If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
Palestinians Under Attack
In message , Stephen Bishop
writes On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:52:54 +0000, Chris H wrote: against terrorist entities like Palestians whether it is the old PLO or the modern Hamas. Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. With just that one statement you've laid down your cards. It is a properly elected authority in Gaza. Their election is more solid than the last one GWB engineered. Are you saying, then, that Hamas is not responsible for the constant rocket attacks into civilian areas of Israel? Their small response killing 13 was in response to the Israelis killing 900 civilians including 400 women and children Whilst there is no independent evidence of Hamas using civilian shields I note that several independent international (and non-islamic/arab) agencies all have documented evidence of the IDF using civilian human shields, shelling medical and UN posts and deliberately killing civilians. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
Palestinians Under Attack
In message , Stephen Bishop
writes On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:57:50 +0000, Chris H wrote: In message , Stephen Bishop writes On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:25:35 +0000, Chris H wrote: Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on Palestinian civilians by the Israelis As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not deliberately target civilians. Period. With lines line that no one will take anything you say seriously You mean like your silly Waffen SS line that you keep repeating? No others have said the same including many international agencies and I note the Israeli cabinet have woken up to the fact that many of them are now in line for international war crimes trials and when Bush goes the US will not protect them You have no evidence to support that but there is much evidence to the contrary from many independent sources. Several filmed by TV crews. TV crews and "independent sources" have a habit of filming and reporting only what they want you to see. I see... as the US often claims ALL the worlds press ant media (except Fox News ) are in a concerted Anti- Israeli conspiracy... Interestingly no one else seems to think this. Actually apart from the several documented and irrefutable incidents of the IDF shooing at civilians (and specifically children) and clearly UN targets the IDf does not really care one way or the other who is in the area if they want to fire at a suspected target. I would think that is only because the Hamas militants don't care who gets in the way when they hide behind civilians. What do you expect to happen when they launch rockets from schools and store weapons in mosques? That Israel will just allow that to keep happening? Now none of that have even had any proof or evidence to back it up. However over the last 2 weeks *SEVERAL* separate and highly respected international organisations have provided documentary and irrefutable evidence that the IDF does use civilian human shields including woman and children, has targeted civilians. (I have seen that myself) and shelled medical and UN posts. Incidentally I note the whole of the UN disagrees with you .... except the US who also have no problem with shooting civilians. That's a completely irrational and stupid statement. It is factual and been proved many times. Much like the Waffen SS did for the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto No, nothing if the sort. The Nazis' goal was to rid the world of Jews. Israel's purpose in bottling up Gaza is simply to keep as many suicide bombers as possible behind locked doors. CRAP. The Israelis can say what they like it is what they do that counts. They are behaving like the Waffen SS Hardly. Just look at the comparisons to the Warsaw Ghetto.. Though youi will not be able to do that as it require looking at reality. SO Genocide is OK when you steal land and kill civilians. You're making the statement that genocide is fact when it is nonsense. Not according to the UN, Red Cross (not the Red Crescent who you would say are biased) and Amnesty international SO you don't expect the Palestinians to protect themselves as best they can from the IDF mimicking the Waffen SS? Lobbing a constant barrage of rockets at civilian population centers has nothing to do with self protection. Quite so. So Israel should stop and the Hamas would not need to defend itself wit the few rockets it has,. Hamas was shooting those rockets long before the IDF began their military action in Gaza. This is not true... I suggest you start again with the Basics. Hamas is a relatively new organisation that grew out of one of the other IDF killing sprees. They have been targeting civilian areas, not Israeli military targets. You're a fool if you actually believe they are "defending themselves" by shooting rockets into populated civilian areas. Well for every rocket Hamas fires the IDF fires 100 Precision guided munitions (which explains why for 13 dead Israelis there are over 400 Palestinian women and children dead. ) Hamas are firing in self defence against Israeli aggression I wonder how the "arab street" would react if Israel were launching thousands of low-tech missiles on an ongoing basis into Gaza. Ah, I see. Actually they launch hundreds of thousands of hi-tech missiles into Gaza... about 100 for every one the Palestinians fire in response. Please be specific, how would you respond if your neighbor were constantly shooting bullets at your house and constantly denied your right to exist and nobody else would deal with the situation? I would respond exactly as Hamas has done with the weapons at hand. Clearly Isreal has no problem with genocide