B&H is sharing your data! Sharing your DATA!!!

Savageduck wrote:
On Dec 7, 2017, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 11:39:30 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:40:33 -0500,
wrote:

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buy gas twice in the same day. they love that one.

I've bought gas three times in one day and twice the next day - and
nobody blinked. They probably recognised that each purchase was
several hundred miles from the previous purchase.

I've been flagged for that, but I was also on the road.

Hell! Several times I have filled up two cars at two different pumps at the
same time with the same card, not so much as a peep from the bank. I have
also done the multiple fill-ups on the same and following day, also without
reaction from the bank.


Same here

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PeterN

On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:23:17 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On Dec 7, 2017, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 14:27:57 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On Dec 7, 2017, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:15:13 -0500,
wrote:

In , Bill W
wrote:


As someone who has had the same card compromised 4 times in the last
couple of years, I wish everyone would use it. It's tiresome updating
the info for the replacement cards when it's the same account after
all.

it's more tiresome dealing with a compromised card.

start using apple pay, and you'll only need to worry about inside leaks.

I'm sure it's the same with Android Pay,

close, but not quite. android pay is slightly less secure than apple
pay.

But more secure than handing it to the kid at the drive-through window
at Jack in the Box. I do have to give the CC companies some credit,
though: they have some pretty good algorithms for flagging sales. They
picked up on sales that seemed perfectly innocuous to even me, and
there have been no false positives at all, even for very large
charges.

with both, the merchant doesn't get your actual card number, so even if
their systems are hacked, your card won't be.

but far too few places use it
around here. It's ridiculous. I can't even threaten to take my
business elsewhere because elsewhere doesn't have it either.

around here, it's nearly everywhere, with restaurants being the big
exception (mostly a cultural issue, not a technical one). some places
say they don't support it, but they do.

Yep, big city living. You'd think Las Vegas would be a little further
along.

I believe that if you actually looked you would find that they are further
along than you thought. You have several Trader Joe’s in Las Vegas and
they
use Apple Pay. I just got home from doing my pre-weekend resupply shopping,
and one of the stops was our local Trader Joe’s where I paid $62 via Apple
Pay using my iPhone.

Sure, the city in general, but for whatever reason the places I
routinely go to don't have it, and lots of them don't even have chip
readers. It's crazy. In fact, both of the food stores I use had
Android Pay, and now they don't. That's why I can't just go elsewhere
- I'm not driving 10 miles for some bananas.

10 miles!

I liveat Lake Nacimiento, 13 miles from town (Paso Robles), and I have to
make that drive before my shopping options are made. If I want to shop at
Trader Joe’s I have to drive another five miles South to Templeton. On an
average shopping day I have a 40 mile round trip. If for some reason I have
to go down to San Luis Obispo another 30 miles each way is added to that 40
miles.

Yes - very different lifestyle. More of an urban thing here.

BTW: Trader Joe’s sells much more than bananas, and I see they have three
branches in Ls Vegas.

I don't need any of that fancy schmancy hipster stuff...

On 8 Dec 2017 01:26:53 GMT, peter
wrote:

Bill W wrote:
On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:15:13 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:


As someone who has had the same card compromised 4 times in the last
couple of years, I wish everyone would use it. It's tiresome updating
the info for the replacement cards when it's the same account after
all.

it's more tiresome dealing with a compromised card.

start using apple pay, and you'll only need to worry about inside leaks.

I'm sure it's the same with Android Pay,

close, but not quite. android pay is slightly less secure than apple
pay.

But more secure than handing it to the kid at the drive-through window
at Jack in the Box. I do have to give the CC companies some credit,
though: they have some pretty good algorithms for flagging sales. They
picked up on sales that seemed perfectly innocuous to even me, and
there have been no false positives at all, even for very large
charges.

with both, the merchant doesn't get your actual card number, so even if
their systems are hacked, your card won't be.

but far too few places use it
around here. It's ridiculous. I can't even threaten to take my
business elsewhere because elsewhere doesn't have it either.

around here, it's nearly everywhere, with restaurants being the big
exception (mostly a cultural issue, not a technical one). some places
say they don't support it, but they do.

