years old, but it was a bloody good monitor. I am now faced with the task of replacing it. I don't want to just replace it as it would amount to no more than installing 8 year old technology and I have been frantically beating around the bush trying to decide what to do. I am considering all kinds of options but I don't want to go into them now. One possibility which is raising sweat to my brow is the use of a high gamut monitor such as the Dell Ultrasharp 25 UP2516D http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-...-accessoriesor http://tinyurl.com/hdpepts I've never seen one, but in the past have used various Dell UltraSharp monitors for general purpose uses, and like them all. I've never used one specifically for image editing. They all tend to be excessively vivid, with over bright saturated colors. But proper calibration should control that to at least some degree. Note that the eventual effect is the opposite of what you see, so editing an image with an over saturated monitor will result in images that are under saturated to everyone else. And viewing their images will result in more saturation than they intended. My reading on the subject suggests that monitors such as this can have problems with non-color-managed applications such as many that can be found on the Internet and can also create problems when editing images in all kinds of software. I would like to know if anyone has had any experience with such monitors and what their comments may be. Should I consider them and, if so, with what caveats in mind? For image editing I use high end monitors purposely targeted at the use. Currently I use Eizo and NEC monitors. They can display a full 100% of Adobe RGB, as well as what is actually needed, which is 100% of sRGB. The problem is not the monitor's wide gamut, it's what you set your software to use! Do yourself a favor and ignore everything on this topic except for one sentence: "Set everything to sRGB." That will save no end of problems, and you won't lose a thing either. If you are doing layouts for a magazine, where they will put your image on the top of the page an another image from a different source on the bottom of the page, will you ever want to use a higher gamut than sRGB. Those two images need to match exactly! Imagine a Nikon advertisement with two different shades of yellow on two different pages. Nikon would have a fit and some ad agency would lose a contract... If you print for hanging on the wall or to post images to the Internet, sRGB is perfect. If you set everything you have, from the camera to the editor and viewers, to sRGB you won't have a problem. I'll give you an example of the kind of problem possible. This is seen all the time. I frequent a photography forum that will post 600x800 images. To see an image larger than that they have an option to provide the larger image as a download. In the forum post we only see the 600x800 maximum sized thumbnails, and only by clicking on a "Download Original" button we can see whatever the full sized image is... with the Exif data included! That 600x800, for privacy and other reasons, has the Exif data stripped automatically. So lots of folks edit images in either Adobe RGB or in ProPhoto RGB colorspace. People post images without converting them to sRGB. The 600x800 sized thumbnail has the colorspace tag stripped and instead of being displayed correctly as edited, it shows up as a very flat image. The original, if downloaded, look perfect (it still has the tag). If the original is converted to sRGB before uploading the stripped thumbnail will look correct, as will the original full sized image. That is and easy to avoid problem! -- Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/ Utqiagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
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In article , Floyd L. Davidson
wrote: The problem is not the monitor's wide gamut, it's what you set your software to use! Do yourself a favor and ignore everything on this topic except for one sentence: "Set everything to sRGB." That will save no end of problems, and you won't lose a thing either. that is the worst advice *ever*. setting everything to srgb when one has a wide gamut display is stupid. might as well just buy a cheap srgb display and save money. it's a bit like buying a 4k tv and watching 1080p (or worse, 720p) content. the higher quality is wasted. If you are doing layouts for a magazine, where they will put your image on the top of the page an another image from a different source on the bottom of the page, will you ever want to use a higher gamut than sRGB. Those two images need to match exactly! Imagine a Nikon advertisement with two different shades of yellow on two different pages. Nikon would have a fit and some ad agency would lose a contract... few people do layouts for magazines so that can be ignored, but for those who do, the magazine will specify exactly what they want. some might want srgb but not all of them do. If you print for hanging on the wall or to post images to the Internet, sRGB is perfect. If you set everything you have, from the camera to the editor and viewers, to sRGB you won't have a problem. only if you want substandard results. for those who print images, there is no reason whatsoever to dumb everything down to srgb because all but the ****tiest printers can beat srgb. this is even more noticeable with a modern dci-p3 display and a high end printer with 16 bit print drivers. for those who post images, there's also no reason since browsers are colour managed and dci-p3 displays are rapidly becoming the standard. |
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:25:24 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Floyd L. Davidson wrote: The problem is not the monitor's wide gamut, it's what you set your software to use! Do yourself a favor and ignore everything on this topic except for one sentence: "Set everything to sRGB." That will save no end of problems, and you won't lose a thing either. that is the worst advice *ever*. setting everything to srgb when one has a wide gamut display is stupid. might as well just buy a cheap srgb display and save money. it's a bit like buying a 4k tv and watching 1080p (or worse, 720p) content. the higher quality is wasted. If you are doing layouts for a magazine, where they will put your image on the top of the page an another image from a different source on the bottom of the page, will you ever want to use a higher gamut than sRGB. Those two images need to match exactly! Imagine a Nikon advertisement with two different shades of yellow on two different pages. Nikon would have a fit and some ad agency would lose a contract... few people do layouts for magazines so that can be ignored, but for those who do, the magazine will specify exactly what they want. some might want srgb but not all of them do. If you print for hanging on the wall or to post images to the Internet, sRGB is perfect. If you set everything you have, from the camera to the editor and viewers, to sRGB you won't have a problem. only if you want substandard results. for those who print images, there is no reason whatsoever to dumb everything down to srgb because all but the ****tiest printers can beat srgb. this is even more noticeable with a modern dci-p3 display and a high end printer with 16 bit print drivers. That's the nub of my problem. Prints are the final destination of my best images and my Epson P800 can utilise better gamut than sRGB's. for those who post images, there's also no reason since browsers are colour managed and dci-p3 displays are rapidly becoming the standard. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: for those who print images, there is no reason whatsoever to dumb everything down to srgb because all but the ****tiest printers can beat srgb. this is even more noticeable with a modern dci-p3 display and a high end printer with 16 bit print drivers. That's the nub of my problem. Prints are the final destination of my best images and my Epson P800 can utilise better gamut than sRGB's. yep. |
