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Old June 4th 13, 12:19 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default Adobe - Photoshop and their "Subscriptions"

I have been a Photoshop user since the very first release of the
software for the PC way back in what, 1990? 1994?? Both personal and
at all of the screenprinting companies I managed over the years and
right up to my own personal photography work. I looked at GIMP once,
Same with COREL..... and a few other wannabe's.

Through all the years I've been a loyal Adobe customer and never
really considered anything else as the Photoshop products always did
well for me.

Over the weekend I purchased a Nikon D3200 camera. This camera uses
NEF-Compressed RAW format. I use Photoshop CS3 mostly out of laziness
in updating. Also though there is the cost with seeming annual
upgrades. CS3 did everything I need it to do so if it ain't broken
don't fix it.

My research and updating of CS3 let to naught as those of you in the
"know" will nod your heads to. So I figured I would call Adobe and
learn what the cost would be to upgrade.

Imagine my surprise when I learned of Adobe's current Subscription
demands to have the privilege of using their products.

I understand some Harvard MBA's brilliant idea in try to develop a
"locked in" customer base. I mean isn't that what every business
wants? A SECURE market share! I understand some Fisk Economics PhD
coming up with the idea that a steady flow of cash would be far easier
to manage than the normal ebb and flow of cash trending. It cuts into
your sailing and golf time to actually have to MANAGE your cash flow
doesn't it?

So now I am faced now with being a long time and loyal customer of yet
another economic STEAMROLLER in the form of a massive corporation that
begs for my hard earned $$$ without wanting to work as hard at
customer SERVICE as I must in MY business.

This locked in customer base, whether it is a 2 year cell phone
CONTRACT or an ongoing subscription for the privilege of using Adobe's
products is, in my humble Opinion complete and utter bull****.

Let's try this concept: Develop a Superior Product. Sell it at a fair
market price by BUILDING VALUE in your product. THEN secure your
market share through EXEMPLARY customer service and support! THAT is
how you build a LOYAL customer base and market share!

In short I would like all these overpaid MBA's to go a little OLD
SCHOOL and learn what CUSTOMER SATISFACTION is all about and what
satisfied customers mean to the health of a major company. Didn't they
teach you in your MBA classes that Loyal customers grow from HAPPY and
PLEASED buyers that perceive VALUE form the spending of their hard
earned dollars on your products!

That's not good enough for the Marketing Gestapo today though. They
know that the state of customer service in America today is pathetic!
They KNOW they cannot compete toe to toe AND **** off their clientele
with crappy service! So, they figure a captive clientele is better.

No It's not! Now I find alternatives to Photoshop. When I leave a
company with my loyalty crapped on...I will never go back.

This is going to hurt Adobe badly...... Oh and the ONLY people diving
feet first into this CLOUD bull**** like Adobe and every other company
is touting so heavily.......is the WORST idea EVER. You might as well
give your sensitive information to the Taliban!

Farewell Adobe...... It's been nice but I'm done with y'all!
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Old June 4th 13, 01:07 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
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I have been a Photoshop user since the very first release of the
software for the PC way back in what, 1990? 1994?? Both personal and
at all of the screenprinting companies I managed over the years and
right up to my own personal photography work. I looked at GIMP once,
Same with COREL..... and a few other wannabe's.

Through all the years I've been a loyal Adobe customer and never
really considered anything else as the Photoshop products always did
well for me.

Over the weekend I purchased a Nikon D3200 camera. This camera uses
NEF-Compressed RAW format. I use Photoshop CS3 mostly out of laziness
in updating. Also though there is the cost with seeming annual
upgrades. CS3 did everything I need it to do so if it ain't broken
don't fix it.


if cs3 was doing everything you needed all this time, then you don't
need to update to cs6 or creative cloud.

photoshop elements for $60 is all you need.

rest of your rant snipped.
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Old June 4th 13, 01:30 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2013-06-03 16:19:27 -0700, said:

I have been a Photoshop user since the very first release of the
software for the PC way back in what, 1990? 1994?? Both personal and
at all of the screenprinting companies I managed over the years and
right up to my own personal photography work. I looked at GIMP once,
Same with COREL..... and a few other wannabe's.

Through all the years I've been a loyal Adobe customer and never
really considered anything else as the Photoshop products always did
well for me.

Over the weekend I purchased a Nikon D3200 camera. This camera uses
NEF-Compressed RAW format. I use Photoshop CS3 mostly out of laziness
in updating. Also though there is the cost with seeming annual
upgrades. CS3 did everything I need it to do so if it ain't broken
don't fix it.

My research and updating of CS3 let to naught as those of you in the
"know" will nod your heads to. So I figured I would call Adobe and
learn what the cost would be to upgrade.

Imagine my surprise when I learned of Adobe's current Subscription
demands to have the privilege of using their products.


We feel your pain. :-(
This has been discussed in the photo NGs at some length, and many of us
here have discussed, and weighed the pro & cons of the Adobe "Creative
Cloud" (CC). Many of us have decided that CS6 is the end of the Adobe
upgrade treadmill. Few of us here are pro-photographers, or graphic
artists/designers and we have chosen to stick with CS5 or CS6 and go no
further.

Personally, over the years I have paid for PS7, PS-CS, then up graded
to CS2, CS3, CS4, CS5, & finally CS6. I use Lightroom 4 (LR4)+CS6 in my
workflow.

The Adobe upgrade path changed several years ago and for you an upgrade
from CS3 to CS5 dead-ended some time ago. You are correct the only
purchasable upgrade you could make today is CS5 to CS6. So, your
purchase options are to pay $699 to Adobe for the last of their
inventory, or $650 via Amazon for the last of their inventory. None of
those are appealing.

Now that you have a new camera which is not supported by ACR in your
CS3, you have several options:
1: Search out other available software options.