and killing civilians so I would not see any problem with firing back in similar manner. Which is what Hamas is doing as it's only defence against genocide. Except it is Israel who has been doing the responding to the constant barrage of rockets, not the other way around. Not at all the IDF was murdering civilians long before Hamas turned up It is the IDF and Israelis who are murdering civilians. That's the propaganda. You keep swallowing it. Sorry... As a military person who has been to the ME and members of my family (who are all WASP) who have been to Israel I have seen the reality. Also the film from independent news teams does not lie or is EVERY non-Israeli /US in the world that reports from Isreal lying and in a conspiracy? Yes. There are people with axes to grind all over. The bottom line is that there will be no peace until the Muslims in that part of the world grant Israel the right to exist and stop the random terrorist attacks against civilians. Egypt and Israel negotiated peace and it has held. The other countries involved need to follow suit and then the Palestinian question can be addressed in a peaceful way. No the other hand as Israel is in breach of more UN resolutions and most of its leaders are likely to be on war crimes trials and it has murdered many thousands of civilians and Israel has from day one committed war crimes lets remove Israel and ship them to somewhere like Arizona where they and the US can continue their un-holy alliance. Israel lost long ago any moral high ground or support from the rest of the world though their own actions. , -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
Palestinians Under Attack
On 1/13/09 3:00 AM, in article , "Ray Fischer" wrote: Stephen Bishop wrote: On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:25:35 +0000, Chris H wrote: In message , writes On Jan 8, 4:50*pm, wrote: Palestinians Under Attack ÊÚÑÖ ÇáÔÚÈ Çá*áÓØ*ä* ** ÛÒå áÙáã Ñå*È Úáì Ç*Ï* ÇáfiæÇÊ ÇáÇÓÑÇÆ*á*å Palestinians are exposed for horrible unfairness at the hands of Israeli forces. LOL!! So how are those thousands of rocket attacks aimed at Israeli civilians working out? Nothing like as effective and the tens of thousands of strikes on Palestinian civilians by the Israelis As much as you seem to want to believe otherwise, Israel does not deliberately target civilians. Period. Just like dropping a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima didn't deliberately target civilians. Only a brain-dead waste of air like yourself, Fish-Rot, could be dumb enough to make an analogy like that, comparing a mortar to an atomic bomb. What an absolute dumbass... |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
Palestinians Under Attack
Stephen Bishop added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ... Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. With just that one statement you've laid down your cards. Are you saying, then, that Hamas is not responsible for the constant rocket attacks into civilian areas of Israel? Stephen, I'm not Jewish but then again I am hardly anti-Zionist. It has LONG struck me as both unfair and extremely anti-Semetic that the entire world is so against Jews and their right to a homeland. Yes, Hamas IS a terrorist organization just like a significant portion of the PLO was. It is also a militant group within a more moderate government in Palestine and that controlling the Arab side of Gaza. Since this is all true, what do you think the real problem is here? I don't like war, ANY war. There are SOME that are both necessary and justified, such as WWII, and MANY which are neither, such as Korea, Viet Nam, most likely Iraq, and MANY more minor incursions. But, wrt Israel and the Palestians - not to mention many other Arab countries in the Middle East - there has been a continual struggle since UN Partitioning the year I was born in 1947. Talking about it doesn't help, actually minor military action doesn't help much either. I give the Israelis a LOT of credit for taking the view that they simply won't take agression or any other form of **** from ANYBODY and will take decisive action to defend themselves from same. What I do NOT understand is WHY the UN - presumably representing ALL nations - continues to advocate peace keepers, cease fires, and peace talks when what it TAKES is for the UN to do something about the anti-Zionists. Can't do that? I don't believe it for a minute. Don't want to do that? I completely believe that. So, considering that the US and it's major allies of convenience can't or won't take direct action to help the Israelis despite MANY statements of support, I also do NOT understand why WE just don't STFU and get out of the way. -- HP, aka Jerry "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity!" - Hanlon's Razor |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
Palestinians Under Attack
Chris H added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. With just that one statement you've laid down your cards. It is a properly elected authority in Gaza. Their election is more solid than the last one GWB engineered. What difference does it make if Hamas is or is not a properly elected authority? First, YOUR country has NO business criticizing MY country in this. Fix it yourselves if you think you can. What IS important is that elected or not, Hamas most clearly is a terrorist/militant group that is bent on Israel's destruction. I have great fear about why my new president-elect Hussein Obama will really do. A number of his pals now in positions of authority such as his Chief of Staff designate Rahm Emanual are PLO members. So, does Obama help Israel or does he follow the advice of his terrorist pals? Methinketh he will undo all the safeguards President Bush put into place to keep American AND