Yep, big city living. You'd think Las Vegas would be a little further
along.


They’ve made some progress have some really sophisticated algorithms. I
purchased luxury items while traveling, and was never questioned. I was
called on my cell phone about a $2 gas purchase. That purchase was not
made by me, nor did I authorize it. For reasons not pertinent here, that
card was valid only for gas purchases in specific states. On another
occasion I was called late at night about a jewelry purchase in Hong Kong

Yep, they've been spot on with me every time, although there was one
large purchase that was questioned, but allowed. That one was years
ago, though, and I'm sure things are much improved.

On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:09:57 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On Dec 7, 2017, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 11:39:30 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:40:33 -0500,
wrote:

Snip

buy gas twice in the same day. they love that one.

I've bought gas three times in one day and twice the next day - and
nobody blinked. They probably recognised that each purchase was
several hundred miles from the previous purchase.

I've been flagged for that, but I was also on the road.

Hell! Several times I have filled up two cars at two different pumps at the
same time with the same card, not so much as a peep from the bank. I have
also done the multiple fill-ups on the same and following day, also without
reaction from the bank.

After years of using my card around Auckland (NZ) I flew to Geneva
(Switzerland) to visit my daughter. My bank got all twitchy when I
used my card to withdraw some cash in Geneva. They seem to be watching
for changes in the pattern of card use.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

They seem to be watching
for changes in the pattern of card use.

obviously

On 12/7/2017 3:21 PM, nospam wrote:

snip


start using apple pay, and you'll only need to worry about inside leaks.

This may work for you
https://www.prevention.com/health/prevent-bladder-leaks-impressa


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PeterN

On 12/7/2017 8:29 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , peter
wrote:

For reasons not pertinent here, that
card was valid only for gas purchases in specific states.

sounds like a fleet card.


Wrong again.

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PeterN

On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 22:45:05 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

They seem to be watching
for changes in the pattern of card use.

obviously

It's alright nospam. You aren't obliged to answer *every* post in a
thread in which you are engaged.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:09:57 -0800, Savageduck
wrote:

On Dec 7, 2017, Bill W wrote
(in ):

On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 11:39:30 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:40:33 -0500,
wrote:

Snip

buy gas twice in the same day. they love that one.

I've bought gas three times in one day and twice the next day - and
nobody blinked. They probably recognised that each purchase was
several hundred miles from the previous purchase.

I've been flagged for that, but I was also on the road.

Hell! Several times I have filled up two cars at two different pumps at the
same time with the same card, not so much as a peep from the bank. I have
also done the multiple fill-ups on the same and following day, also without
reaction from the bank.

After years of using my card around Auckland (NZ) I flew to Geneva
(Switzerland) to visit my daughter. My bank got all twitchy when I
used my card to withdraw some cash in Geneva. They seem to be watching
for changes in the pattern of card use.

That may be part of their algorithm.

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PeterN

On 12/07/2017 02:05 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 06:23:26 +0100, android wrote:

On 2017-12-07 05:03:53 +0000, PeterN said:

On 12/6/2017 1:53 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , peter
wrote:


If I order something from Amazon, I do not have to sign in, nor do I even
have to give them my credit card. What is strange about that is they are
using an old credit card that has expired. My new one has a different
security code, expiration date, and billing address

the bank pushed the updated information to amazon.


And violate banking laws?

You have probably waved them...

About as believable as ANYTHING else on The Net and especially Usenet.

I've used Amazon and other sales sites on the net for years,
and if my card is expired, they LET ME KNOW, and NO WAY in hell
does my bank give them my new card number, let alone anything else.

My card number DOESN'T even TELL them who my bank (Credit Union) is..


Actually, it might.
From Wikipedia: "The leading six digits of the card number is the
"issuer identification number (IIN)", sometimes referred to as the "bank
identification number (BIN)"."





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Ken Hart