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Old November 19th 04, 02:57 PM
Wolfgang Weisselberg
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Angus Manwaring wrote:

[Interpolation versus enlarging analogue film]
The difference is that you are enlarging true detail when you blow up a
film image.


Only up to the point where the negative still holds additional
information and where the gear used does not go past it's limits.
Blowing up a 35mm film to 4m x 6m should widely surpass said
limits.

Interpolation is an algorithm's best guess as to what the
adjacent pixels are likely to be,


True if you use a single image --- but (nitpick) if you have
multiple, near-identical images, you can do, ah, interesting stuff
http://auricle.dyndns.org/ALE/gallery-auto/
Note that that eats lots of CPU time for larger images.

-Wolfgang
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Old November 21st 04, 08:29 AM
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When someone has a pre-concieved opinion, is it possible to change it?
I think not Will, but for those poor individuals who use "that horrible
piece of coke bottle glass" I have some valuable news.

For you Will, well, you've already made up your mind so you might as well
not read any further.

The 18~55 kit lens which comes with a Digital Rebel and a 20D is not glass
but acrylic plastic. It has the distintion of being one of the lightest zoom
lenses Canon make. It is also a pretty good lens in it's own right and I
offer a few examples of it's resolution capabilities, it's chromatic
suppression and it's ability to shoot directly into the late afternoon sun
without flair. Oh, did I mention image taken with that lens on a 20D enlarge
to 2 feet by 3 feet without loss of detail? Well they do!
http://www.ryadia.com/

AJ.

All the irrelevant stuff which was below has been snipped out

"Will D." wrote in message
...

Now you're making assumptions that are "intrinsically" invalid. How
many people have bought a DReb kit with that horrible piece of coke
bottle glass, and thought they were doing just great? And inevitably
some of them will wind up here, trying to get answers to questions they
don't know enough to ask.

Will D.



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Old November 21st 04, 10:05 PM
Will D.
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On 2004-11-21, Alien Jones wrote:
When someone has a pre-concieved opinion, is it possible to change it?
I think not Will, but for those poor individuals who use "that horrible
piece of coke bottle glass" I have some valuable news.

For you Will, well, you've already made up your mind so you might as well
not read any further.

The 18~55 kit lens which comes with a Digital Rebel and a 20D is not glass
but acrylic plastic. It has the distintion of being one of the lightest zoom
lenses Canon make. It is also a pretty good lens in it's own right and I
offer a few examples of it's resolution capabilities, it's chromatic
suppression and it's ability to shoot directly into the late afternoon sun
without flair. Oh, did I mention image taken with that lens on a 20D enlarge
to 2 feet by 3 feet without loss of detail? Well they do!
http://www.ryadia.com/

AJ.

All the irrelevant stuff which was below has been snipped out


Well, I just had my lunch handed to me here, and I deserved every bite!

Apologies to those folk who have this apparently quite nice lens. It is
*not* the same kit lens that comes with the film bodies, which by all
accounts is coke bottle glass. Guess I should look to see if the brain
is in gear before engaging fingers, eh?

The 18-55 is the lens that cannot be mounted on a film camera, costs
around $100, and is generally considered a no-brainer as a purchase. As
I'm thinking about a 20D, I'll probably get one of those as well.

As far as the lens optics are concerned, Canon says they are made of
lead-free glass. Size and weight reduction are largely due to
downsizing the image circle requirements. Flare reduction caused by
enhanced lens coatings, especially on the rear elements, AIUI.

Also, there appears to be a new USM version of the lens now available.
I'll go for that. I've got only one EF lens that is not USM and that's
the 50mm f1.4. By comparison, it's not only noisy but slow. Given the
20D advertises a shutter lag of 65ms, the USM lens is probably the way
to go.

Will D.

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Old November 22nd 04, 02:29 AM
Alien Jones
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"Will D." wrote in message
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On 2004-11-21, Alien Jones wrote:
When someone has a pre-concieved opinion, is it possible to change it?
I think not Will, but for those poor individuals who use "that horrible
piece of coke bottle glass" I have some valuable news.

For you Will, well, you've already made up your mind so you might as

well
not read any further.

The 18~55 kit lens which comes with a Digital Rebel and a 20D is not

glass
but acrylic plastic. It has the distintion of being one of the lightest

zoom
lenses Canon make. It is also a pretty good lens in it's own right and I
offer a few examples of it's resolution capabilities, it's chromatic
suppression and it's ability to shoot directly into the late afternoon

sun
without flair. Oh, did I mention image taken with that lens on a 20D

enlarge
to 2 feet by 3 feet without loss of detail? Well they do!
http://www.ryadia.com/

AJ.

All the irrelevant stuff which was below has been snipped out


Well, I just had my lunch handed to me here, and I deserved every bite!

Apologies to those folk who have this apparently quite nice lens. It is
*not* the same kit lens that comes with the film bodies, which by all
accounts is coke bottle glass. Guess I should look to see if the brain
is in gear before engaging fingers, eh?