Israel safe. I think that Obama will kiss the ass of every petty dicatator, terrorist, militant group on the planet in some vain hope that his own brand of kindler, gentler approach wiil work. Well, it won't, it will make things WORSE. The ONLY think that rogue nations or groups understand is violence. Kill the *******s in the most expedicious manner possible, preferably as violently and viciously as possible. It sends the most powerful message possible that WE and our friends the Israelis won't take **** from anybody. And, YOUR country needs to get off it's ass and take it's place as a key member of the international community and take decisive action to protect itself and it's friends, instead of sitting on the sidelines. Are you saying, then, that Hamas is not responsible for the constant rocket attacks into civilian areas of Israel? Their small response killing 13 was in response to the Israelis killing 900 civilians including 400 women and children Get some facts, Chris. In just the last year alone, Hamas has lobbed OVER 3,000 missiles at Israel, killing hundreds of civilians for NO good reason except that they hate Jews. Whilst there is no independent evidence of Hamas using civilian shields I note that several independent international (and non-islamic/arab) agencies all have documented evidence of the IDF using civilian human shields, shelling medical and UN posts and deliberately killing civilians. Hamas needs to understand that if they attack Israel they WILL be attacked in retaliation 10-fold. Again, instead of pontificating, your country should HELP. And, YOU should STOP critizing my country and my president. You know nothing about us and nothing about the issues at hand. -- HP, aka Jerry "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity!" - Hanlon's Razor |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
Palestinians Under Attack
In message , HEMI - Powered
writes Chris H added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. With just that one statement you've laid down your cards. It is a properly elected authority in Gaza. Their election is more solid than the last one GWB engineered. What difference does it make if Hamas is or is not a properly elected authority? Israel is attacking a legally elected government in it's own territory,. Sounds like an act of war... no wonder they are fighting back First, YOUR country has NO business criticizing MY country in this. The second your country steps outside it's own territory it is fair game Fix it yourselves if you think you can. OK. Then but out whilst we do. What IS important is that elected or not, Hamas most clearly is a terrorist/militant group No it is MOST CLEARLY the elected representative of the people fighting an aggressor trying to kill it's citizens, that is bent on Israel's destruction. Hardly with the few rockets it is using to stave off the Israeli onslaught and massacre of civilians and children. I have great fear about why my new president-elect Hussein Obama will really do. A number of his pals now in positions of authority such as his Chief of Staff designate Rahm Emanual are PLO members. Can you substantiate that? So, does Obama help Israel or does he follow the advice of his terrorist pals? You mean the rest of the world that does not like regimes like Pol-Pot, Saddam and Israel ? If you look at the full UN security council they ALL voted against Israel bar the US Methinketh he will undo all the safeguards President Bush put into place to keep American AND Israel safe. The two are not connected. IT is time to stop Israel murdering civilians. I think that Obama will kiss the ass of every petty dicatator, terrorist, militant group on the planet in some vain hope that his own brand of kindler, gentler approach wiil work. Well, it won't, it will make things WORSE. There is no hope for you. The ONLY think that rogue nations or groups understand is violence. Quite so. The prime rogue state on the planet is the USA.. Most of the world says this it is just that most Americans can't see outside their own state let alone outside the country. Kill the *******s in the most expedicious manner possible, preferably as violently and viciously as possible. Why? You seem to be a psychopath It sends the most powerful message possible that WE and our friends the Israelis won't take **** from anybody. You are about to and have little choice in the matter The worlds super powers will be telling you what to do. WAKE UP the US is no longer a super power. It is NOT the worlds policeman It does not have any moral high ground And, YOUR country needs to get off it's ass and take it's place as a key member of the international community and take decisive action to protect itself and it's friends, instead of sitting on the sidelines. It has. It has pulled the US nuts out of the fire recently but we just don't shout about it. Are you saying, then, that Hamas is not responsible for the constant rocket attacks into civilian areas of Israel? Their small response killing 13 was in response to the Israelis killing 900 civilians including 400 women and children Get some facts, Chris. In just the last year alone, Hamas has lobbed OVER 3,000 missiles at Israel, killing hundreds of civilians Not "hundreds" but about 10% of the number of Palestinian civilians killed but the IDF for NO good reason except that they hate Jews. They don't hate Jews... they are defending themselves against the IDF who has pushed them into a ghetto and is putting 100 times as much munitions into Gaza as they are able to retaliate with Whilst there is no independent evidence of Hamas using civilian shields I note that several independent international (and non-islamic/arab) agencies all have documented evidence of the IDF using civilian human shields, shelling medical