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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:19:33 -0800 (PST), RichA
wrote: On Wednesday, 18 January 2017 03:17:37 UTC-5, Eric Stevens wrote: For the last several years I have relied on an (almost) matched pairs of Dell 2410 monitors - and now one has died. Not really surprising, considering it was +8 years old, but it was a bloody good monitor. I am now faced with the task of replacing it. I don't want to just replace it as it would amount to no more than installing 8 year old technology and I have been frantically beating around the bush trying to decide what to do. I am considering all kinds of options but I don't want to go into them now. One possibility which is raising sweat to my brow is the use of a high gamut monitor such as the Dell Ultrasharp 25 UP2516D http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-...or-accessories or http://tinyurl.com/hdpepts My reading on the subject suggests that monitors such as this can have problems with non-color-managed applications such as many that can be found on the Internet and can also create problems when editing images in all kinds of software. I would like to know if anyone has had any experience with such monitors and what their comments may be. Should I consider them and, if so, with what caveats in mind? -- Regards, Eric Stevens Too bad you can't wait. In less than six months, if they haven't already, they'll be blowing out these non-4K monitors for a song. Needs must. My number 1 monitot (8 years old) blew up three days ago. As things stand at the moment there seem to be a variety of problems using 4k monitors for photo editing. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
On 1/18/2017 4:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Floyd L. Davidson wrote: The problem is not the monitor's wide gamut, it's what you set your software to use! Do yourself a favor and ignore everything on this topic except for one sentence: "Set everything to sRGB." That will save no end of problems, and you won't lose a thing either. that is the worst advice *ever*. setting everything to srgb when one has a wide gamut display is stupid. might as well just buy a cheap srgb display and save money. it's a bit like buying a 4k tv and watching 1080p (or worse, 720p) content. the higher quality is wasted. If you are doing layouts for a magazine, where they will put your image on the top of the page an another image from a different source on the bottom of the page, will you ever want to use a higher gamut than sRGB. Those two images need to match exactly! Imagine a Nikon advertisement with two different shades of yellow on two different pages. Nikon would have a fit and some ad agency would lose a contract... few people do layouts for magazines so that can be ignored, but for those who do, the magazine will specify exactly what they want. some might want srgb but not all of them do. So you actually know what the OP does. If you print for hanging on the wall or to post images to the Internet, sRGB is perfect. If you set everything you have, from the camera to the editor and viewers, to sRGB you won't have a problem. only if you want substandard results. So says the individual who has proven that his images all have excellent tonal ranges. for those who print images, there is no reason whatsoever to dumb everything down to srgb because all but the ****tiest printers can beat srgb. this is even more noticeable with a modern dci-p3 display and a high end printer with 16 bit print drivers. for those who post images, there's also no reason since browsers are colour managed and dci-p3 displays are rapidly becoming the standard. -- PeterN |
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On 1/19/2017 3:44 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:19:33 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: On Wednesday, 18 January 2017 03:17:37 UTC-5, Eric Stevens wrote: For the last several years I have relied on an (almost) matched pairs of Dell 2410 monitors - and now one has died. Not really surprising, considering it was +8 years old, but it was a bloody good monitor. I am now faced with the task of replacing it. I don't want to just replace it as it would amount to no more than installing 8 year old technology and I have been frantically beating around the bush trying to decide what to do. I am considering all kinds of options but I don't want to go into them now. One possibility which is raising sweat to my brow is the use of a high gamut monitor such as the Dell Ultrasharp 25 UP2516D http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-...or-accessories or http://tinyurl.com/hdpepts My reading on the subject suggests that monitors such as this can have problems with non-color-managed applications such as many that can be found on the Internet and can also create problems when editing images in all kinds of software. I would like to know if anyone has had any experience with such monitors and what their comments may be. Should I consider them and, if so, with what caveats in mind? -- Regards, Eric Stevens Too bad you can't wait. In less than six months, if they haven't already, they'll be blowing out these non-4K monitors for a song. Needs must. My number 1 monitot (8 years old) blew up three days ago. As things stand at the moment there seem to be a variety of problems using 4k monitors for photo editing. FWIW, when my monitor crapped out I was torn between the ASUS and the NEC. I played with both, and when color corrected, with proper profiles, the prints were indistinguishable using Costco for my prints. I had the same result when replicated the test on an Epson P880 so I went for the much lower priced ASUS, which has satisfied my needs. Also the sizing for the digital competitions I enter make a wider gamut screen a waste of money. When that changes I will get a new monitor for images and keep the one I have for toolbars and pallets. I am simply stating the reasons for my decision. YMMV -- PeterN |
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Does anyone have experience of High Gamut monitors?
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: As things stand at the moment there seem to be a variety of problems using 4k monitors for photo editing. no there aren't, nor are there problems with 5k displays. |
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