The 18-55 is the lens that cannot be mounted on a film camera, costs
around $100, and is generally considered a no-brainer as a purchase. As
I'm thinking about a 20D, I'll probably get one of those as well.

As far as the lens optics are concerned, Canon says they are made of
lead-free glass. Size and weight reduction are largely due to
downsizing the image circle requirements. Flare reduction caused by
enhanced lens coatings, especially on the rear elements, AIUI.

Also, there appears to be a new USM version of the lens now available.
I'll go for that. I've got only one EF lens that is not USM and that's
the 50mm f1.4. By comparison, it's not only noisy but slow. Given the
20D advertises a shutter lag of 65ms, the USM lens is probably the way
to go.

Will D.

Tell me please Will... the 50 1.4 you speak of. Is this the lens which is
noisey? I just ordered a 50mm 1.4 USM lens. I hope you are talking about a
different model!!!

If you do some landscapes, a (as yet un confirmed) good quality lens from
Canon is the 10~22 "coke bottle" lens. The USM (f4.0) 17~40 is a big hit on
the cost of a kit version 20D. Financially speaking, I can see a lot of
value in a 18~55, 20D kit and an additional 10~22 lens. There is not much
wider without a fisheye and if it is as good as the other speciality lenses
from Canon, it will be good enough for most people. Me included.

AJ


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Old November 22nd 04, 03:03 AM
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"Gisle Hannemyr" wrote in message
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"Alien Jones" writes:

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The 18~55 kit lens which comes with a Digital Rebel and a 20D is not
glass but acrylic plastic. It has the distintion of being one of the
lightest zoom lenses Canon make. It is also a pretty good lens in
it's own right and I offer a few examples of it's resolution
capabilities,


... at 350 x 228 pixels, JPEG-compressed to hell.
I am not dissing your lens - but your "examples" are a bad joke.

If you don't want to post full size images for bandwith reasons,
why don't you - at least - post some crops from a full size frame? --
- gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
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I would have thought the pictures demonstrated many aspects of a lens's
usefulness, regardless of the size or compression of the pictures. The peg,
demonstrates crisp focus. The backlit beach scene that the lens has minimul
flair, the red geranium, that wide open at full aperture, in poor light,
the lens is still usable and the frangipani's, that soft focus is possible
when using manual focus even though it is not a soft focus lens. I just
included the other photo because I liked it!

Basically I'm saying that if you take the time to understand your gear, how
much it cost is no measure of how good it is. None of this has any impact on
the size of the picture I posted, just reinforces my words. Why do you want
20 megabyte files anyway? How stupid is it to expect me to post 60 meg of
images just so you can examine every pixel in all it's glory while 50 other
people steal the images to re-sell?

The principal problem here is that I provided commercial images some of
which I sell, to reinforce my belief that a lens often described as crappy,
is in fact a reasonable quality lens. There is no way in the world I am
prepared to post any images that may have value, to the Internet in a form
which can be pirated.

Live with it Gisle, or don't look at them. If you seek images you can
download at full resolution, I can sell you some. Otherwise just accept the
reality of the Internet that people often (not just sometimes) steal
photographs, put their own name to them and then sell them as if they were
their own work.

AJ


  #26  
Old November 22nd 04, 09:51 AM
Will D.
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On 2004-11-22, Alien Jones wrote:

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Tell me please Will... the 50 1.4 you speak of. Is this the lens which is
noisey? I just ordered a 50mm 1.4 USM lens. I hope you are talking about a
different model!!!


Heh, well, They call it a micro USM lens. That means it has the small
micromotor instead of the larger older micromotor. Most USM lenses use
the ring motor which is virtually silent and vibration free, not so the
micro USM. And it has a gritty movement, compared to the other ring
motors. At the time I got it, I was disappointed in these facts, but
checking around a bit revealed that they all did that. Maybe the newer
ones are smoother, I don't know.

That said, it is one hell of a great lens, possibly the very sharpest of
the Canon EF lenses, and it is sturdy, etc, etc. The small annoyance of
the AF movement is easily offset by the capabilities of the lens itself.

If you do some landscapes, a (as yet un confirmed) good quality lens from
Canon is the 10~22 "coke bottle" lens. The USM (f4.0) 17~40 is a big hit on


Note that I don't call it a "coke bottle" lens. The lens I was referring
to (had in mind) was the 28-85(?) zoom that comes with the film Rebels
as the kit lens. The wide angle zooms are altogether a different lens
in a different price range.

I don't do a lot of landscapes now, and never did landscape per se with
cassette film, only roll and sheet film cameras.

the cost of a kit version 20D. Financially speaking, I can see a lot of
value in a 18~55, 20D kit and an additional 10~22 lens. There is not much
wider without a fisheye and if it is as good as the other speciality lenses
from Canon, it will be good enough for most people. Me included.


These new lenses are evidently very fine performers, though there is
still some difference between zooms and primes, just nowhere near as
much as there used to be. I've no idea what sort of wide lenses I will
be looking at when I eventually go DSLR.

HTH

Will D.

 




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