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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:00:57 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: the battery is rated at 5 years. But Apple are prepared to warrant it for only one year. After that the owner has to pay for it. learn about oem products. Nevertheless, Apple is prepared to put their money behind the battery for only one year. they warrant the computer for a year. there isn't a separate warranty for each individual part. same thing with lenovo or anyone else. So, as I said, Apple is prepared to put their money behind the battery for only one year. they do exactly what every other pc maker does. name a pc maker that warrants each individual component separately. there you go criticizing apple for doing exactly what everyone else does. That's a straw man argument of your own creation. Nobody has suggested warranting all the parts. It's only the warranty on the battery which is the subject of discussion. it's not a straw man. the entire computer carries a warranty, not each individual part. it's no different than any other company. the same battery technology is used in lenovo and dell and sony and others and they don't offer a warranty beyond the computer itself either. doesn't lenovo stand behind its batteries? This is nonsense. You ask me "name a pc maker that warrants each individual component separately" and when I point that nobody has suggested that should be the case you respond with a question about Lenovo standing behind its batteries. Your thoughts are like fireworks, banging and cracking all over the place but with no coherent pattern. for example, hard drives sold retail come with 1-3 year warranties, sometimes 5 years. however, for the hard drive in a computer, you get the warranty of the computer, which is normally 1 year. you don't get 5 years on the drive and 1 year on the computer. if you contact seagate or western digital, they'll say call lenovo, apple, dell, etc. as far as they're concerned, it's not their drive. I've bought both Seagate and Western Digital HDDs with an ex-factory warranty of 3 years. ok so you don't understand oem either. OEM is not a concern of the retail buyer. it is when it comes to a repair. the warranty is through the computer maker, not the drive maker. users wonder why a retail drive has a 3 or even 5 year warranty but the exact same drive inside their computer is just 1 year, and they don't usually like the explanation. The warranty given by the computer maker has nothing to do with the warranty given by the component manufacturer. go tell customers that. customers see the same drive on the shelf in the store and inside their computer, yet they have different warranties. Very few customers know what's inside their computer. Fewer still know about individual component warrantys. These geeks are probably a subset of those who want to change their own batteries. their computer has a 1 year warranty and the drive failed at 2 years, while the *same* drive at their local store has a 5 year warranty. when you tell them oem has nothing to do with any warranty and they are out of luck, they get mad. So? if the drive can have a 5 year warranty in the store why can't the drive in the computer have the same? Because it's part of the terms of the deal. But what's this got to do with battery life? or is lenovo and others using rejects, the ones that could never last 5 years? shouldn't that be something users should know in advance? that lenovo is using second rate parts and not standing behind them?? By all means. Why don't you write an article about it? Then we can all stand round and watch you get sued. I doubt if anyone is going to sue iFixit for pointing out how hard it is to change the battery in the new Apple Probook. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:01:02 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: So why are you so reluctant to actually say there is no Apple warranty for the battery beyond one year? There is. AppleCare can be extended to three years. The warranty is for the entire product, not just one part of it. That's not a warranty. It's the purchaser buying insurance. the 1 year warranty is part of the original price. and it's the same with any other company. And that's true of the extended warranty which is paid for by the customer. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 28 Oct 2013 23:21:41 GMT, Sandman wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote: Nevertheless, Apple is prepared to put their money behind the battery for only one year. Why is this a problem for you? Apple will gladly sell you an extended warranty for three years if you feel you want more security. So you are saying that Apple is happy to put the purchaser's money behind the battery for the next two years, but not their own money. I am saying that Macs get the industry-standard one-year warranty. Apple stands behind "the battery" in the same amount as every other vendor out there. Please don't duck out. The question is about whose money is at risk in the extended warranties. Hint: it's not Apple's. Apple has extended warranties, yes. They are insurance policies and almost certainly you will find they are not directly underwritten by Apple. Apple will clip the ticket on the way through, however. Huh? Are you saying that Apple doesn't "sign" for AppleCare? What point is it that you're trying to make here? I'm saying that Apple doesn't have any of their own money at risk with extended warranties and that they probably make a margin on their sale. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:00:58 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: They are insurance policies and almost certainly you will find they are not directly underwritten by Apple. Apple will clip the ticket on the way through, however. applecare is through apple. I expected that to be the case. other extended warranties are not, such as what is offered by best buy or some credit cards, and they don't offer as hassle-free coverage either. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , Tony Cooper wrote:
Tony working hard to be the group's largest idiot. When nospam posts, he posts dozens of posts a day and interleaves his comments in the body which results in many lines per post. When I read today, some idiotic comment, I'm not about to trawl back through three days of his posts to figure out what he *really" meant. Which is fine, if you were ok by just being mistaken and just accepting his clarifiaction. But that's not the way you work. You jump on some detail and won't let go how much proof one puts forward to prove that you - AGAIN - misinterpreted something written in simple English. I'm retired, and have some time, but I don't have *that* much time. It takes no times to be an idiot, it takes some time to make sure you're not. IT is clear what choice you made. It's up to him to make each post self-sufficient and one that clearly presents his position. Hahaha! It was his mistake all along that you misinterpreted and spent 20 posts insisting that your interpretation superceded his clarifications :-D Same with you. If you make another blunder that might have been understandable if I read something you wrote a 1,000 lines ago, I'm not going to sort through your "onslaught" of juvenile hectoring to figure out what you meant. I don't think you have the capacity to "figure out" what anyone means, you'll continue to resort to your own imagination to invent an argument where there was noen before you showed up. I will sometimes refer to a previous post that's still visible in the pane that contradicts something said, but y'all aren't writing anything particularly important or memorable. Mostly, it's re-hashing indefensible arguments. Haha, keep telling yourself that, Andreas. Certain things nospam's come up with are memorable, though. Like his famous market share survey technique. That's a classic not easily forgotten. Equally classic is his definition of "expensive". You may be willing to backtrack through old posts to ascertain meaning of current posts, but small minds are easily entertained. I would make sure to do so if I was insisting on someone else meaning something he is claiming he didn't mean. As it is, I don't go around claiming that you meant something if you have clarified what you meant. That's your method of "interaction". -- Sandman[.net] |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: Tony working hard to be the group's largest idiot. When nospam posts, he posts dozens of posts a day and interleaves his comments in the body which results in many lines per post. When I read today, some idiotic comment, I'm not about to trawl back through three days of his posts to figure out what he *really" meant. I'm retired, and have some time, but I don't have *that* much time. if you comprehend it properly the first time, you won't need to go back, and most of these threads will be shorter. It's up to him to make each post self-sufficient and one that clearly presents his position. i do, but i can't help when people misunderstand. and if you don't understand something, ask to clarify, don't fabricate your own meaning so you can argue. Certain things nospam's come up with are memorable, though. Like his famous market share survey technique. That's a classic not easily forgotten. Equally classic is his definition of "expensive". i'm not the first person to observe real world usage. this is a very old and longstanding technique. not my fault if you never heard of it. try learning for something for a change. also, my definition of expensive is the same as everyone elses. you are once again, making up stuff. it's your misinterpretation (often intentional, because nobody can be that stupid) that is 'classic'. |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , Tony Cooper
wrote: Have you tired yet of defending the indefensible? nothing indefensible about it. you misunderstood and refuse to admit your mistake. i said people replace their computer before the battery fails. that doesn't mean the computer failed when they replaced it, only that they wanted a new computer, which could be for any of a many, many different reasons. Why are you lying? In the post I was referring to you said "lasts longer". You didn't say what you claim have said above. yes i most certainly did say what i claim. give it up. you aren't doing yourself any favours trying to avoid admitting you didn't understand anything. |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 10/29/2013 4:25 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: you do sleep, don't you? do you actually use a laptop for 15 hours non-stop?? no, you don't. nor do you use it while away from a power source for that long. That is exactly my point. the battery time on my ThinkPad is sufficient. so this is a non-issue. Then why did you object when the OP pointed to an article stating that the batteries are glued. because it was a one sided article with an agenda. the real question is since it's a non-issue, why post it and why even write it in the first place? However, I have been known to do a twenty-four, to meet a deadline. 24 hours, entirely on battery power?? are you doing this in the middle of a forest, where there is no power outlet? You are twisting. My comment was purely in response to your statement about the need for sleep. You snipped the parts that put my comments in proper context. no twisting at all. you keep changing things and i can't keep up. You snipped and took away all context. Do try to keep up. -- PeterN |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 10/29/2013 4:26 PM, Sandman wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: Tony working hard to be the group's largest idiot. With you around it's an impossible goal. Troll #3 joins the race to the bottom, while not trying to improve his photography. Crawl back under your bridge. -- PeterN |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 10/29/2013 4:27 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: Do you have inside information about Apple, that most of us don't. just wondering how you know so much about Apple's business strategy. i pay attention to the tech industry, which includes apple. you don't, so you don't know what they do or why. Does that mean all tech companies are the same? -- PeterN |
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