and UN posts and deliberately killing civilians. Hamas needs to understand that if they attack Israel they WILL be attacked in retaliation 10-fold. That's exactly what happened when Hamas defend themselves against the Israeli onslaught.... You have to remember Hamas was created recently as something to combat the slaughter of Palestinian civilians Again, instead of pontificating, your country should HELP. I have advocated that. Full and immediate sanctions against Israel . Enforce a no fly zone over Israel And, YOU should STOP critizing my country and my president. The second he deploys troops outside the Us it IS my concern as it is with any rouge state. You know nothing about us Been to the US and worked there. and nothing about the issues at hand. Really come over to uk.current-event.terrorisum where I have had a 90% success rate on this very subject usually being able to accurately predict trends up to 3 years in advance. I do have military experience (and in the ME) speak Fasi and still have many connections If you look at our company events list http://www.phaedsys.com/news/index.html you will see that we are involved in the military sector and will be at http://www.counterterrorexpo.com/ next month... Your experience is? -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
Palestinians Under Attack
In message , HEMI - Powered
writes Stephen Bishop added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. With just that one statement you've laid down your cards. Are you saying, then, that Hamas is not responsible for the constant rocket attacks into civilian areas of Israel? Stephen, I'm not Jewish but then again I am hardly anti-Zionist. It has LONG struck me as both unfair and extremely anti-Semetic that the entire world is so against Jews and their right to a homeland. Why should a religious group take land from others? Should the Catholics have a homeland? Should the Moslems have a homeland? Yes, Hamas IS a terrorist organization just like a significant portion of the PLO was. Not at all Hamas is a legally elected and legitimate authority in Gaza. It is defending it's people from the onslaught and slaughter of civilians by Israel I don't like war, ANY war. There are SOME that are both necessary and justified, such as WWII, Yes though it could have been avoided. and MANY which are neither, such as Korea, Viet Nam, most likely Iraq, and MANY more minor incursions. I agree. But, wrt Israel and the Palestians - not to mention many other Arab countries in the Middle East - there has been a continual struggle since UN Partitioning the year I was born in 1947. Talking about it doesn't help, actually minor military action doesn't help much either. The partitioning was a mistake. Israel should never have been formed. Giving in to terrorists was a mistake and they should have been rooted out not given land, What I do NOT understand is WHY the UN - presumably representing ALL nations - continues to advocate peace keepers, cease fires, and peace talks when what it TAKES is for the UN to do something about the anti-Zionists. The anti-zionists are not the problem. The problem is the Israeli aggression from day one. Can't do that? I don't believe it for a minute. Don't want to do that? I completely believe that. So, considering that the US and it's major allies of convenience can't or won't take direct action to help the Israelis despite MANY statements of support, I also do NOT understand why WE just don't STFU and get out of the way. I agree and the US will do in 2009/10 if Israel continues it's current course it will be sooner rather than latter -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
Palestinians Under Attack
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:31:46 +0000, Chris H
wrote: In message , Stephen Bishop writes On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:52:54 +0000, Chris H wrote: against terrorist entities like Palestians whether it is the old PLO or the modern Hamas. Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. With just that one statement you've laid down your cards. It is a properly elected authority in Gaza. Their election is more solid than the last one GWB engineered. Oh, the GWB stolen election card? It would appear that not only are you a liberal, but a flaming one. Sorry, your opinion is just too skewed to be of any value. Come back when you have some real facts that aren't drenched in left wing emotion. Are you saying, then, that Hamas is not responsible for the constant rocket attacks into civilian areas of Israel? Their small response killing 13 was in response to the Israelis killing 900 civilians including 400 women and children Whilst there is no independent evidence of Hamas using civilian shields I note that several independent international (and non-islamic/arab) agencies all have documented evidence of the IDF using civilian human shields, shelling medical and UN posts and deliberately killing civilians. Answer one question yes or no, please: Does Israel have the right to exist? |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
Palestinians Under Attack
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:16:44 -0600, "HEMI - Powered"
wrote: And, YOUR country needs to get off it's ass and take it's place as a key member of the international community and take decisive action to protect itself and it's friends, instead of sitting on the sidelines. I'll add something from a Brit expatriot friend of mine who is disgusted at how coddling to Muslim extremism his home country has become. He said, "Great Britain used to rule the waves; now they wave the rules." So sad, but true. |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
Palestinians Under Attack
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:31:43 +0000, Chris H