2: Stick with CS3 and add Lightroom 4 , currently available for $97.99
from Amazon. This will give you all you need for cataloging and
processing of current RAW files, and you will still be able to use CS3.
(this is the solution I recommend)
There are some advantages to this as you would be using the 2012 RAW
process engine, which is a vast improvement over the 2003 version in
CS3.

3: Download the current version of the free DNR convertor from Adobe,
and continue with CS3.

....or 4: Take a deep breath and consider the actual annual cost of the
subscription model for single module rental of Photoshop compared to
$699 purchase or $199 upgrade. The initial offering of $10/month for a
single module for the first year, $120/year vs $199 for an upgrade, or
$120/year vs $699 for a purchase of CS6. After the initial offering the
single module rental goes to $20/month or $240/year and a permanent
upgrade path. You still get to have two installations desktop/laptop.
If I was not a retired old fart, I might well consider the CC
subscription route.

Le Snip

Farewell Adobe...... It's been nice but I'm done with y'all!



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Savageduck

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Old June 4th 13, 01:30 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

Over the weekend I purchased a Nikon D3200 camera. This camera uses
NEF-Compressed RAW format. I use Photoshop CS3 mostly out of laziness
in updating. Also though there is the cost with seeming annual
upgrades. CS3 did everything I need it to do so if it ain't broken
don't fix it.


I didn't read most of your rant but here's what you do:

1. Get the free Adobe DNGConverter to convert your raw files to DNG.

2. Keep using CS3 as before.


that also works.
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Old June 4th 13, 01:34 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2013-06-03 17:30:13 -0700, Savageduck said:

On 2013-06-03 16:19:27 -0700, said:

I have been a Photoshop user since the very first release of the
software for the PC way back in what, 1990? 1994?? Both personal and
at all of the screenprinting companies I managed over the years and
right up to my own personal photography work. I looked at GIMP once,
Same with COREL..... and a few other wannabe's.

Through all the years I've been a loyal Adobe customer and never
really considered anything else as the Photoshop products always did
well for me.

Over the weekend I purchased a Nikon D3200 camera. This camera uses
NEF-Compressed RAW format. I use Photoshop CS3 mostly out of laziness
in updating. Also though there is the cost with seeming annual
upgrades. CS3 did everything I need it to do so if it ain't broken
don't fix it.

My research and updating of CS3 let to naught as those of you in the
"know" will nod your heads to. So I figured I would call Adobe and
learn what the cost would be to upgrade.

Imagine my surprise when I learned of Adobe's current Subscription
demands to have the privilege of using their products.


We feel your pain. :-(
This has been discussed in the photo NGs at some length, and many of us
here have discussed, and weighed the pro & cons of the Adobe "Creative
Cloud" (CC). Many of us have decided that CS6 is the end of the Adobe
upgrade treadmill. Few of us here are pro-photographers, or graphic
artists/designers and we have chosen to stick with CS5 or CS6 and go no
further.

Personally, over the years I have paid for PS7, PS-CS, then up graded
to CS2, CS3, CS4, CS5, & finally CS6. I use Lightroom 4 (LR4)+CS6 in my
workflow.

The Adobe upgrade path changed several years ago and for you an upgrade
from CS3 to CS5 dead-ended some time ago. You are correct the only
purchasable upgrade you could make today is CS5 to CS6. So, your
purchase options are to pay $699 to Adobe for the last of their
inventory, or $650 via Amazon for the last of their inventory. None of
those are appealing.

Now that you have a new camera which is not supported by ACR in your
CS3, you have several options:
1: Search out other available software options.

2: Stick with CS3 and add Lightroom 4 , currently available for $97.99
from Amazon. This will give you all you need for cataloging and
processing of current RAW files, and you will still be able to use CS3.
(this is the solution I recommend)
There are some advantages to this as you would be using the 2012 RAW
process engine, which is a vast improvement over the 2003 version in
CS3.

3: Download the current version of the free DNR convertor from Adobe,
and continue with CS3.


....er DNG Converter.

...or 4: Take a deep breath and consider the actual annual cost of the
subscription model for single module rental of Photoshop compared to
$699 purchase or $199 upgrade. The initial offering of $10/month for a
single module for the first year, $120/year vs $199 for an upgrade, or
$120/year vs $699 for a purchase of CS6. After the initial offering the
single module rental goes to $20/month or $240/year and a permanent
upgrade path. You still get to have two installations desktop/laptop.
If I was not a retired old fart, I might well consider the CC
subscription route.

Le Snip

Farewell Adobe...... It's been nice but I'm done with y'all!



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Regards,

Savageduck

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Old June 4th 13, 04:52 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2013-06-04 08:29:05 -0700, philo* said:

On 06/03/2013 06:19 PM, wrote:
I have been a Photoshop user since the very first release of the
software for the PC way back in what, 1990? 1994?? Both personal and
at all of the screenprinting companies I managed over the years and
right up to my own personal photography work. I looked at GIMP once,
Same with COREL..... and a few other wannabe's.



snipped for brevity


Since I do minimal processing , GIMP is way more than I need...however
most of my professional level friends do use Photoshop and it sure can
get pricey to upgrade. Last time I heard, if it's more than one level
you have to start new.

Many of the folks are just staying with CS-2 and are saying they see
nothing in the newer versions they really need.


The issue comes for owners of new cameras who shoot RAW. They do not
have the ACR support for their new cameras in the dated version of ACR
in CS2, or in the OP's case CS3.

For Mac users with the move from PPC Macs to Intel there are even fewer
options, as the Intel Macs will not run CS2, unless in a Windows
partition.

The various options for the OP to deal with the NEF files from his new
DSLR were discussed further back in this thread.

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Savageduck

 




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