wrote: In message , HEMI - Powered writes Chris H added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. With just that one statement you've laid down your cards. It is a properly elected authority in Gaza. Their election is more solid than the last one GWB engineered. What difference does it make if Hamas is or is not a properly elected authority? Israel is attacking a legally elected government in it's own territory,. Sounds like an act of war... no wonder they are fighting back Sorry, that doesn't hold water. Hamas fired first. Israel showed remarkable retraint until "enough is enough." First, YOUR country has NO business criticizing MY country in this. The second your country steps outside it's own territory it is fair game Fix it yourselves if you think you can. OK. Then but out whilst we do. What IS important is that elected or not, Hamas most clearly is a terrorist/militant group No it is MOST CLEARLY the elected representative of the people fighting an aggressor trying to kill it's citizens, that is bent on Israel's destruction. Hardly with the few rockets it is using to stave off the Israeli onslaught and massacre of civilians and children. I have great fear about why my new president-elect Hussein Obama will really do. A number of his pals now in positions of authority such as his Chief of Staff designate Rahm Emanual are PLO members. Can you substantiate that? So, does Obama help Israel or does he follow the advice of his terrorist pals? You mean the rest of the world that does not like regimes like Pol-Pot, Saddam and Israel ? If you look at the full UN security council they ALL voted against Israel bar the US Methinketh he will undo all the safeguards President Bush put into place to keep American AND Israel safe. The two are not connected. IT is time to stop Israel murdering civilians. I think that Obama will kiss the ass of every petty dicatator, terrorist, militant group on the planet in some vain hope that his own brand of kindler, gentler approach wiil work. Well, it won't, it will make things WORSE. There is no hope for you. The ONLY think that rogue nations or groups understand is violence. Quite so. The prime rogue state on the planet is the USA.. Most of the world says this it is just that most Americans can't see outside their own state let alone outside the country. Kill the *******s in the most expedicious manner possible, preferably as violently and viciously as possible. Why? You seem to be a psychopath It sends the most powerful message possible that WE and our friends the Israelis won't take **** from anybody. You are about to and have little choice in the matter The worlds super powers will be telling you what to do. WAKE UP the US is no longer a super power. It is NOT the worlds policeman It does not have any moral high ground And, YOUR country needs to get off it's ass and take it's place as a key member of the international community and take decisive action to protect itself and it's friends, instead of sitting on the sidelines. It has. It has pulled the US nuts out of the fire recently but we just don't shout about it. Are you saying, then, that Hamas is not responsible for the constant rocket attacks into civilian areas of Israel? Their small response killing 13 was in response to the Israelis killing 900 civilians including 400 women and children Get some facts, Chris. In just the last year alone, Hamas has lobbed OVER 3,000 missiles at Israel, killing hundreds of civilians Not "hundreds" but about 10% of the number of Palestinian civilians killed but the IDF for NO good reason except that they hate Jews. They don't hate Jews... they are defending themselves against the IDF who has pushed them into a ghetto and is putting 100 times as much munitions into Gaza as they are able to retaliate with Read the Koran sometime to see what the Muslims think about the Jews. Whilst there is no independent evidence of Hamas using civilian shields I note that several independent international (and non-islamic/arab) agencies all have documented evidence of the IDF using civilian human shields, shelling medical and UN posts and deliberately killing civilians. Hamas needs to understand that if they attack Israel they WILL be attacked in retaliation 10-fold. That's exactly what happened when Hamas defend themselves against the Israeli onslaught.... You have to remember Hamas was created recently as something to combat the slaughter of Palestinian civilians Again, instead of pontificating, your country should HELP. I have advocated that. Full and immediate sanctions against Israel . Enforce a no fly zone over Israel And, YOU should STOP critizing my country and my president. The second he deploys troops outside the Us it IS my concern as it is with any rouge state. You know nothing about us Been to the US and worked there. and nothing about the issues at hand. Really come over to uk.current-event.terrorisum where I have had a 90% success rate on this very subject usually being able to accurately predict trends up to 3 years in advance. I do have military experience (and in the ME) speak Fasi and still have many connections If you look at our company events list http://www.phaedsys.com/news/index.html you will see that we are involved in the military sector and will be at http://www.counterterrorexpo.com/ next month... Your experience is? Probably not with the same bias as yours. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Palestinians Under Attack | Bert Hyman | Digital Photography | 3 | January 10th 09 03:54 PM |
Palestinians Under Attack | SneakyP | Digital Photography | 0 | January 10th 09 12:47 AM |
ATTACK OF THE POLTERGEIST II | Eric Miller | Digital Photography | 3 | August 25th 07 06:04 PM |
Targeted attack | Tom Gardner | In The Darkroom | 6 | March 25th 04 01:53 AM |